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Tenpoundbass says

DonewithDebate says

@Tenpoundbass Whites or racism have nothing to do with beating of this kid!! This is payback for castist hindooo.

I've already gone through this with the Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Columbians, and Mexicans, who try to tell my they belong here, but the other Latin country folks don't.

It is subjective matter and everyone have right to opinion. If you are granted citizenship or born here is all that matter.

I don't care where anyone comes from. If they personally have their primary loyalty to America and not to any other country, then I say they are Americans.

Patrick says

I don't care where anyone comes from. If they personally have their primary loyalty to America and not to any other country, then I say they are Americans.

I have one question for you. What should happen to people who are not loyal to america?

indc says

Patrick says

I don't care where anyone comes from. If they personally have their primary loyalty to America and not to any other country, then I say they are Americans.

I have one question for you. What should happen to people who are not loyal to america?

They should be sent to a place what they are loyal to. It is just fair.
I believe if they really have shame they should do voluntarily.

richwicks says

I call bullshit on this. Constant unending claims of non existent racism are rampant on Fakebook.

I too thought this is total BS when I saw it. But then I thought what do they gain by claiming the incident. Right in US doesnot care for hindu's rights because they think its a barbaric religion and its followers are barbarians. Left from all over the world does not care for hindus because they consider them oppressors so they are at the bottom of oppression Olympics totem pole.

indc says

richwicks says

I call bullshit on this. Constant unending claims of non existent racism are rampant on Fakebook.

I too thought this is total BS when I saw it. But then I thought what do they gain by claiming the incident. Right in US doesnot care for hindu's rights because they think its a barbaric religion and its followers are barbarians. Left from all over the world does not care for hindus because they consider them oppressors so they are at the bottom of oppression Olympics totem pole.

Because it is true. Hard to hide truth:
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/hitlers-hindus-indias-nazi-loving-nationalists-on-the-rise-1.5628532
Hitler’s Hindus: The Rise and Rise of India’s Nazi-loving Nationalists

indc says

Patrick says

I don't care where anyone comes from. If they personally have their primary loyalty to America and not to any other country, then I say they are Americans.

I have one question for you. What should happen to people who are not loyal to america?

Perhaps their citizenship should be revoked if they have proven disloyalty to America.

Patrick says

indc says

Patrick says

I don't care where anyone comes from. If they personally have their primary loyalty to America and not to any other country, then I say they are Americans.

I have one question for you. What should happen to people who are not loyal to america?

Perhaps their citizenship should be revoked if they have proven disloyalty to America.

@patrick
Although our executive and in some cases judicial branch have questionable behavior following constitution, But I believe that naturalized citizen can be "deported" for treason after revoking citizenship.
I do believe that there should be high bar and "high treason" should be established beyond doubt.

Thanks @DonewithDebate

Again, it's not about race or religion.

I would never ban Hindus as a group from entering or becoming citizens as long as they plausibly show that they will put loyalty to America above loyalty to any country.

There is a problem with Islam though, which by their own religious law seeks to undermine all non-Islamic countries and replace the government with sharia.

Probably the majority of nominal Muslims will not do that, but the most devout ones feel themselves obligated to do that.

Patrick says

indc says

Patrick says

I don't care where anyone comes from. If they personally have their primary loyalty to America and not to any other country, then I say they are Americans.

I have one question for you. What should happen to people who are not loyal to america?

Perhaps their citizenship should be revoked if they have proven disloyalty to America.

It should always be on individual basis.
Our laws are strong and once followed, we won't have much problem.

You can get this from Costco!
Desi is "rural culture of Bharat". Like "Desi Bande" means rural folks.

This will be "Desi" song!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT83pqbx2Mg

I don't understand this thread, or the half a dozen ones with Anti-Western Hindus bitching about People converting from Brahmin Control, or Sikhs whinging that people are free to migrate or buy land or start businesses to any part of India they want.

Sikhs must be free to buy land/move anywhere in India or MUH OPPRESSED!! Non-Sikhs must stay out of Kashmir unless they get special permission or MUH OPPRESSED!

GHURLY MAHHHRRR!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x81iip6psks

Patrick says

indc says

Patrick says

I don't care where anyone comes from. If they personally have their primary loyalty to America and not to any other country, then I say they are Americans.

I have one question for you. What should happen to people who are not loyal to america?

Perhaps their citizenship should be revoked if they have proven disloyalty to America.

What if someone is born in america but show disloyalty to america. They still live in America not like ISIS brides, what then.

indc says

Patrick says

indc says

Patrick says

I don't care where anyone comes from. If they personally have their primary loyalty to America and not to any other country, then I say they are Americans.

I have one question for you. What should happen to people who are not loyal to america?

Perhaps their citizenship should be revoked if they have proven disloyalty to America.

What if someone is born in america but show disloyalty to america. They still live in America not like ISIS brides, what then.

Native put in jail for actual acts of treason.Deport if naturalized.
Disloyalty without treason can have no consequences, By the way loyalty come only internally as no body can force it.(Some people/communities are loyal and some are not)

indc says

What if someone is born in america but show disloyalty to america. They still live in America not like ISIS brides, what then.

Hey, if you want the call centers, you gotta take the missionaries.

If Christians don't have the right to give Indians their views, why should Indians give customer service assistance to Christians?

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

indc says

What if someone is born in america but show disloyalty to america. They still live in America not like ISIS brides, what then.

Hey, if you want the call centers, you gotta take the missionaries.

If Christians don't have the right to give Indians their views, why should Indians give customer service assistance to Christians?

Good point. But did missionaries spread first or the call center jobs?

indc says

Good point. But did missionaries spread first or the call center jobs?

Who cares? Missionaries are private groups, corporations are private groups.

If India regulates Missionaries, the US should regulate customer service centers out of India.

I don't care if Anglican Missionaries were in 19th Century British India, nothing to do with 21st Century Call Centers from America.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

indc says

Good point. But did missionaries spread first or the call center jobs?

Who cares? Missionaries are private groups, corporations are private groups.

If India regulates Missionaries, the US should regulate customer service centers out of India.

I don't care if Anglican Missionaries were in 19th Century British India, nothing to do with 21st Century Call Centers from America.

I don't get logic over here.
Hindoo have no benefit of "missionaries" in Bharat. This create unnecessary competition for them to keep people under their fold... so definitely they will try to keep them in check.

Call centers are used by American firms to use "cheap labor" to provide cheaper services to customers. If they bring back home service quality as well as cost will increase.
What does the two have to do with each other? There are 1B ungainly employed .. million of so US jobs are drop in bucket... Hindoo doesn't care.

Many Many Indians are employed in Call Centers. And Many H1B Indians like the experience of a few years in the USA, because when they go back to India they enter Middle Management thanks to their "Global Experience".

I'm saying to INDC that the Missionaries should come with the Call Centers and vice-versa. He wants $$$ of Call Centers but not let his Low Castes hear the Good News.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Many Many Indians are employed in Call Centers. And Many H1B Indians like the experience of a few years in the USA, because when they go back to India they enter Middle Management thanks to their "Global Experience".

I'm saying to INDC that the Missionaries should come with the Call Centers and vice-versa. He wants $$$ of Call Centers but not let his Low Castes hear the Good News.

Bhartis are not very happy with Hindoo cult and they are looking for change.
Christians need $1T to get the job done.
Hard cash better than other minor tricks.It is long term investment, 500M new followers will get Christians have huge leg up Muslims.

The Power of the Savior who Kicked the Devil's Ass for the Keys of Life and Death...

is far superior than any Guru sucking up some lamp oil using a dick trick and lighting his piss on fire as a sign of "Purity"

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

The Power of the Savior who Kicked the Devil's Ass for the Keys of Life and Death...

is far superior than any Guru sucking up some lamp oil using a dick trick and lighting his piss on fire as a sign of "Purity"

It doesn't matter who you worship, What matters is that what you worship frees you or is a trick to enslave you.
Hindoo cult is created to enslave and discriminate, But all the Gurus etc. precede them and part of generic Bharti culture of worshiping nature... obviously "dick" plays important part in nature and not Christianity( Christ was supposed to be born without dick playing any role)

I can't believe that Christ was born to virgin Mary, But it really doesn't matter.
What it matters is the teachings improve or degrade our lives.

Agree: Hindus tend to be clannish (Human nature is tribalistic, aren't Italians, Irish clannish?)
Disagree: Hindus don't give a shit about the US (Do some Americans give a shit about the US? We send our jobs overseas, actively promote poor lifestyle, unnecessary wars, excessive profit mongering at the cost of average Joes, brainwashing, extreme political divide.....)
Neutral: Hindus are mostly here for the money (Dharma can be established only through Artha, isn't this the American way of life)

Yes, the Irish are literally clannish. "Clann" is an Irish word.

I'm not saying all Hindus don't give a shit about the US. Sure, a lot of Americans don't either.

Everyone should be given a chance based on their personal merits alone, not where they come from.

Governments should protect national interests. And this means that government ensures that the people, politicians and corporations don't undermine or put self-interest before the interest of the nation. Nation means the people and not just the corporations (such as Fakebook, Google, DNC, RNC....)