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2006 Nov 12, 9:24am   24,987 views  174 comments

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Per Bruce's request:

Please discuss your views about building a house from scratch v. buying and remodeling. Please share first-hand experiences and second-hand knowledge about building dream homes from scratch. Tips, tirades and dire predictions welcomed. Discussions about kitchen counters and adobe v. steel and glass even more welcomed.

And yes, Peter P, discussions about bathroom layout are most welcomed.

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106   Brand165   2006 Nov 13, 3:03pm  

Best of luck convincing your wife of the inherent genius. :)

107   Randy H   2006 Nov 13, 3:06pm  

But I have to admit I was sure he would’ve been tempted by the opportunity to “turn” Randy H

The offer still stands. I would love nothing more than for someone to convince me that now is a good time to buy. Renting is a serious pain in the ass for me. Having a mostly disabled elder and a young child makes renting very suboptimal. I'm data driven, rational, and am willing to pay a pretty hefty premium to own, plus I've been a homeowner for over a decade, so I should be easy prey if CR has anything at all of substance.

C'mon CR. Here's your chance to get a foothold in South Marin. Just think of the commissions.

108   Bruce   2006 Nov 13, 5:58pm  

Since there have been a few links to container/prefab sites, I thought I should pass along one that may appeal to the minimalists among us:

http://www.rocioromero.com/LVSeries/LVL.htm

Not my cup 'o tea, but hard not to appreciate the clarity of design.

109   Michael Holliday   2006 Nov 13, 9:29pm  

This is a test...

110   Allah   2006 Nov 13, 11:00pm  

allah,

Praise be! If a “buyer” can’t afford the house or don’t plan to stay long, maybe they should, eh, rent instead.

astrid er, eh,

That's why I titled the link :

Sellers are helping buyers slice their wrists.

111   DinOR   2006 Nov 13, 11:02pm  

Brand,

I had seen some time back where a fellow had finished out two containers and had them shipped around the world where he set them up in various port cities. I think it's great that the art community has broken the ice but I've always wondered why we didn't use them for prisons.

Now I don't want to get into some huge debate about prisons. Let's assume this individual is where he belongs for a minute ok? This would solve so much of the overcrowding and could be set up in heart beat.

Disaster relief. Rather than put a huge strain on the building materials supply chain (as Katrina did) ship these babies down to the coast! Re-useable as well. Very common to see these on job sites for secure storage and also used as temporary shops. I've heard they can be had for $1,500-$1,800 delivered.

112   DinOR   2006 Nov 13, 11:05pm  

SFWoman,

What in Montreal DOES age well?

113   skibum   2006 Nov 13, 11:40pm  

The season is opening this week.

Don't I know it! I will be blogging much less rippin' pow a lot more in a few weeks!

114   DinOR   2006 Nov 13, 11:46pm  

SFWoman,

That would have been the same year the "Expo's" introduced MLB to Canadian fans. They are now the "DC Nationals" and their old stadium in Montreal is a real dump from what I hear. They refused to put ANY money into it.

115   astrid   2006 Nov 14, 1:40am  

allah,

Huh? I was agreeing with your original point and working out a way to address you.

116   DinOR   2006 Nov 14, 1:44am  

Totally OT but.......

Has anyone else noticed that for about the 3rd time in 4 days there have been main Street media articles about 60's "icons" in court or back in court over copyright infringements? Over the last week we've had to endure claims from Jimi Hendrix' estate, Procol Harem and Jimmy Buffet (a regular) and I just wondered if anyone was as tired of it as I was?

117   astrid   2006 Nov 14, 1:47am  

DinOR,

Stupid American copyright running time. 20-25 years from registration makes much more sense.

118   DinOR   2006 Nov 14, 1:52am  

astrid,

I'm hardly an expert it just is so depressing to have to "wade through" these p@ssing contests. I thought it was all about love and peace and dope man! You fight the urge to click on the link hoping against hope that there's some kind of interesting wrinkle there and...... nope. Just greed.

119   DinOR   2006 Nov 14, 1:54am  

Home Depot a real stinker this morning w/CEO Bernie saying he doesn't see any catalyst for improvement in 2007. Buckle up!

120   DinOR   2006 Nov 14, 3:21am  

King_Cobra,

Oh that's right. They're having the big lender's event in NY. The "We have another year of adjustment" line really floored me! With 2,500 more being laid off (MB's) I'd love to see some projections on what NAR's membership will look like after another year of........ adjustment?

Maybe instead of having a link to the "Boomer Death Clock" we could have a "simulated" realt-whore memberships count down?

121   DinOR   2006 Nov 14, 3:29am  

CB,

Thanks for bringing some clarity to the issue. I remember as a kid Expo ball caps were something of a collectors item. Definitely cool.

122   Allah   2006 Nov 14, 3:37am  

Real estate agent caught between the sheets

This is an old story, but it is new to me.

123   Allah   2006 Nov 14, 3:38am  

Sorry, the link.

124   DinOR   2006 Nov 14, 3:55am  

allah,

I'm in no way condoning the realt-whore's behavior but the daughter was 28 years old! I can see pissed off, I can see disgusted but shocked and upset? If she's 28 and still doesn't know where babies come from perhaps it's time she had?

125   sobs   2006 Nov 14, 4:06am  

Re the cottage in Chicago ...

I lived in Chicago from 1995-2000 around North & Wells. Much of the area was built post-fire in the 1870s. There was one "fire cottage" left just west of Wells, maybe about 1800 north. It had to be about 500 sq ft all in, on a standard lot of 20-25x100-125.

Whether you'd be allowed to build something that size these days is an open question.

P.S. Zillow shows the Chicago house I sold for $765k in 2000 peaked at about $1.5m a year ago. The zestimate now is under $1.1m. I hear from the neighbors that the fellow I sold to has been in Arizona a lot lately, diligently working to save a development project outside Phoenix. I can't help LMAO.

126   Allah   2006 Nov 14, 4:11am  

I’m in no way condoning the realt-whore’s behavior but the daughter was 28 years old! I can see pissed off, I can see disgusted but shocked and upset? If she’s 28 and still doesn’t know where babies come from perhaps it’s time she had?

Well, now she knows. :)

127   DinOR   2006 Nov 14, 5:02am  

SFWoman,

I believe I was referring to the latter of the two. Whatever would she think if she made that fateful wrong turn through the "fruit loop" In Balboa Park? God we used to love doing that. U.S Navy Shore Patrol van w/searchlight on "high beam". It looked like the scene in "Something about Mary" w/Ben Stiller. Sure. You were just going to the bathroom. Course ya' were.

128   DinOR   2006 Nov 14, 5:15am  

Punchbowl,

Oh...... you mean North AVENUE! That would be up by the Historical Society? Randy H lived up that way for several years. I'm from Cicero and hung out on the south side but the old man would take me up there on jobs from time to time. Nice area. At least it was then.

129   Randy H   2006 Nov 14, 6:52am  

Punchbowl,

W Fletcher @ Sheffield here. The first company I started had a nice loft office down Sheffield near Diversy. We were the first "high tech" company in that little park, and drew quite a few puzzled looks from the various lawyers and architects in the building. My wife and I almost bought a rehabbed craftsman west of there, closer to Southport before my wife unexpectedly go the job that brought us out west.

130   Different Sean   2006 Nov 14, 7:59am  

Something on stressed households in Sydney, quoted on my blog:

Suffering in silence: a city on the edge of insolvency
Linda Morris Religious Affairs Writer
November 13, 2006

ONE in three Sydney households is beset by financial worries and almost one in seven is teetering on the edge of insolvency, a church survey has found.

The study commissioned by the Wesley Mission warns financial stress is greatest in the south-west and outer west, but is also pervasive across all parts of the city, including its more affluent suburbs.

Families reported forgoing family activities, borrowing from relatives or friends, failing to pay bills on time or being unable to make minimum credit card payments.

Five per cent said they had had to pawn an item, 4 per cent said they had gone without meals and a similar number could not afford to heat their homes.

The survey of 400 people was carried out in August. Since then last week's interest rate rise - the third this year - has added $40 per month to average mortgage repayments.

131   HARM   2006 Nov 14, 7:59am  

@Muggy,

Dude... didn't you see the chart (from last thread)?

MEW 1960-2006

132   Different Sean   2006 Nov 14, 8:05am  

My nominal g/f is renovating her kitchen, the plumber charges $88/hr! These guys are like the new aristocracy. An MD friend of mine only gets $40/hr to do locum work, and has to pay her own 401(k) out of it! Six years of medical study and 4 years family practice study, and the plumber streaks ahead at 2:1 from doing a tech school course! And can't speak English, and no-one's life is in the balance...

133   HARM   2006 Nov 14, 8:05am  

Let's see... from roughly ZERO as recently as 1999 to $715 Billion (almost 3/4 of a TRILLION dollars) today.

So it's the "Goldilocks economy" and "ownership society" that have been driving job creation and consumer spending for the last several years? Got it. Where's that NAR bong? I think I need a hit right now...

134   astrid   2006 Nov 14, 8:06am  

HARM,

Make that negative-ownership society.

135   HARM   2006 Nov 14, 8:08am  

@DS,

We had a lively debate a couple threads back on whether or not MDs were underpaid for the schooling, lawsuit risk & debt load required vs. other professions. Put me down firmly in the "underpaid" camp.

136   skibum   2006 Nov 14, 8:12am  

We had a lively debate a couple threads back on whether or not MDs were underpaid for the schooling, lawsuit risk & debt load required vs. other professions. Put me down firmly in the “underpaid” camp.

Yeah, that was the debate where DS agreed with the side that MD's are overpaid and only care about making money. :)

137   Different Sean   2006 Nov 14, 8:13am  

I don't think that USNewswire/demos article is necessarily right in attributing borrowing from home equity to 'pay for basic needs due to declining salaries', that sounds a bit pious and pursuing an agenda to me. I think a lot of it has been discretionary spending on home renovations, new cars, etc. There is no question a lot of borrowing has been going on, as per the graph, but to imply that it's all to meet living expenses is drawing the long bow and being a bit ultra-left. Did they ask everyone in the country who has drawn against equity for their reasons? And the lender's ads haven't influenced anyone to go out and splurge on luxuries to look good to the neighbours? And those who draw down from home equity are often in their later years of salary earning with a home almost or entirely paid off, I doubt whether they were in financial distress prior to drawing down...then there's the question of reverse mortgages. Cost of living hasn't risen that much, and salaries haven't fallen that much.

138   HARM   2006 Nov 14, 8:17am  

that sounds a bit pious and pursuing an agenda to me.... to imply that it’s all to meet living expenses is drawing the long bow and being a bit ultra-left

Ok, this is getting weird now. First, DS implies MDs are underpaid, then he accuses a news article of having a leftist slant? Has someone hijacked Different Sean's screen name??

139   Glen   2006 Nov 14, 8:17am  

HARM,

Thanks for the chart.

Do youk, or anyone else, have a chart showing net MEW. That is, in spite of the proliferation of IO loans, I presume that most Americans continue to pay some principal down each year.

It would be interesting to subtract the amount of principal paid down from the MEW numbers to find out how much net equity Americans built, exclusive of market appreciation--I am wondering if this might actually be a negative number? That is, are Americans withdrawing more equity, in the aggregate, than they are accumulating through payments of principal?

140   Different Sean   2006 Nov 14, 8:22am  

Yeah, that was the debate where DS agreed with the side that MD’s are overpaid and only care about making money.

heh. To the best of my knowledge, Oz and UK doctors are paid, I dunno, maybe half of a US doctor's rate doing the equivalent specia1isation. I believe there is a certain amount of money and status chasing in becoming a doctor, although the reality on graduation may be different. I remember talking to the 'doctor's union (AMA) representative' on campus a while ago, who was breezily talking about making 'half a mill, or a mill' (so much for the role of unions), altho she will get a rude shock on graduation, unless willing to spend many years further specia1ising to make $150K-$200K at best. I think she was quoting US rates and doubling them in her febrile imagination... A recent report pointed out that increasing numbers of medicine graduates are chasing specia1isations for the money, and abandoning the idea of community general practice.

Have to get after those plumbers though, heh, I heard someone saying tradesmen are all making over $100K these days -- and they get quite a bit of interesting variety and challenge in their work without really being responsible for too much... certainly no-one's lives... and the plumber completely misread the plans for my nominal g/f's kitchen and botched it...

141   HARM   2006 Nov 14, 8:26am  

@Glen, no, but it shouldn't be too difficult to plot as long as you have relatively comprehensive mortgage data (which I don't at the moment). The "exclusive of market appreciation" part might be a bit tricky. A ton of people refinanced (I think we concluded a while back that virtually EVERYONE with an outstanding mortgage has refi-d within the last 5 years), and their "equity" at the time was based upon current appraisals. If that appraised value has fallen since refi time, "net equity" would be hard to precisely calculate.

142   Different Sean   2006 Nov 14, 8:32am  

HARM Says:
Ok, this is getting weird now. First, DS implies MDs are underpaid, then he accuses a news article of having a leftist slant? Has someone hijacked Different Sean’s screen name??

heh, no, maybe I'm in a right wing mood this morning. No, nothing's changed, I'm a realist in the centre left, and try to be evidence based, rather than conjecturing about whatever. Being a realist in the centre left in the US probably puts you somewhere on the lunatic left fringe tho, relatively... have to make the US phase-shift adjustment on every comment...

143   DinOR   2006 Nov 14, 8:33am  

Glen,

Interesting wrinkle. I have pondered how to calculate that but I'll be honest. It would be primarily just to prove how paltry that sum is. I've read mortgage studies that show even w/ a 30 yr. FRM it isn't until year 23 the home debtor reaches the 50/50 level in the amoritization of the loan.

Given that affordability is defined as refinancing at every turn once it's time to pay the piper......?

144   surfer-x   2006 Nov 14, 8:36am  

HARM, I'm getting really tired of your crap. This whole hate thing has really got to go. I'm sick of hearing you degrade the fine institutions of realtwhoring and loan sharking, of course you can borrow you're way to prosperity. Why the hate HARM, why the hate? ;)

145   surfer-x   2006 Nov 14, 8:36am  

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