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Donald says

California man who mocked vaccines on social media dies of COVID-19

https://nypost.com/2021/07/25/california-man-who-mocked-vaccines-dies-of-covid-19/

COVID-19: 1

Anti Vaxxers: 0

I've always found it a bit dubious that people who make a big spectacle about discounting the risk from covid, or the need for vaccination always seem to eat their word in an equally public spectacle. Smacks of theatrics no?

Based on my 10+ years of experience practicing prevention, I've always felt like something was wrong with the logic requiring vaccines, but never really firmed this up until Covid. Never read about Bechamp, the trends of vaccines surfacing for diseases already on the decline, the fact that vaccines are NEVER EVER studied with a real control, in contrast to every other drug approved by the FDA. So while common sense and experience made me a "suspicious-vaxxer", it took Covid to make me a full fledged anti-vaxxer.

NuttBoxer says

the trends of vaccines surfacing for diseases already on the decline

TB is the perfect example of this.

Donald says

You know, all you guys are going to be vaccinated by the end of the year so it is pointless to keep resisting. Vaccine mandates are here.

No vaccine = no job

No vaccine = no travel

I'm permanent remote. Have you looked into the typical patnetters profile, seems like you have not.

After taking two vacations this year, decided I'd rather drive for the next one. Plane travel, especially in the US, isn't particularly relaxing, and I want a vacation where I enjoy every day I'm off, not just the no-travel days.

Donald says

George Washington mandated that Colonial troops be vaccinated for Smallpox. So was Washington a tryant?

Service was 100% voluntary. And back then, you didn't make a living by soldiering.

NuttBoxer says

Plane travel, especially in the US, isn't particularly relaxing

Understatement of the year.

Donald says

Well, if you don't get vaccinated I hope you are self employed...

I haven't done a single thing the government has told me to the entire time(over a year), during covid. Hardly ever wore a mask, never social distanced, did not OCD on hand washing, NEVER use hand sanitizer(poisonous), and traveled across state and country lines frequently, gathering with friends and family each time.

So according to the government, and I'd guess you, I should be dead already. Or my wife or children should be(at least one of us). As far as infecting others, I'm not responsible for someone else's poor health choices. I don't have any business telling them how to live, even if what they choose is killing them. The exception is close friends and family, if I know you, I'll try to persuade you to be healthy.

Oh yeah, and we only know three people personally who have contracted covid. None were in stellar health, and one of them didn't contract it until AFTER gettting vaccinated. All survived just fine, all said it was nothing more than a common cold/flu experience.

Donald says

You know, all you guys are going to be vaccinated by the end of the year so it is pointless to keep resisting. Vaccine mandates are here.

No vaccine = no job

No vaccine = no travel

Are you pro-Covid-vaccine?

Donald says

You know, all you guys are going to be vaccinated by the end of the year so it is pointless to keep resisting. Vaccine mandates are here.

No vaccine = no job

No vaccine = no travel

Why?

Donald says

George Washington mandated that Colonial troops be vaccinated for Smallpox. So was Washington a tryant?

That's quite a trick since the first vaccine was Dryvax and it was created in the late 19th century, that's the later 1800s.

That's about 100 years after the War of Independence.

I suspect you're lying.

In 1776 Edward Jenner, a British doctor, was the first to demonstrate that cowpox would confer immunity to small pox. Here, have a read:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox_vaccine

So, when you make shit up, remember, we all have access to the Internet. Please stop making people go through the effort of calling out lies. There's no point in lying other than to undermine your future credibility.

Eric Holder says

NuttBoxer says

Plane travel, especially in the US, isn't particularly relaxing

Understatement of the year.

It was great last year. Ghost town. Everyone was too afraid to fly. Went to St. John and literally had the island and beaches to ourselves. Will likely never get to experience that again in my lifetime.

Air travel is also what you make of it. As a tall guy the seats suck. I don't pay for it though so I really don't care. Solo travel I'll do first class. Family is free flights. I would just suggest not flying if you cannot afford first class or it's not free. Paying passengers and Chase pay for my flights. It's great. I can deal with it coming out of Chicago for at max a 3-4 hour flight.

WookieMan says

Eric Holder says

NuttBoxer says

Plane travel, especially in the US, isn't particularly relaxing

Understatement of the year.

It was great last year. Ghost town. Everyone was too afraid to fly. Went to St. John and literally had the island and beaches to ourselves. Will likely never get to experience that again in my lifetime.

Air travel is also what you make of it. As a tall guy the seats suck. I don't pay for it though so I really don't care. Solo travel I'll do first class. Family is free flights. I would just suggest not flying if you cannot afford first class or it's not free. Paying passengers and Chase pay for my flights. It's great. I can deal with it coming out of Chicago for at max a 3-4 hour flight.

Yeah but it's changing now that the vaxxholes are all piling on and the mask mandate and shit. Last year there were so few people traveling nobody cared if you had the mask on or off.

WookieMan says

It was great last year.

It's shit now.

What I don't understand is why this flu isn't finally burning itself out like the 1918 flu did with no vaccinations. It seems like the vaccinations are just prolonging it and making variations of itself. My mother was the youngest of seven siblings, 16 in 1918, living on a farm outside Big Spring, TX. I wish I had asked her if they knew anyone who died or even got sick from the flu, but I never thought about it before she died at 94. I've heard that before the epidemic was over, probably 23% of the population was positive for the virus. I know none of her family died of it, and when I think back I don't recall her ever having the flu or even a cold. She developed high blood pressure in her 70's, or at least it was discovered then. She also had a bout with the shingles on her shoulder and neck when she was 84, but it finally calmed down and she was able to control the neuralgia with an over the counter ointment called Sports Cream.

NDrLoR says

My mother was the youngest of seven siblings, 16 in 1918, living on a farm outside Big Spring, TX. I wish I had asked her if they knew anyone who died or even got sick from the flu,

My grandparents were young adults during the 1917 influenza. According to them, "everybody knew somebody that died of it". I used to talk to my elders about the great depression as well. I kept hearing "If only I wasn't in debt, it would have been fine".

Donald says

https://www.history.com/news/smallpox-george-washington-revolutionary-war

Next time use the REAL internet and not the Q Anon one.

Your OP suggests that everyone must be forced, that was not what Washington did. No one had to fight, and no one had a career as a solider. So no, Washington was not a tyrant because he didn't force anyone, and he didn't deny anyone a right to work. But that is what you're advocating, so I guess you are a tyrant, hmm...

It looks like that was variolation, not vaccination, and has a 5%-10% fatality rate. Crude

Donald says

I guess you must have a different internet than I do:

https://www.history.com/news/smallpox-george-washington-revolutionary-war

Next time use the REAL internet and not the Q Anon one.

The "history" channel is your source?

I've developed a pretty simple rule of thumb. If it's on the Internet, it's got a good possibility of being false. If it's on television, it's false.

This history channel has a long record of producing bullshit. I mean:

https://www.history.com/shows/ancient-aliens

Donald says

it is pointless to keep resisting

The harder they push the more resistant many of us get.
Can't travel? I'll hitchhike before I acquiesce to a "vaccine passport".

Donald says

Conscription in Revolutionary Virginia:

https://www.jstor.org/stable/4248727

You've linked to the first page of a paid book, so unfortunately I'm unable to verify your source. When I read 1776 by McCullough, I remember distinctly that the colonies had a lot of trouble keeping an standing army year round due to people only staying until harvest, or some states not participating at all, or until later. Doesn't fit your narrative for covid today. Also:
"During the American Revolutionary War, the states sometimes drafted men for militia duty or to fill state Continental Army units, but the central government did not have the authority to conscript except for purposes of naval impressment."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_the_United_States

And the United States relied on France's navy during the Revolution...

Donald says

richwicks says

Donald says

I guess you must have a different internet than I do:

https://www.history.com/news/smallpox-george-washington-revolutionary-war

Next time use the REAL internet and not the Q Anon one.

The "history" channel is your source?

I've developed a pretty simple rule of thumb. If it's on the Internet, it's got a good possibility of being false. If it's on television, it's false.

This history channel has a long record of producing bullshit. I mean:

https://www.history.com/shows/ancient-aliens

OK, so what about the official website of Washington's ...

First think I did was do a search for "vacc" on the page. It doesn't appear. So then I read it:

"While Washington believed wholeheartedly in the efficacy of inoculation, in May of 1776 he ordered that no one in his army be inoculated; violations of this order would result in severe punishment."

....

"Washington eventually instituted a system where new recruits would be inoculated with smallpox immediately upon enlistment. As a result soldiers would contract the milder form of the disease at the same time that they were being outfitted with uniforms and weapons. Soldiers would consequently be completely healed, inoculated, and supplied by the time they left to join the army."

He didn't vaccinate them. He infected them with variolation which has a 0.5-2% mortality rate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox#Prevention

He infected new recruits. It was a condition of joining.

Didn't think I'd read it, did you? You'll find, I'll readily admit I'm wrong, when I'm shown to be. No point in insisting you're right, when clearly you're not.

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Donald says

Your going to lose. We will see a long line of anti vaxxers rushing to get their shots when the IRS starts withholding tax refunds for failing to provide proof of vaccination. Once the IRS is put in charge of enforcing vaccine mandates, it is game over. The IRS was already in charge of the individual mandate in ObamaCare so this is not a crazy idea.

Interesting idea. But even at the federal level there are really aren't any mandates for covid shot. This includes the White House, and the CDC, where only about 50% of employees have been vaccinated. Maybe you should be talking to them about what's going to happen if they don't get on the ball.

Anyone who gives money to the IRS interest free for a whole year is a moron. I always try to set it up so I owe a little. And they never officially enforced the healthcare act. I know because I never have health insurance, and never paid a penalty...

Donald says

We will see a long line of anti vaxxers rushing to get their shots when the IRS starts withholding tax refunds for failing to provide proof of vaccination

lol. No. But with time there may an actual, real vaccine out based on dead or weekend actual cv (if it exists). Then people may reconsider. Until then keep dreaming

Donald says

Yes, infection was a primitive form of vaccination back then. Does not prove that I am wrong

Again, new voluntary recruits were required to do this. If they were unwilling to do this, they couldn't join. People already in the military prior were not required to do anything.

There was no vaccine.

And Washington sent a bunch of people previously infected to quarantine Boston. He was pretty smart. It's thought his bout with smallpox is what rendered him sterile. His adopted daughter died in her teens, his adopted son died in the War of Independence. His wife had two children from a previous marriage, she was a widower.

TC45 says

Antivaxers best start storing their blood in case they need a blood transfusion!

I forget where, but saw some blood bank won't take donations from people with the covid shot. I wonder why..?

NuttBoxer says

TC45 says

Antivaxers best start storing their blood in case they need a blood transfusion!

I forget where, but saw some blood bank won't take donations from people with the covid shot. I wonder why..?

Yep, way too risky. The lawsuits will be massive, against employers and the government. Nobody wants a shot of ADE from the blood bank

Donald says

Covid shots are already mandatory for VA employes

That's the agency I was thinking of. Only one with a covid mandate. And the public sector is massive. I'd wager there's more federal employees without the covid shot than private sector, so pattnetters are not the worst offenders.

Donald says

The IRS was already in charge of the individual mandate in ObamaCare so this is not a crazy idea.

How's that "individual mandate" doing now?

Donald says

Biden to mandate jabs for all federal employees tomorrow


https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/27/politics/vaccine-mandate-for-federal-employees-under-consideration/index.html

Clot shots are already mandatory for VA employes

OK, so for the purposes of employment, I identify as vaccinated

Donald says

Once the IRS is put in charge of enforcing vaccine mandates

That is when I anticipate the shootin' to start, Amigo.

Donald says

Biden to mandate the jab for all federal employees tomorrow


https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/27/politics/vaccine-mandate-for-federal-employees-under-consideration/index.html

Clot shots are already mandatory for VA employes

Yet still another anti-choice thing from the Democrats.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7iBoIU6ppE&t=22s

LOL! Used to be trains to death camps. Now it's prizes, lotteries, and singing, dancing doctors. At least you get to be sick and die at home (if you don't drop at the vaccination center).

Doctors - No time given to practice preventative medicine
Teachers - Syllabus designed by politicians/bureaucrats
Police - Too violent in the US

gabbar says

Doctors - No time given to practice preventative medicine
Teachers - Syllabus designed by politicians/bureaucrats
Police - Too violent in the US

All report to elite and anybody who dares to challenge criminal government control is a felon.

I didn't see whole lot of yearning for "red sickle shaped vaccine" on the forum.

govt subsidized solar panels on every property?

Or maybe Biden will start a shooting war with China to distract us from his and Fauci's mass murder.

I wonder how the Big Pharma kickback system works exactly.

Do all the countries that mandate the jab get to share in the spoils from harming their own citizens?

I'm hoping that at least one major country publicly bans the jab for being so dangerous and ineffective. I'd guess Sweden will do it first.

Patrick says

Or maybe Biden will start a shooting war with China to distract us from his and Fauci's mass murder.

I've been waiting for something like this. I figure as soon as some of the sweeter details about the wuflu start to come out, some catastrophe will overtake the news cycle
- war w/ china over hong kong
- or japan needs to intervene to save hong kong, and we need to save japan
- or north korean nukes etc..

Xi will likely just call Xoe on his celly, and they will coordinate a cover up / drown out.