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Without seeing the demographics of the population in the hospital and knowing anything about the comorbidities, I have to discount it.

I'd have to know what constitutes "more patients".

There's several hospitals in my area, and I've walked past, there doesn't seem to be an immediate urgency over the last year. My parents live in a retirement community, where the only person they know that got (pretty) sick last year was Kenny - for 3 days, after he took his shot.

I understand the difference between anecdotal evidence, and quantitative evidence but given that we are still 350+ days into a 14 day "flatten the curve" scenario in which I don't know a single person PERSONALLY that has gotten sick much less died, I am forced to trust my observation over a media which I know with absolute certainly lies to me, constantly.

I also have friends that I know tell me "white lies" to try to get me to do what they think is in my best interest. These are people that think CNN and/or Fox news is actually news, and not just straight up propaganda.

Even if we have a violently deadly disease out there, I'm not going to submit at this point. Government's do not lie to their population to protect them, and I have never seen this government do anything in favor of the teaming masses. I see Gavin Newsom having dinner parties when the rest of the state in lockdown and have watched him in disgust as he ordered nursing home patients to take in sars-cov2-19 positive patients. You shouldn't be a nursing home if you have a COLD.

I find this entire thing to be hysteria and insanity. Germany went insane for a period of time, and we're just doing it again - mass media can drive people insane. I just ignore it.

My honest opinion is that the “vaccine” does improve your chances of avoiding hospitalization or death, but at the risk of injecting something experimental with zero long term safety data that is already known to be relatively dangerous. It then becomes a risk analysis for your individual situation:
- are you obese?
- do you have underlying conditions?
- are you over 65?
- have you had SARS before?

I’ve been previously infected and don’t meet any of the other factors, so it makes no sense for me to be a guinea pig.

A HUGE factor most people forget is the power of other safe, proven drugs and supplements that would easily nullify the need for this “vaccine” in the first place.

clambo says

I asked what percentage of the sick had not been vaccinated, and he said about 95%.

This is directly opposite of the evidence from Houston, Israel, and Australia:

https://archive.ph/NosYr

https://twitter.com/RanIsraeli/status/1423322271503028228#m


original link


I see a huge financial and political motive to fudge hospital records in the direction of claiming that severe patients refused to submit to the injection.

I see no motive to fudge hospital records in the other direction, so this makes tho other direction more credible, imho.

Politics out of medicine.
All data should be made public live.
HIPPA only protects names and identity, which nobody needs.

The guy has no axe to grind, he had no interest in convincing me, he has no financial interest in the things he told me.

The subject was that the hospital was filling up as was the ICU.

The guy never said anything about the benefits of the vaccine, he didn’t ask me if I got the shot, he simply answered my question about the vaccinated among the patients.

He didn’t say he wishes people got the shot, he is almost non political and definitely was not preaching.

Among the people who are sick in his hospital, the worst weren’t vaccinated.

I hate to play devil's advocate, and people are free to get vaccinated after weighing the informations for themselves, but they guy's pat 95 percent statement is hard to understand. Did he actually go through a large number of patient charts and determine reliably that 95 percent were not vaccinated of the people with these extreme conditions? That figure just doesn't make sense, and I think he was just blowing air without actually knowing.

One of the problems with this statement is that if the vast majority wants to get vaccinated, those who don't usually have severe pre-existing conditions precluding them from getting the vaccine. They are then also most likely to die from covid. If they want to convince people they need to release good empirical data comparing otherwise very similar groups of vaccinated/unvaccinated hospitalized patients. We know for kids the chance of dying from the vaccine is higher, why don't they release data by age group and preexisting conditions instead of making unverifiable blanket statements.

Ceffer says

I hate to play devil's advocate, and people are free to get vaccinated after weighing the informations for themselves, but they guy's pat 95 percent statement is hard to understand. Did he actually go through a large number of patient charts and determine reliably that 95 percent were not vaccinated of the people with these extreme conditions? That figure just doesn't make sense, and I think he was just blowing air without actually knowing.

I agree I don't think you can male such a statement without parsing a lot of data and verifying if somebody in fact was or wasn't vaccinated. Amd if you do then release that data and it should speak for itself.

CNN talking points. Seems like a canned response by the physician. Also of concern is the recent report that a million Americans have already gotten a third dose of the clot shot (which is not supposed to happen per current recommendations) so an honest assessment of the experimental jabs, ability to control who gets what and record keeping, is that they literally don’t know who has gotten what, or where or when they got it, unless it was given at a doctors office with electronic records and file sharing.

Anecdotal but...

Out here it's similar thing in CA. Big surge in local hospitals, only about 30% of patients are vaccinated. Don't think it makes much difference, seems like vaccine efficacy runs out pretty fast. In Israel, have a few friends, there they tell me most patients are vaccinated (but most people there are vaccinated long ago, so its not vaccine thats making them sick, it just likely stops being effective over time... hence boosters are required).

Data online shows a universal rate of covid everywhere regardless of how vaccinated people are, masks, social distancing... all seem to make no difference.

Recommendations regardless of vaccination based on doctors recommendations:
- get vitamin D
- get Vitamin A, C
- garlic
- ivermectin
- mouse wash (regular store brand works fine)
- fuck the masks, shit is useless, go outside get sunlight

All this seems to reduce covid according to doctors.

I'm just sharing what I learned so far, and it seems to work for me. As far as interesting points. My neighbor (elderly woman) died from a heart attack, her death was listed as covid according to her son. So there's that little covid fraud...

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

just likely stops being effective over time... hence boosters are required).

yeehaa to Pfizer and Moderna shareholder value

Bd6r says

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

just likely stops being effective over time... hence boosters are required).

yeehaa to Pfizer and Moderna shareholder value

Feels like at this point, every single scoundrel and politician taking advantage to fuck us even harder with lockdowns and manipulation.

clambo says

The guy has no axe to grind, he had no interest in convincing me, he has no financial interest in the things he told me.

I don't think that he thought he was lying.

I just suspect he was quoting heavily "doctored" hospital stats to you, lol.

We are overdue for a serious virus outbreak.

Patrick says

I just suspect he was quoting heavily "doctored" hospital stats to you, lol.

Yes. I like that. Since the medical profession has chosen disgrace over honor, 'doctored stats' is entirely appropriate.

While it’s true that the media and politicians have been full of shit, the guy just told me what he saw at work.

He goes to work, he sees the ebb and flow of the “customers”, just like a guy who works at a store or something.

He just noticed among the new batch of customers that they were largely unvaccinated.

He’s in charge of the ICU at his hospital. I have not heard him say anything pro or con getting the shot, he didn’t ask me if I got the shot, etc.

Recall I had to ask about the vaccinated, he did not say “We have a bunch of new anti-vaxxers in the hospital.”

He’s not a mouthpiece for the hospital, he is not a liberal, he just mentioned that business is picking up.

I knew a girl who worked at Macys at Union Square.
She told me that most of the shoplifters on the weekend were blacks, and I accepted her observation.

Edit:
I said I could look for some Hydroxychloroquine and etc. when I go down to Mexico, and he said that they were giving a drug which I don’t recall, but I think it’s an anti-viral.
I will ask about it before I “make a run for the border”.

clambo says

he just mentioned that business is picking up.

Which is what this whole thing is anyway. This will be a seasonal flu forever. It's not going away. At some point now you're going to need 5-10 vaccines annually to function. Or you can just live your life and occasionally get sick. I prefer not to sink money into the medical field.

As others have said he also likely didn't have details on known or unknown ailments of these people in the ICU. He looks at a chart and then goes to the next chart. Nurses are the ones caring for patients 90% of the time, even ICU.

As you said yourself, he's likely going off hospital stats and those are likely cooked to freak people out to get them to visit or get vaccinated #business. Unless you're inputting all the data and see all the charts, no one really knows and it's likely multiple people doing that. So even one person wouldn't be a reliable source of info.

Not a brag, but I know a lot of people. Getting into 40+ people I personally know that got Covid. One went to the doc and was fine. Wife's uncle got it and was sick, but never went to the doc. You're going to get this regardless of vax status and it's likely going to be a nothing burger from a decent anecdotal sample. Sinus issues, taste/smell and maybe some gastro issues.

We've become a freak out society where everyone needs a solution to every problem. Reality is there's sometimes not a solution. Work on a solution, but this isn't that big of a deal. We've most certainly made the reaction worse than the illness.

One hospital system is giving monoclonal antibody infusion immediately, I was unaware of this.

I believe he was just giving the stats for the ICU, about 18% left it feet first.

I never bought the hype and panic about the Wuhan virus from the beginning, but evidently the majority of very sick people lately in the guy’s hospital didn’t take the shot.

I think it’s interesting to hear from “the horse’s mouth” who is getting very sick lately.

So, my risk list has grown.
1. Old
2. Fat
3. Asthma
4. Diabetes
5. Cancer
6. Heart disease
7. High blood pressure
8. No shot
edit: not taking the shot is a risk factor in my opinion

I’m not concerned either way, for most people there is no problem.

What concerns me is; why are guys riding motorcycles with NO helmet, but wearing a mask?!?

Both of my 83 year old parents tested positive for Covid. The don't want to go to the hospital. If they were scared or in need, they'd change their mind. They tested positive 4-5 days ago. So far so good.

I would get on some treatment if I were in their shoes. Maybe the monoclonal antibody infusions are okay.

I guess it’s time to act when or if they have a fever.

If they took the shot maybe they won’t even feel shitty, no problem.

clambo says

I would get on some treatment if I were in their shoes. Maybe the monoclonal antibody infusions are okay.

I guess it’s time to act when or if they have a fever.

If they took the shot maybe they won’t even feel shitty, no problem.

No shots. Dad took some Ivermectin and mom has taken some HCQ. No fevers and no breathing issues. So far.

WineHorror1 says

clambo says

I would get on some treatment if I were in their shoes. Maybe the monoclonal antibody infusions are okay.

I guess it’s time to act when or if they have a fever.

If they took the shot maybe they won’t even feel shitty, no problem.

No shots. Dad took some Ivermectin and mom has taken some HCQ. No fevers and no breathing issues. So far.

False positives are very common. Unless they show symptoms, I wouldn't worry.

I'd also notify them that false positives are common lest they be influenced by expectations. Vitamin D and Zinc are commonly used. Don't overdo these, just have them take a few supplements.

I'll also advise that they don't go around telling people they tested positive, because other people will inevitably start giving them advice. Considering what was done to people who tested positive 12 months ago - like sedating them and placing them on a ventilator, I'd avoid a hospital.

Chicken soup and whatnot - standard stuff you'd get for a cold.

Patrick says

Is that a fancy word for an Italian Joint?

richwicks says

WineHorror1 says

clambo says

I would get on some treatment if I were in their shoes. Maybe the monoclonal antibody infusions are okay.

I guess it’s time to act when or if they have a fever.

If they took the shot maybe they won’t even feel shitty, no problem.

No shots. Dad took some Ivermectin and mom has taken some HCQ. No fevers and no breathing issues. So far.

False positives are very common. Unless they show symptoms, I wouldn't worry.

I'd also notify them that false positives are common lest they be influenced by expectations. Vitamin D and Zinc are commonly used. Don't overdo these, just have them take a few supplements.

I'll also advise that they don't go around telling people they tested positive, because other people will inevitably start giving them advice. Considering ...

We've got them taking Zinc, C, D and Quercetin daily.

WookieMan says

This will be a seasonal flu forever.

In August?

Yes the dilemma is false positive results can make you worry and take unnecessary action.

clambo says

Among the people who are sick in his hospital, the worst weren’t vaccinated.

What were their comorbidities

clambo says

So, my risk list has grown.
1. Old
2. Fat
3. Asthma
4. Diabetes
5. Cancer
6. Heart disease
7. High blood pressure
8. No shot

I thought you took the shot?

WookieMan says

We've become a freak out society where everyone needs a solution to every problem.

And huge industries have sprung up to amplify every freakout and monetize and profiteer off of "solutions".
And when "crisis" are so incredibly profitable I am pretty sure there is a strong impulse to gin one up as needed among the Psychopathic Elites.

Robert Sproul says

And when "crisis" are so incredibly profitable I am pretty sure there is a strong impulse to gin one up as needed among the Psychopathic Elites.

Health is the biggest industry when you combine all parts of it. Insurance companies are still getting their monthly payment and copays for procedures they bill you and the hospital differently (less). Labs getting all these tests like never seen before. Other illnesses not being treated for a year creating more business for hospitals and docs. Then there's the obvious, big Pharma making shit loads of money on tax payer backs with no recourse for the patient. PPE manufacturers. The list goes on. This is a massive con job or bio warfare. Pretty indisputable at this point.

We then tell people to stay home and the likes of Walmart, Amazon, etc will ship everything to you after they print free money for you. This whole situation is fucked up big time. We need much more defiance from the average person and employees of companies that put draconian restrictions on you or your peers.

Onvacation, yes I took the shot.
I consider not taking the shot a minor risk.

clambo says

Onvacation, yes I took the shot.
I consider not taking the shot a minor risk.

I know you did. I was trying to make a joke. If you have to explain your joke, it's not funny.

I wish you well.

I didn’t ask about the comorbidities, but I assumed it’s 94% of dead 💀 had a couple of comorbidities from what the CDC claimed.

The guy 29 years old having multiple organs fail sounded scary, but I don’t know anything else.

clambo says

I assumed it’s 94% of dead 💀 had a couple of comorbidities from what

93% had 1 or more comorbidities is the number I heard.

95% are over 50 years old.
79% are over 65 years old.
57% are over 75 years old.
30% of "deaths from covid-19" are amongst people over 80 years old

It's a tragedy that we are giving up our kids future in order to protect old people. It's a travesty that we are trying to give our children, who are NOT at risk, an experimental biologic agent that has unknown long-term effects.

clambo says

I didn’t ask about the comorbidities, but I assumed it’s 94% of dead 💀 had a couple of comorbidities from what the CDC claimed.

The guy 29 years old having multiple organs fail sounded scary, but I don’t know anything else.

635k deaths approaching two years now as other flu strains seemingly have disappeared. The net loss of additional life is trivial really. The 29 year old likely had something undiagnosed and just tested positive from a faulty test. It's not all that uncommon in a medical setting for people to come in with failing organs. They're seeing the sickest of the sick regardless of age. Probably wasn't healthy from the word go.

As OV posts above in the pie graph, if you're 64 and under, you'll likely be totally fine. Remember you still have to catch it in the first place which only a few of us on this forum have. It's likely rampant in older people because they generally just sit indoors. Flu is spreading constantly. We just don't fully know this one and how it's evolving. It will be a part of the flu cocktail in the future once approved.

Either way, data shows it's killing older, mostly dead and unhealthy people. America is obese. There's a lot of 65+ people that are fat and have been their whole lives. That's who this kills. Knowing an obese person about to hit 70 having gotten Covid, you really have to be in bad health to die from this or have some undiagnosed condition.

WineHorror1 says

We've got them taking Zinc, C, D and Quercetin daily.

Per @Rin's suggestion, they should be taking quercetin phytosome, which is 20X more bioavailable than quercetin dihydrate. This is one source: https://www.thorne.com/products/dp/quercetin-phytosome

clambo says

I know a guy who is in charge of an ICU in a hospital in South Florida.

There's over 9 million people in south Florida. Did he tell you how many people are in his ICU?

Did he ever explain, why one or two people get brain eating parasites, from swimming in the same body of water 1000's of other Summer revelers. That were also swimming in the exact same spot, on the exact same day, didn't get such an infection?
Every flu strain, has it's fatalities. It's the only thing that keeps them in the news. Even Zika that shrunk baby heads, stayed in the news for almost 5 years. Before it dried up and went away. The HN191 or what ever variant that was, going around in the summer of 2009, had just as many real hospitalizations and deaths. Asia countries were masking up, and carrying on the way we're carrying on now, back then. The only difference between then and now, is now, almost every death in 2020 was attributed to Corona. They play games with numbers, to where you can't trust them and take their word for it, to make an informed decision.

I don't deny there's a pathogen going around, that can kill some people in the population. While an overwhelming majority of the population can breath it in all day long, touch their face, rub their eyes, and lick their fingers and never get it. While other people may get it, and for some reason, some chronic conditions they may have had in the past, will make them deteriorate in an instant.

There's just a lot of truth and half truths to go around on both sides of the argument. But when we've got a power hungry, tryanny mongering marxist trained, communist promoting government politicizing it, and mandating things that don't make any sense. Then I'm going to side with caution and say... "No fuck that! They are pissing up our legs."

Get the fuck out of here, there's sick people in the hospitals! Where's the fucking ambulances, where's the neighbors falling out of their houses, sick and dying.
I'm in South Florida and I'm not seeing the 11,000 new cases a day. It's a big fucking lie.