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I believe that it was a combination of factors, but it’s a casual observation herewith.

The building was made of concrete slabs and columns to be heavy and resist hurricanes.
It was built on weak ground and low enough for seawater to invade it.

I remember a lighthouse in Baja California Sur made entirely of concrete and rebar, which was crumbling because the rebar rusting expanded, the salt air/fog slowly ruined it.

There was evidently seawater in the Miami building often.

The building was like a house of cards but the cards were concrete with rusty rebar inside.

It’s also likely that the engineering inspection was either poor, or corrupted by bribes.

A few years ago a new pedestrian bridge collapsed and killed people in Miami for example.

I've heard it was partially over a sinkhole, and that a year before an estimate was produced that it would cost $9 million to repair the structure.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

The recent multiyear almost perfectly divided Elections in Israel pretty much blow the idea out of the water, as does Hagannah vs. Irgun.

You don't understand quite what I'm saying.

I'm saying that Jews were purposely targeted in WWII to produce this outcome, that there's Israel.

If Hitler just said "Jewish people, you WILL leave this nation or die" - there wouldn't have been much of a problem. They did have the Madagascar plan after all. People use Israel as a SHIELD, it's essentially a client state of the US, or the US is a client state of Israel - it doesn't matter who controls who. They are controlled by the same people above nominally elected politicians.

Israel has a new PM - NOTHING will change.

richwicks says

If Hitler just said "Jewish people, you WILL leave this nation or die" - there wouldn't have been much of a problem.

Yep, That's fine with me. I'm a fan of ethnic cleansing of minorities - not including genocide - by an ethno-nation state. Pushing Poles from Ukraine, Germans from Sudentenland, etc. after WW2 was a huge inoculation against revanchist wars. As people are bored of hearing, the 3 major areas of internal European violence since WW2 were the Basques, Ulster, and Yugoslavia - three regions where the victorious powers did NOT forcibly physically separate populations.

The Madagascar plan was infeasible due to Geopolitical conditions, and since the Nazis were planning on exterminating most of the Slavs and enslaving the rest, they said "Ah hell, we'll do a test run on the smaller number of Jews". The Lebensraum, confirmed in Generalplan Ost and discussed in Mein Kampf and in countless Nazi Speeches, was the Nazi's primary goal of WW2. It's forgotten because of the concentration to the exclusion of everything except Holocaust (and the various Battles). Tragically forgotten is the millions of Poles, Russians, Ukrainians executed or worked to death by the Nazis. Whole Czech villages wiped out by the SS.

Today, Germany has all of Continental Europe for an neo-colonialist empire. Germany went into big debt in the 90s as they had to both combine with East Germany, while buying up to shut down all the lower cost plants in Eastern Europe that could be lower end product competitors before they joined the EU. Germany writes EU laws to favor expensive, complex German goods at the expense of imports or lower cost, less feature items from the South and East. Hungary passed a land ownership bill a few years back because a ever larger chunks of Hungarian farms were going into German hands. Merkle on behalf of Deutschebank ground the Greeks into multigen debt because German lenders lent foolishly.

German lending laws are brutal: Basically, the lender is never wrong. Germans who find themselves in debt, even if no fault of their own, must account for every Euro. That's why many commit suicide; they can't even buy a coffee without a judge demanding that they not buy anything over bare existence until the Debt is Paid.

People forget about the Fuggers, Hanseatic League... Medicis. That's because those orgs served the Universal Monarchy/One Europe Ideal.

Liberty, the Nation State, and Democracy go hand in hand. Centralization and Globalism always end up in tyranny and destruction, even if they make things "Better" over a generation or 3.

richwicks says

it would cost $9 million to repair the structure.

It was going to cost 2 billion to retrofit the asbestos laden WTC.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Germany writes EU laws to favor expensive, complex German goods at the expense of imports or lower cost, less feature items from the South and East.

This fits with my observation as a student in Germany that low quality was not an option. Only expensive high-quality German goods were offered for sale. This was a big problem on a limited student budget.

America, fortunately for the poor, has a lot of cheap shit from China available in stores.

Unfortunately for former manufacturing workers who are now poor, that cheap shit from China cost them their jobs.

Patrick says

This fits with my observation as a student in Germany that low quality was not an option. Only expensive high-quality German goods were offered for sale. This was a big problem on a limited student budget.

One of the things that fueled a bit of Brexit was that Brits noticed, not just vacationers but many who had lived in Germany for years, that there was almost no British stuff - not Yorkshire Tea or Marmite or Cadbury's - anywhere in Germany. But British stores all the way down to Tesco's were packed with German food items. My friend who lived in Berlin in the 2000s, told me stores that carried 'foreign goods', the Germans almost never carried British icons Vegemite/Marmite or Yorkshire Tea, something most Brits miss and want the most abroad, they only had a German Version of it.

This was also true in South America - except for Soda (bottled locally anyway), Mars/Hersheys, and Wine, anything foreign - both Pacific and Atlantic coast - would be wholly or mostly German imported items. Not just pretzels, but things like Coffee Brands, Chocolates, Jams, etc. There were more US imports in the Korean Stores anywhere else. It used to piss me off that either the US doesn't push it's own goods.

It's not just high end products, but bulky food items.

https://rumble.com/vj59dh-surfside-building-collapse-observations-from-an-engineer.html

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/miami-beach/article252421658.html#storylink=bignews_main

Onvacation says

richwicks says

it would cost $9 million to repair the structure.

It was going to cost 2 billion to retrofit the asbestos laden WTC.

I'm quite skeptical that the official story about what happened on 9/11 is actually what happened on 9/11.

The collapse of WTC 7 doesn't make any sense, the NIST finite element simulation is WAY off - there's a finite element simulation of WTC 7 from the University @ Fairbanks Alaska that DOES (fairly) accurately duplicate the collapse but they could only do it by removing support columns (their model is available - 380 GB, but the model from NIST is NOT available) and it makes little sense to me that a plane could be flown into the Pentagon 30 minutes after it was quite clear there had been a terrorist attack since the 2nd tower was hit. The Pentagon is the HQ of the Department of Defense, the airspace above it is the most secure airspace in the world.

Also Larry Silverstein sure was lucky that day.. He made a ton of money out of the terrorist attack, lucky him.

Patrick says

I doubt it. The highest percentage gays in the US is San Francisco, and that's 7%.

Not sure about Israel per se, but Tel Aviv specifically, has been touted as the gayest city on earth, saying 1 in 4 approximately is gay

If that is true then it could be 8.2% male and 4.8% female

https://www.flightcentre.com.au/travel-news/travel-tips/5-of-the-worlds-most-gay-friendly-cities

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle/travel/2016/03/17/welcome-tel-aviv-gayest-city-earth/y9V15VazXhtSjXVSo9gT9K/story.html%3foutputType=amp

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

, the Germans almost never carried British icons Vegemite/Marmite or Yorkshire Tea, something most Brits miss and want the most abroad, they only had a German Version of

Havent been to Germany per se, but found it difficult to find any US publications at bookstores in the Frankfurt am Main airport

richwicks says

The collapse of WTC 7 doesn't make any sense

So all buildings are expected to withstand, two 1,000,000 ton buildings collapsing, and not only hold up to the bombardment of the debris, but the foundation being roiled in the process?

Had the Twin Towers been a real demolition, because it's life was up, and it was a demo project. Two thirds of the building would have been chopped up and dismantled and lowered by crane. By time they used explosives, it would have been well contained, and a lot lighter.
It wasn't just WTC 7 that was destroyed that day, that whole Plaza was destroyed.
The building was beat to shit in the collapse.



and just look at this flimsy pile of rubble, probably cable suspension slabs like in the Miami collapse. It seems in the late 70's there was a lot of cost cutting going on, during the Oil embargo and hyper inflation of the Carter years. I've been in South Florida now since 1985, and all of the buildings I see go up over 10 floors, all have poured reinforced slabs, and much beefier exterior.

More images before it fell

I don't know what to believe, but a guy in Oklahoma destroyed half a building with fertilizer in the back of a small box truck. I'd think 737 sized planes hitting a building basically full of Jet-A coming from Boston, and massive buildings collapsing, is going to cause collateral damage.

That said, I still question if it was an inside job of some sorts. I don't believe it was demolished, but I'll listen to theories with an open mind at least. The material from the two towers didn't just sink below the earth. I haven't researched it much, but given the land was basically at sea level, the collapse likely caused a local earthquake as well for buildings not equipped for it.

There are too many layers to it really. Take a pole, stick it in the ground, put a beer on top and drop a brick next to it but not hit the pole. There's a good chance the bottle with fall. In this scenario it wasn't bottle, it was a salt block the hit the ground next to neighboring buildings.

Pentagon is still weird I'll admit. How does the world super power not have a camera on its major defensive think tank building? There's been consumer grade security cameras since the 80's at least (expensive/low quality).

I also studied for a year in Innsbruck, and the American students there quickly figured out that a $10 train ticket would get them over the border to Bolzano in Italy.

So we could go shopping there for certain things. I think clothing was far cheaper there, and you could just put it on and not have to declare anything.

I think Ugene is going to cut so much away with that axe, that he's going to go down when the whole shit heap collapses.


I think that's the only thing preventing all of the White Patriot males from being White Nationalist Terrorists with blind White Rage, indiscriminately shooting at Blue looking people out in the streets. We all universally understand, the Liberals will all collapse under their own hubris like a cheap beach condo.
Why go to war with people, who are at war with themselves and God?

Tenpoundbass says

It wasn't just WTC 7 that was destroyed that day, that whole Plaza was destroyed.
The building was beat to shit in the collapse.

NORTH TOWER EXPLODING

The cognitive dissonance of our government being so evil that they could be involved with this has caused some people to deny obvious evidence.

Happens all the time.

Tenpoundbass says

According to NIST's official report the damage to the corner of WTC7 did not contribute to it's collapse.

The official story say's that office fires caused a column to weaken causing the cascading failure of every column and beam in the building.

Tenpoundbass says

I think Ugene is going to cut so much away with that axe, that he's going to go down when the whole shit heap collapses.


I think that's the only thing preventing all of the White Patriot males from being White Nationalist Terrorists with blind White Rage, indiscriminately shooting at Blue looking people out in the streets. We all universally understand, the Liberals will all collapse under their own hubris like a cheap beach condo.
Why go to war with people, who are at war with themselves and God?

Problem is they will drag us all with them and weaken our count for our enemies.

I don't know if this has been addressed or not, why wasn't there a fund to deal with long-term maintenance issues? From the first day, part of the monthly HOA fees should be invested to cover major repairs in the future.

Demasiado Croquetas de Vickys

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Demasiado Croquetas de Vickys

What the devil is a Vicky's croquette?

MAGA says

I don't know if this has been addressed or not, why wasn't there a fund to deal with long-term maintenance issues? From the first day, part of the monthly HOA fees should be invested to cover major repairs in the future.

Maybe crooked HOA was siphoning funds.

I just read that ALL owners of these units were about to be soon hit with a $100,000 assessment fee per unit for overdue repairs.....did that make some VERY angry at the HOA? A group of owners had just filed a lawsuit against the HOA because of this. Was this a revenge demolition?? This investigation count will even top Jack Web's Dragnet show counts...just the facts HOA...just the facts!

HeadSet says

What the devil is a Vicky's croquette?

https://vickybakery.com/

Clambo and TPB know.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

HeadSet says

What the devil is a Vicky's croquette?

https://vickybakery.com/

Clambo and TPB know.

Got it now. The "too many Vicky's croquettes" bit implied that overweight eaters exceeded the tensile strength of the condo building slabs.

NoYes says

I just read that ALL owners of these units were about to be soon hit with a $100,000 assessment fee per unit for overdue repairs

Highest I've ever seen was $45k per unit when I worked in the industry. $100k is fucking insane. Clearly the HOA was fucked up.

I'd never live in a high rise situation. I'd rather do a 2-4 story mid-rise building if I had to. If you have to do windows, you just get a lift and put new windows in. Not that easy above 4-5 stories on a building. So things like windows and exterior maintenance get deferred. Then everything starts to come to a head and you have to charge $100k in special assessments. Not saying it was windows, it's just hard to hit homeowners with 3 big things at once, as that's usually how it goes as parts hit their life expectancy.

I think we're going to be seeing more of this in the coming years. The engineering is solid, but long term we really don't know what the outcome will be. We're really in the infancy of building tall buildings if you think about it. Fire prevention and safety is generally the first concern. Everyone just assumes the structure itself is fine.

WookieMan says

We're really in the infancy of building tall buildings if you think about it.

The beautiful Woolworth building is 108 years old, the Empire State is 90. When Margaret Truman's piano started falling through the floor of the White House in 1949, it was said that the floor was so rotten that it had only remained in place out of habit. It was determined the whole structure was just a shell that could fall at any minute. The Trumans were relocated across the street and the entire structure gutted and rebuilt between 1950 and 1952 and that was 70 years ago. No telling how many other ancient structures are borderline. The downside of being a young country. We tear stuff down when it's 50 years old, people in Europe are living and working in structures 800 or more years old that weren't built with timing devices to self-destruct in 75 years.

Onvacation says

According to NIST's official report the damage to the corner of WTC7 did not contribute to it's collapse.

The official story say's that office fires caused a column to weaken causing the cascading failure of every column and beam in the building.

After reviewing the video Booger posted, I'm convinced that tension suspension slabs are a menace. When those cables break lose the floor is nothing more than a Saltine cracker with tons of weight on it. That explains everything that happened on 9-11, the cables are much thinner, and less resistant to heat, than rebar. And after enough of the cables snapped in those 9-11 buildings, the whole building easily took a shit. I think the NIST was in cover up mode about the tension cables, so they didn't mention it.
There's a follow up video by the guy that Booger posted, where he's backpedaling on most of what he said about it. Almost as if he was threatened he will never work in this town again.

If people knew those building built in the 70's were cheap pieces of shit, that could collapse at any minute from under their feet. It would cause massive problems in those high-rise communities, and major cities through out America.

Poured Slab construction does not fall apart in tiny bits and pieces like those tension slabs did. You see it in earthquake areas around the world. That is why people are found alive under debris even after a week or more. When those buildings with slabs come down around the world after Earthquakes. Even if the building overall was shitty construction, the floors at least hold together, so if they fall in a way to create crawl space between the layers. That can not happen, and does not happen with tension wire construction. If people figured this out, nobody would want to step foot in them, and there would be a massive lawsuit throughout America that would roil the RE industry.
Just think of all of those cities and towns, that would be considering demolishing half their skyline. Which is EXACTLY what I think should happen.

MAGA says

From the first day, part of the monthly HOA fees should be invested to cover major repairs in the future.

Condo fees are just there to cover all of the salaries of the people that tell you how to live in your own house. When something actually has to be done, there's always an assessment.

Tenpoundbass says

That explains everything that happened on 9-11, the cables are much thinner, and less resistant to heat, than rebar. And after enough of the cables snapped in those 9-11 buildings, the whole building easily took a shit. I think the NIST was in cover up mode about the tension cables, so they didn't mention it.

Tension cables?

WTC7 blueprints are available. WTC7 supposedly went down because office fires caused beams to weaken. What does that have to do with "tension cables"?

Onvacation says

WTC7 blueprints are available. WTC7 supposedly went down because office fires caused beams to weaken.

That's a good place to leave it. How do you pick up millions of baseball size chunks of concrete, and thousands of lose wire, and try to determine


Booger says

It's precast concrete slabs held together with cables, I think. This guy explains it better than I can:
https://youtu.be/WJoTw4orM58

Tenpoundbass says

That's a good place to leave it.

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They didn't deserve to die.
But everyone knows a tall residential building on a beach in S. Florida is going to be an HOA nightmare.
I once looked at a place on Jupiter Island; the HOA was $1300/month.

Thank You Booger and Engineer Josh Porter. EXCELLENT information. Great link to save. (247,000 views to date)

Haha - you might have been in danger 20 years ago.

Today, it doesn't matter what kind of evidence you have on HRC - the DOJ will simply decline to prosecute.

The lady fucking destroyed evidence by smashing phones, and wiping her computer while she was under subpoena. THAT is a felony. She ran for prezdident anyhow.

Right, no condos for me, and no shared walls. I will require the ability to walk all the way around any property I buy.