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Psychology of vaxxers. They are accepting the state into their body, becoming one with the government


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2021 Oct 22, 3:04pm   201,139 views  1,343 comments

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Maybe the battle is between those who unfairly benefit from credentialism, and those who don't.

Liberals defend their credentials which allow them to exploit those who don't have the same credentials. Credentials create monopolies, the ability to set high prices regardless of quality of service. It is a way to defeat free market competition.

The funding of universities depends entirely on the demand for their degrees, which they control. Their biggest horror would be a system where anyone could take tests to prove competence in a subject without paying for the years of classes and subjecting themselves to obedience to professors.

Thatcher and Trump refused to give the automatic respect many academics feel is their due. They gave the impression that they could see right through us, an uncomfortable feeling.
- Thomas Frank

Most of academia is less about learning than about paying for a paper proof of status and conformity. Non-conformists are expelled from schools, or failed out. Most teachers do not like their authority to be questioned. Bosses like the academic proof of conformity when they hire. The most "educated" are the most obedient.

Trump was a threat to their credentials and therefore a threat to their incomes and status.

The academic elite need a reason to hate those threatening themselves, therefore they use imaginary "racism", to which there is no defense. The accusation is the conviction.

Then they don't need to worry about the real class problem, which is independent of race. They would be uncomfortable looking at class, because they'd have to look at themselves and their unearned class privileges.

So their faith in the injection is faith in the "expert class" of which they are members, and they demand that the hoi polloi submit to it as an expression of the elite's power and prestige.



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59   Automan Empire   2021 Nov 20, 8:52pm  

richwicks says
I still think I got it correct? Piston is at the bottom


See if this helps. This is the orientation usually used when describing reciprocating engine cycles.


60   richwicks   2021 Nov 21, 5:34am  

Automan Empire says


Haha. That explains it. In my mind, I always see the piston being below the crankshaft. I see the picture upside down when I mentally visualize it.
61   Automan Empire   2021 Nov 21, 1:57pm  

richwicks says
I always see the piston being below the crankshaft.


Engines are almost never built like that because of the problems of oil on the underside of the piston. Even horizontally opposed "pancake" engines like VW and Subaru are an engineering challenge to control oil with horizontal cylinders. Old radial engine aircraft are the only ones coming to mind which routinely mount cylinders piston-down relative to the crankshaft. Some of these burned castor oil in a continuous loss system; they had an oil tank on board as large or larger than the fuel tank because of this, because it's more expedient than getting a traditional oil sump somehow working on this configuration. Castor plants still grow wild around the empty spaces of Los Angeles thanks to our aerospace history.
62   richwicks   2021 Nov 21, 2:12pm  

Automan Empire says
Engines are almost never built like that because of the problems of oil on the underside of the piston.


There's a big difference between understanding the principle and a practical design.

I'm dealing with that in a communication protocol. Excellent principles, horrific design.
63   GNL   2021 Nov 21, 2:34pm  

Automan Empire says
richwicks says
I still think I got it correct? Piston is at the bottom


See if this helps. This is the orientation usually used when describing reciprocating engine cycles.



So it fires every other rotation?
64   richwicks   2021 Nov 21, 3:08pm  

WineHorror1 says
So it fires every other rotation?


Nope, every other.

This is actually why I have a general idea of how one works. I used to think it fired every rotation and one day I was like "wait a minute - how would that work??" so I looked it up but the drawings I saw were upside down, and now that's the way I have thought of it since until I was just recently corrected.

With a diesel engine there is no sparkplug either. The compression itself causes the air/fuel mixture to get hot enough to ignite (PV=nRT).

Everybody should have a general idea of how everything works. I went into engineering thinking everything was complicated - it's not. Everything is simple and ingenious. You'd be surprised how simple a computer really is. It's just fast. The only complexity are algorithms and once you understand those, they are simple too.
65   GNL   2021 Nov 21, 3:23pm  

richwicks says
Nope, every other.

That's what I said...every other.
66   richwicks   2021 Nov 21, 3:24pm  

WineHorror1 says
richwicks says
Nope, every other.

That's what I said...every other.


Yeah, you did. I'm entirely sober today too.
67   HeadSet   2021 Nov 21, 5:27pm  

richwicks says
I used to think it fired every rotation

That would be a two-stroke, like in some old dirt bike or outboard boat engines. For some of the older folks, you may remember the Cox .049 engine for the string controlled flying model planes. That little two stroke had a glow head, with the fuel squirting right on the glow head through a hole in the center of the piston, at every top dead center.
68   Patrick   2021 Nov 23, 7:23pm  

https://covidreason.substack.com/p/weve-lost-our-ever-luvin-minds-virtue


Nothing says I’m better than you than donning a mask for no particular reason at all and then posting a photo of it online to demonstrate that virtue!



69   Patrick   2021 Nov 23, 10:18pm  

https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/mocking-coronamania


During Coronamania, many people have validated and internalized others’ Covid fear level, because doing so is seen as "empathetic" and "nice." Some have told me they’re deliberately accommodating others’ fear. Others may be doing so reflexively. I‘m reminded of the Woody Allen movie, Zelig, in which the title character pathologically takes on the personalities of those around him in order to fit in and gain acceptance.

In sports, coaches or commentators sometimes sometimes say a team is “playing down to another team’s level,” i.e., playing poorly and out of synch because that’s what their opponent is doing. But should everyday people dysfunctionally descend into the viral fear abyss of those around them? Empathy isn’t always good; it can be misplaced and damaging. Acting as if Covid fear is rational enables more fear among the fearful. It’s the adult version of affirming that maybe there is a monster under your bed. It’s like buying beer for an alcoholic friend.
71   Patrick   2021 Nov 25, 7:27pm  

https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/ignorant-and-afraid


As members of this privileged, sheltered class, politicians and bureaucrats have absorbed the virus hysteria that they helped seed in their social milieu. ...

Merkel’s remarkable virus paranoia, quietly acknowledged by the press now for months, explains her fixation on social isolation, closures and curfews as the only acceptable pandemic policies.

She is a 67 year-old sedentary woman who likely suffers from one or more undisclosed health problems. And she is surrounded by other older, unfit government officials, like 73 year-old interior minister Horst Seehofer, who nearly died of a B19 virus infection in 2002, and so has a reason to fear viral infection. For months and months, all of these people have been taking every possible personal precaution – including house-arresting the entire domestic populations of the countries they govern – in the vain hope of escaping Corona.

You could feel their collective relief when the vaccines were rolled out. All of them eagerly accepted vaccination. ...

To the profound disappointment of Merkel and everybody like her, the vaccines have not eradicated Corona. Every day, the prospect of personal infection looms for these people as a new, uncomfortable certainty. Every day, they and the rest of the work-from-home bureaucracy become ever more terrified. The prime minister of Austria is so afraid that he has confined all unvaccinated Austrians to their homes. When asked, he declared that this measure would have no end date. The Chief Minister of Australia’s Northern Territory is terrified. New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern is terrified.

You know who isn’t terrified right now? Everyone outside these circles. I and many of the people I know have had Corona, and we’re not terrified. Blue-collar workers have mostly been infected, and they’re not terrified. Grocery clerks, nurses, police officers and bus drivers aren’t terrified. All of the terror is at the top, blaring down at us all of the time. All these people know they are going to get sick in the next few months, and they are railing against this reality. ...

All in all, it is the hive-mind that has been vastly more successful at understanding what is going on – not only as far as Corona, but everywhere. This has been obvious now for years. It is even true in my own field, where the official discourse suffers from a pervasive, unoriginal banality, while alternative theories pondered by intelligent outsiders and anonymous Twitter accounts become every day vastly more interesting. The reasons are simple: There are more people involved; the barriers to publishing are lower; nodes that provide bad analysis are easily removed; the thinkers are more thoroughly networked to each other; they gather audiences solely on the basis of their ability; they consider everything, not just the official line.

Meanwhile, it is only official, curated information that is allowed to inform bureaucratic decisions. Products of the hive-mind are deliberately excluded, via gate-keeping mechanisms like peer review and credentialism. All of the terrified Angela Merkels of the world act within an environment of outdated, poor-quality information, all the time. ...

The problem with curated information isn’t just that it is slow, subject to inertia, and produced by insular out-of-touch functionaries. Because the information has political importance, there are incentives everywhere to manipulate and degrade its quality. Bureaucratic actors will lie about what is going on to curry favour, save face or evade blame. What is more, many advisers, analysts and modellers are only in the position of providing analysis in the first place, because we need more women in STEM, or because they tell the Faucis of the world what they want to hear, or because they have the right combination of sociopathy and narrow-mindedness necessary to ascend complex bureaucratic hierarchies.

Corona policies really are as stupid as they look. Politicians and bureaucrats have locked themselves into a sad parody of the film Contagion, and their increasingly unsustainable, erratic behaviour merely reflects their desperation.
73   Patrick   2021 Nov 29, 10:15pm  

https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/the-ideology-of-corona-containment

The Ideology of Corona Containment
The system of political beliefs and demands that have grown up around mass containment increasingly resemble a novel, malignant ideological system. ...

First-world democracies are anything but systems for channelling the will of the people. Instead, with the rise of mass media and mass society, they have become elaborate consensus-farming operations. Unique in history, they are governing systems that use mass media to call into being the phenomenon of public opinion, which is then shaped by a combination of propaganda and political participation into a tool of governance and consensus in its own right. The majority is thus first acclimated to the agenda of the state, and then deployed to enforce governmental directives and to repress dissidents, the non-compliant and, increasingly, even the disinterested. Corona containment is an obvious product of a system like this, depending as it does on widely distributed consensus policies that are enforced less by the police than by enthusiastic majorities deputised by journalists.
74   tanked   2021 Nov 30, 11:41am  

That's insightful.

You saw Kamala in the VP debates try to pull this with her statement of "I'm the only one here who prosecuted..."

That was her job title, prosecutor.

Versus just discuss and debate the actual issues.

Should Pence have dropped to her level and said "I'm the only one here who Vice Presided"? He could have but didn't.
75   Patrick   2021 Nov 30, 11:33pm  

https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/bus-rides-boxers-and-covid-myth-busters


The mainstream media notion that all people were at serious risk from this virus would not have made sense to those who considered real life, directly observed data about how very few people they knew—or knew of—had died with this infection, or how old or unhealthy those who died already were. Passing your local hospital would not have revealed lines of people laying on stretchers on the sidewalk. People should have noticed that people they knew had tested positive without manifesting serious symptoms. Multiple recent infections among the “vaccinated” people they know should reveal that the vaxxes have been badly oversold.
76   richwicks   2021 Nov 30, 11:46pm  

Patrick says
https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/bus-rides-boxers-and-covid-myth-busters


The mainstream media notion that all people were at serious risk from this virus would not have made sense to those who considered real life, directly observed data about how very few people they knew—or knew of—had died with this infection, or how old or unhealthy those who died already were. Passing your local hospital would not have revealed lines of people laying on stretchers on the sidewalk. People should have noticed that people they knew had tested positive without manifesting serious symptoms. Multiple recent infections among the “vaccinated” people they know should reveal that the vaxxes have been badly oversold.


Doesn't it suck that we are now made dependent on anecdotal evidence since our "reliable sources" now lie to us?

This is like petting a dog from the tail to the head. I hate it, but at this point, it seems to be a reasonable way to pet a dog. At least the fleas are jumping out.
78   Patrick   2021 Dec 1, 1:56pm  

https://patriotpost.us/opinion/84566?mailing_id=6309&utm_medium=patrick.net&utm_source=patrick.net&utm_campaign=patrick.net&utm_content=body


DECEMBER 1, 2021
An ‘Abundance of Caution’ Mentality Leads to Tyranny
Our public officials are pathologically incapable of humility.




79   Ceffer   2021 Dec 1, 2:22pm  

Like the rest of the pandemic, Omicron is assertion fallacy from the usual suspects. Never mentioned are standards of diagnosis, published genome of variant, what institutions conduct the diagnosis, what tests do they use, who did they test, where did they test, why did they test, how did they isolate and culture the alleged variant etc. etc.

All we get is corrupt mouthpiece assertion fallacy followed by unwarranted and near instantaneous executive fiat oppression.
82   Patrick   2021 Dec 5, 8:39pm  

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/the-god-that-failed?source=patrick.net


Instead, try one simple question. The simplest possible. The public health equivalent of Ronald Reagan’s, Are you better off today than you were four years ago?

The question is this: If the vaccines work, what’s going on?

Remind them: We are almost a year into mass vaccination campaigns. Even before they began, public health experts and media and politicians explicitly and repeatedly promised that vaccines would end the epidemic if enough people took them.

Now the United States and especially Europe have vaccinated vast numbers of their citizens with mRNA and DNA vaccines that appeared hugely effective in clinical trials. In many European countries, over 90 percent of all adults are vaccinated.

Yet not only has Covid not disappeared, many of those same countries, like Denmark, are now seeing record levels of infections.
83   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2021 Dec 5, 9:03pm  

Patrick says


Remember Patty Hearst? There’s a name for her condition, I forgot the term, when victim surrenders and takes up oppressors cause.
84   Patrick   2021 Dec 7, 1:48pm  

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/control-the-language-control-the?source=patrick.net





examples of this from “vaccine” to “herd immunity” to “woman” abound. the point is to erect a semantic smokescreen and weaponize language into politics. it becomes a tool to obscure rather than reveal and to slant rather than facilitate discourse.






this will snowball until it blocks out all the sunlight of reason. this is where intellectual blind spots and dark ages come from.

the only answer is to push back and push back HARD.
85   Patrick   2021 Dec 7, 10:05pm  

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/stories-that-the-press-will-not-cover?source=patrick.net


Caroline Stepovich has been a nurse for the past 37 years.

She got COVID and recovered. She still suffers from long-haul symptoms.

She isn’t vaccinated, she knows the vaccine are dangerous, she knows too many vaccine injured, and there is no way she’s going to get the vaccine. No benefit, only risk to her. It would be a really dumb decision.

She is shunned by all her vaccinated friends (including other nurses) who:

blame her for the pandemic

feel it is dangerous to be around her

say she is selfish

say that she isn’t “a team player”

claim she is evil for not doing the right thing by getting vaccinated.

She calmly tells her friends that as someone who is COVID recovered, she is much safer to be around since even if she gets re-infected, she cannot transmit the virus. And furthermore, if she does get re-infected, she won’t get hospitalized or die.

Caroline is superior to her vaccinated friends from both a risk and burden perspective. She can’t infect her friends and she isn’t a burden on society if she gets re-infected. Her friends don’t have a single advantage over her in any way.

Her friends tell her that what she said isn’t true and is misinformation.

Wow. What Caroline says comes right from the CDC (showing if you are COVID recovered you can’t transmit a subsequent infection) and a Harvard study (showing people who have recovered immunity don’t get reinfected).
86   GNL   2021 Dec 8, 6:56am  

Patrick says
What Caroline says comes right from the CDC (showing if you are COVID recovered you can’t transmit a subsequent infection) and a Harvard study (showing people who have recovered immunity don’t get reinfected).

It would be great to see that Harvard study as well as where the CDC says infected can't be reinfected and/or spread the virus after the initial infection.
87   Patrick   2021 Dec 10, 9:38pm  

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/crowdsourcing-the-secret-police?source=patrick.net





this is how you turn a society against itself and families members against one another.

it’s how you take the reach of the state into every corner of every home.

it is intentional and it is calculated.

they will get you used to this.

they will get you agitated and scared enough to think that this is righteous.

they will vilify and other and seek to describe those who do not submit as unfit, immoral, and unclean.

it has happened before.

it’s happening again. ...

it’s about authoritarians vs free people. and there is no sustainable middle ground there. either your rights are inalienable, or they are not rights at all and you’ll spend the rest of your life in a negotiation about what privileges you can keep. you have to ask what your bedtime is, you cannot just decide for yourself.



88   Patrick   2021 Dec 13, 8:38am  

https://tobyrogers.substack.com/p/the-geographies-of-the-pharma-genocide?source=patrick.net


Dr. Desmet argues that “mass formation is a specific phenomenon that emerges if certain conditions are met”:

The conditions are:

1. A lack of social connectedness;
2. A lack of meaning;
3. Free-floating anxiety (that is unconnected to any mental representation); and
4. Free-floating frustration and aggression.

(Obviously our modern society met all of these conditions prior to COVID.)

And then he argues that “a narrative is distributed via mass media that focuses anxiety and aggression on a certain object” (in this case a virus).


This is quite convincing to me. We live in a country which is actively undermining its own history and sense of community in order to maximize profits for the corporations which control the country. We are bred to be free-floating consumers, not rooted to any particular place, moving around for money. Moving to places which are strip malls of housing next to strip malls of shopping. And now even the strip malls of shopping are going under, killed by the plandemic for the benefit of Jeff Bezos.


I think the antidote needs to match the four conditions that Desmet describes in the beginning. Our alternative must be:

1. More social connectedness;
2. More meaning-making (through spirituality, honest work, time with family & friends, and experiencing nature);
3. Properly identifying the source of our anxiety as our hurry up culture and helping people take the off-ramp to a parallel economy; and
4. Properly identifying the source of our frustration and aggression as the predatory system of monopoly capitalism and helping people take the off-ramp into a parallel economy based on mutual respect.


I agree with all of those. One thing Americans need to do is stop moving. Make a commitment to a certain place and stay there. Put down roots and water the plant. Simply remaining in one town results in becoming part of a community there.
89   Patrick   2021 Dec 15, 9:43am  

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/adam-carolla-mocks-the-covid-tyrants/?source=patrick.net


The last two years have felt a lot like a cosmic joke. I sometimes like to recap it to myself, just in the hopes of actually believing everything that’s going on.

There’s a virus that strikes the elderly and obese and spares children, and two years later the most common mitigation strategy is putting ineffective and dirty cloth masks on schoolchildren. For adults in many blue areas, we’re forced to wear masks in a restaurant from the door to our table. In New York City, it’s even worse: you have to show proof of a vaccine that doesn’t prevent transmission in order to enter an indoor space, and also wear a mask.

Yet it was at just the moment that life became laughably absurd that comedians stopped daring to tell jokes. Now, we’re hectored with moralistic progressive haranguing from those who supposedly make a living being funny.

Making jokes could be construed as going against the prevailing narrative of Covid mania, er, caution. And as such, few comedians have dared. Enter Adam Carolla, who does dare to do that in a new comedy special produced by the Daily Wire, called Truth Yeller.

Within the first five minutes, Carolla describes traveling during Covid with mask theater in place. He jokes about how nonsensical the rules are; he is yelled at to pull up his mask one minute, and then served hummus, which he eats with his hands. He quips, “Do you think anyone has died because they snacked on an airplane? What would their obituary read?”

Carolla links these nonsense TSA rules with those we’ve been begrudgingly living with for years, like liquid limits to pass through security. These regulations have never made much sense; they’re the products of unthinking bureaucrats unable to utilize common sense in their enforcement of the rules. Carolla uses the example of a nearly empty tube of toothpaste labeled “4 oz.” that isn’t permitted through, while sneaking through the technically allowed amounts of alcohol.

We understand how ludicrous these post-9/11 rules are because we’ve seen them in practice for over a decade; we know dumping out our water bottles at the security line and then buying new bottles for $4 each isn’t saving any lives. We’re not allowed (yet) to mock Covid regulations on masks because doing so is, for many elites, a threat to public health.

Carolla (and his first guest, Jay Leno) are doing a vital and subversive public service: they’re breaking the seal on mocking the Covid theater we’re all subjected to.

There’s some part of all Americans that understands that we are living in some sort of absurd simulation. Kids in schools are masked all day, often in ineffective and dirty cloth masks, while adults are shoulder to shoulder in bars, restaurants and sporting events. Where I live in Montgomery County, kids are still playing outdoor soccer in masks, and our county executive is hinting at what is essentially permanent masking requirements, as are already in place in Oregon.

But like in Oregon, the politicians passing such regulations aren’t scared enough of Covid to follow the rules they’ve imposed upon us all. In the last month alone, four members of the Montgomery County Council have been spotted at indoor public events where masks were removed (I documented it here on Twitter).

We should be able to point and laugh at this absurdity: kids in preschools and daycares are required to be masked, but at a legislative breakfast in the ballroom of a large local chain hotel, all of the adults could remove their masks because there was food in front of them. What would it take to unmask toddlers here? Maybe we can convince them to hold their sippy cups and an animal cracker all day; because we know that food and drink somehow neutralizes the airborne virus.

I’m joking, of course, but this is all a joke. None of it makes sense. We should all be openly mocking the ridiculous world we’ve been forced to live in by hypocritical bureaucrats attending networking events and parties unmasked while lecturing us about how dangerous this virus is. It’s nice to see Carolla doing so. Here’s hoping he starts a trend and inspires other so-called comedians to take aim as well.
90   Patrick   2021 Dec 15, 10:33am  

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj-2021-068094?source=patrick.net


As an extraordinary period in which social life was upturned, the covid-19 pandemic will be over when we turn off our screens and decide that other issues are once again worthy of our attention. Unlike its beginning, the end of the pandemic will not be televised.
91   Patrick   2021 Dec 16, 10:00am  



I do think a lot of the compliance is among the elderly who really don't care how many children they kill just as long as it make themselves feel a bit safer.
92   Patrick   2021 Dec 17, 7:15am  

https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/parasocial-dunbar-hacking?source=patrick.net



In the Prussian educational paradigm that now dominates the modern world, children are trained not by their families, while interacting with and growing trusting bonds with their neighbors. The process of tribal formation is replaced with a handful of authorities, same age social relationships, and parasocial proxy relationships—the people on our magic electronic picture boxes. And in the end, young adults pop out of the other side of this machine suffering a pernicious form of Stockholm Syndrome. They even believe it's what is best for them. After all, their leaders, whom they've likely never met, tell them so. They'd be unhappy to discover the illusion. ...

Hopefully you now have a sense of how information warfare may be carried out effectively---by hacking the brain's internal projection of the tribe. The Pavlovian training of the Prussian educational model is just the priming. Once a subject accepts routine programming from the outside, the trick is to tell them who are and who aren't leaders and experts. In other words, the messages are sent from anywhere, but through a trusted network, and into the minds of the programmable humans, substituting a chosen leader/expert image into the appropriate Dunbar slot and set the mind virus in motion. The media machinery designed for that purpose has been honed for decades, and now with a dash of artificial intelligence (can we just call it automation? Sigh) thrown in.

Why don't the people who aren't hypnotized just help the people under the spell see it?

Easier said than done. The destruction of the community makes that difficult. Even worse, identity politics has been ramped up so that everyone not under the spell becomes "othered" in one way or another.

Perfection of the technique may be what drives mass formation. We are witnessing one now, but if you're reading this, you probably lived through several, but I'll call them out another day. More people are more acutely aware of the sudden shift to a new social state now because the stakes have grown too high to ignore, so there is a larger group forming who can identify that something is very wrong, even if they cannot fully describe it. We might even be said to make up something like a community, at this stage.
93   Patrick   2021 Dec 19, 9:19pm  

> behind the scenes, administration officials have been debating how to shift public attention from the total number of cases -- which appear likely to surge, even if many are mild -- toward the number of severe infections that are overloading health systems and causing interruptions to normal life.
>
>
> A shift toward focusing on severity instead of case numbers
>
> Some of Biden's advisers are encouraging the administration to begin discussing publicly how to live alongside a virus that shows no signs of disappearing, a potentially stark shift in messaging for a White House that once touted "freedom from the virus."
> Steering public attention away from the total number of infections and toward serious cases only -- as some Biden advisers have encouraged -- could prove a challenge after nearly two years of intense focus on the pandemic's every up and down.

There's no hope for the people that still believe the masks, lockdowns, and death jab were at all useful in spite of two years of directly opposing evidence.

Biden can just keep telling the same lies and they will NEVER catch on. He could literally say anything and they would believe it. Anything at all.
94   Patrick   2021 Dec 22, 4:56pm  

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/the-evidence-of-your-own-eyes-and?source=patrick.net


the evidence of your own eyes and ears
at a certain point, it gets too clear to ignore




even in san francisco, folks are starting to wake up and realize that all is not as they were told it would be.

the data is just getting too clear and too prevalent. ...

the next realizations to come:

masking and lockdown never worked and still don’t

vaccinating/boosting in the middle of a peak seasonal surge is directly counterproductive when the vaccine causes well documented immuno-suppression for ~2 weeks post dosing. (data HERE)

despite promises to the contrary, the vaccines are not sterilizing and never were. they do not stop spread or infection or reduce viral load.

and counter to michelle’s final point, vaccines do NOT stop you from playing host or reduce mutations. in fact, leaky vaccines are notorious for making viruses worse by inverting their evolutionary gradient by imposing a new selector that demands greater virulence. this is also WELL DOCUMENTED and looks to have INCREASED DELTA CFR. she and milind have that one exactly backwards. societal scale leaky vaccine administration (especially if it mitigates symptoms and severity while allowing spread) is the antithesis of social duty. the enhanced spread and greater virulence leaves EVERYONE worse off, even the vaxxed. it’s clearly visible in what happened in delta over the summer in the UK

OAS aka is looking more and more prevalent. this is vaccine induced antigenic imprinting that prevents future adaptation to changing pathogens and locks immune response into a past pattern that may not serve you well and may inhibit the formation of sound, sterilizing immunity in the future. this is another offshoot of vaccines with too narrow and specific an immune training vector.

omi looks very mild so far relative to others. this is what a covid looks like as it goes endemic and becomes a cold. there is nothing here to upend the world over. it’s not a ghost down due to pandemic. it’s a ghost town due to humans having lost all sense of proportion. half the world is normal right now and it could all be if people just realized how badly they are over-reacting. we went to woodstock during a virus worse than this.
95   mell   2021 Dec 24, 8:59am  

It's tearing family's apart, one can see it every day. Sis visited Mom and Dad, took a 3 hour flight, bought wine and cheese to invite them over, then Dad's gf refused to go anywhere indoors because my Sis kids aren't jabbed and so they met 10 minutes in a cold hallway as the outdoor tent she was "comfortable" with at a restaurant had freezing Temps. Bitch. On another instance my wife's uncles wife tested positive with zero symptoms but has has isolate now with both wearing masks indoors and staying away from each other. She is keeping herself busy on the Peloton with daily exercise. What kind of a world is this where the healthy are declared sick by fucknose fraudcis and brandon's "tests" and forced into isolation. They are of course complying but we're working on getting them coming out and hop on the plane to see us in the vacation rental after Christmas. I'm so done with with this bullshit I started directly confronting jabbers and paranoid leftoid pansies, friend, foe, family zero fucks given. This shite needs to end NOW.
96   HeadSet   2021 Dec 24, 12:43pm  

mell says
I'm so done with with this bullshit I started directly confronting jabbers and paranoid leftoid pansies, friend, foe, family zero fucks given.

Yes, and any dip that says: "I follow the science" should get asked "What does polymerase mean?" "What is a B and a T cell, and how do they relate to long term immunity?" "You have no idea? Then you are just blindly following the propaganda, as these items are very basic science."
97   richwicks   2021 Dec 24, 9:42pm  

mell says
It's tearing family's apart, one can see it every day. Sis visited Mom and Dad, took a 3 hour flight, bought wine and cheese to invite them over, then Dad's gf refused to go anywhere indoors because my Sis kids aren't jabbed and so they met 10 minutes in a cold hallway


Have a talk with your dad, and with his girl friend, and explain biology to her. Dispense with the "ease them into it" mentality - explain that she's been tricked, it's nothing to be ashamed about, explain very calmly without shouting what she's been falsely led to believe.

If she insults you, calls you stupid, whatever, ignore it. Do not respond in kind. This is a defense. You should never take insult from anybody or be distracted by an insult. Understand how she's been led to think, and expand that for her.

I would start with "if the vaccine is effective, how can an unvaccinated person be a threat to you?". If a vaccine DAMAGES your immune system, THEN a sick person could be a threat to you - only then.

Do not aim to make her embarrassed or ashamed. If you do that, she will resist your reasoning and logic.
98   GNL   2021 Dec 24, 10:26pm  

richwicks says
explain that she's been tricked, it's nothing to be ashamed about,

I believe that what these people are clinging to is the "fact" that the vax will keep you from dying. I have a cousin who told me he got vaxxed for 3 reasons...1) he knows 15 people who died from Covid...2) for his job...3) it will keep him from dying.

I don't know how anyone could convince someone like this of anything other than he did the right thing.

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