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FJB says

Onvacation says

Or are you one of those HODLers?

I made some in trading and yes do hold a few tiny positions that are underwater at the moment.

What is the ultimate goal of HODLing?

I've heard some say they HODL for the day when Bitcoin becomes THE currency. What is your rationale for HODLing?

richwicks says

FJB says

FJB says

@richwicks in essence what you said would be equivalent to saying TCP/IP has no real value. It just moves packets around, you can't make money off of it, it's a scam - back in the day.

Don't strawman me. You know you are engaging in a logical fallacy, but you do it anyhow.

The problem with a distributed database is that you need to have all machines on at all times, you need to have timely connections to them, and you have to have fast indexing to access them.

Even with bit-torrent, it takes 30 seconds or so before the connection(s) are made. Once it gets going, provided with enough peers, you hit saturation of bandwidth. These are minimal transactions, so it's 30 seconds just to ESTABLISH a connection, and then you're on a priority list.

Distributed databases are great f...

Be careful about centralization... remember Napster?
In the crypto world... Cryptsy... Cryptopia,, et.al... but I understand.. both of the former are no longer

Onvacation says

Is that your plan?

Irrelevant..

Onvacation says

What is the ultimate goal of HODLing?

I've heard some say they HODL for the day when Bitcoin becomes THE currency. What is your rationale for HODLing?

I never claimed to be a HODLing. But. If/when I can get a good entry point at a low price I'd make a long term investment out of it.

FJB says

I think threads like this are started from one of two base emotions: fear, envy or both.

Exactly. And nothing you will see will change their view. Give up and dont waste your time. You wont even get them to agree to the basics of blockchain and crypto.

FJB says

How do you make money from government fiat?

OV's investments....dont think he's making money with it....but at least we know in what he "invests".....not really surprising he doesnt have any interest in learning about blockchain and crypto.

food, entertainment, silver coins and a matchbox car (10k) LOL

FJB says

I never claimed to be a HODLing. But. If/when I can get a good entry point at a low price I'd make a long term investment out of it.

OK.
Say you bought a coin for 20k. At what price would you sell? 100k? 500k? How much would someone have to pay you before you would be willing to part with that coin?

Onvacation says

FJB says

I never claimed to be a HODLing. But. If/when I can get a good entry point at a low price I'd make a long term investment out of it.

OK.
Say you bought a coin for 20k. At what price would you sell? 100k? 500k? How much would someone have to pay you before you would be willing to part with that coin?

I am a big HODL'er
Bought BTC at 15k, CARDANO at 10 cents and ETH at 700ish.

I am going to HODL for a few years and might sell one of my BTC for 120-150k. Not sure yet. I could also wait until its worth 500k. We'll see. Not really in a hurry. I am just really sure, Bitcoin will continue to trend higher over time. It has for the last 10 years :)

How big would the bigger fool have to be?

Onvacation says

OK.
Say you bought a coin for 20k. At what price would you sell? 100k? 500k? How much would someone have to pay you before you would be willing to part with that coin?

Have you ever traded a stock? Have you ever looked at trading view? Do you know how to use technical indicators (very basic) like RSI and MACD? I will buy when the current trend reverses and sell when that trend is reversing.

Onvacation says

How big would the bigger fool have to be?

Fools are people who think bitcoin is a scam or a ponzi scheme not realizing that the entire US financial system is one giant Keynesian ponzi scheme that even Keynes would shake his head at.

So... I asked you some questions up above but you haven't answered them. Here is another:

How do you feel about being forced to use CBDC? It's looking more and more like that's going to happen.

Bitcoin says

Exactly. And nothing you will see will change their view. Give up and dont waste your time. You wont even get them to agree to the basics of blockchain and crypto.

I've decided it's mostly fear. Definitely not hate. I had a girlfriend who once told me you only hate the ones you love. That bitch was right!

Bitcoin says

OV's investments....dont think he's making money with it....

Rich boomers in the SF bay area don't have to they are set. I don't care either way. Like I said, I like the guy. How could you dislike a cool guy with such a bad ass sailboat. Seriously, I'm not being facetious. He did a bang up job replacing those sails!

I'm going to buy a cat sailboat with part of my bitcorn earnings someday but in Florida. Something I can live aboard part of the year. Partly b/c I won't be able to buy a boat and a house there (and in TX and in other places)

FJB says

boomers

Yep, most of them dont like Bitcoin and crypto!
Its like trying to tell someone you should go away from using landlines or trying to convince someone to switch from a flip phone to a smart phone.

@FJB
I dont think OV will answer any of your questions. He doesnt have any interest in a normal conversation. All he does is spread misinformation about Bitcoin and repeats "greater fool" 5 times in a row.

FJB says

Rich boomers in the SF bay area don't have to they are set

Every single rich person I know owns some Bitcoin. Rich in my world means a net worth of several million USD. I am not saying they got rich by buying Bitcoin, I am saying they understand that some exposure of your net worth should be invested in crypto.

FJB says

Onvacation says

OK.
Say you bought a coin for 20k. At what price would you sell? 100k? 500k? How much would someone have to pay you before you would be willing to part with that coin?

Have you ever traded a stock? Have you ever looked at trading view? Do you know how to use technical indicators (very basic) like RSI and MACD? I will buy when the current trend reverses and sell when that trend is reversing.

so no answer

FJB says

I'm going to buy a cat sailboat with part of my bitcorn earnings someday

You got to live your dreams as you go. You can't wait for bitcoin to "go to the moon" before you buy your boat.

If you don't know how to sail, take lessons. If you want to live on a boat, but a boat and live on it.

Onvacation says

so no answer

The answer is it's not about a price point as much as it is about technical indicators.

Onvacation says

You got to live your dreams as you go. You can't wait for bitcoin to "go to the moon" before you buy your boat.

I won't have to if I sell my Maui condo but I'd like to keep it.

Onvacation says

If you don't know how to sail, take lessons. If you want to live on a boat, but a boat and live on it.

Yup, grew up sailing!

FJB says

The answer is it's not about a price point as much as it is about technical indicators.

Like when the democrats steal an election and need to pay off some foreign actors? Or maybe when a Saudi prince needs to pay for a new harem of enslaved children? Those technical indicators?

FJB says

I won't have to if I sell my Maui condo but I'd like to keep it.

If you're so wealthy why are you dealing with a scam like crypto?

No assets, no dividends, no security, massive amounts of energy to keep the scam going; the only way to make money with crypto is to find a fool willing to pay you more than you paid. Tell me how I'm wrong?

I'm not going to answer anymore questions until you answer mine. You have yet to answer a single one of my questions @Onvacation. Here is another: How come you use Vox for your investment advice? I'm mean. Come on. Vox?

Here is another, do you think you're wiser than Chris Miller, a billionaire who's put 50% of his personal wealth in bitcoin? Not to mention the many others.

https://www.thestreet.com/investing/cryptocurrency/fund-manager-bill-miller-says-50-personal-wealth-in-bitcoin?source=patrick.net

Chris is falling for a scam? Chris is just part of the ponzi? If so, only one of the many billionaires makes out eh? The rest are fools right?

FJB says

Here is another, do you think you're wiser than Chris Miller, a billionaire who's put 50% of his personal wealth in bitcoin? Not to mention the many others.

https://www.thestreet.com/investing/cryptocurrency/fund-manager-bill-miller-says-50-personal-wealth-in-bitcoin?source=patrick.net

Chris is falling for a scam? Chris is just part of the ponzi? If so, only one of the many billionaires makes out eh? The rest are fools right?

How do we know he's not lying?

FuckCCP89 says

How do we know he's not lying?

I suppose that is possible. Bitcoin isn't anonymous like many people think but it's possible if he has some other entity like greyscale managing his keys for him.

FJB says

I'm not going to answer anymore questions

You haven't answered any questions!

Not that I was expecting any cogent defense of cryptocurrency. It's a scam.

FJB says

Chris is falling for a scam

That's too bad.

Onvacation says

You haven't answered any questions!

Not that I was expecting any cogent defense of cryptocurrency. It's a scam.

BS, and all I get back from you is a combo of the blue screen of death and a broken record.

Funny, when this vox misinfo thread was started BTC was ~15K. Even after falling from it's highs it's up well over 100%. It was already an old article when this was posted and it's still up over 350% since then lol...

FJB says

it's still up over 350%

Every time it goes down 50% it has to go up 100% to get back to even.

No assets, no dividends, no way to make money except finding a bigger fool to buy your flashdrive.

No assets, no dividends, no way to make money except finding a bigger fool to buy your green back or it's 1s and 0s equivalent.

So you think the dollar is a scam or a ponzi?

Your 50% number applies to other things as well like stocks.

Meaningless arguments.

Tip: The dollar isn't 'money', it's only 'currency' since 1971. It's debt or an IOU. Gold and bitcorn are money.

More blue screen of death and repetitive low information remarks coming up!

FJB says

More blue screen of death and repetitive low information remarks coming up!

At least with OV you get short sweet comments, unlike the dufus who says he hates crypto, calls it a scam to save everyone from evil crypto... Just so he can make some bogus statement and claim on how rich and elitist he is. It's hilarious so I let him know it's the internet he can be anyone he wishes even an ignorant imbecile...

FJB says

How come you use Vox for your investment advice? I'm mean. Come on. Vox?

Lol

To sum it up:
OV, a boomer who "invests" in silver coins and a matchbox car, takes "investment" advice by Vox, and hates Crypto and blockchain.
+ Repeats "greater fool" in every other sentence.


No surprises here I'd say :)

FJB says

this vox misinfo thread

"it’s a colossal pump-and-dump scheme, the likes of which the world has never seen. In a pump-and-dump game, promoters “pump” up the price of a security creating a speculative frenzy, then “dump” some of their holdings at artificially high prices."

Do you disagree with Vox? What did they get wrong?

Cash says

it's the internet he can be anyone he wishes even an ignorant imbecile...

Yup.

Onvacation says

"it’s a colossal pump-and-dump scheme, the likes of which the world has never seen. In a pump-and-dump game, promoters “pump” up the price of a security creating a speculative frenzy, then “dump” some of their holdings at artificially high prices."

Do you disagree with Vox? What did they get wrong?

Great question and yes I disagree 100%. They got all of it wrong. You see @Onvacation the guy who wrote that article in Vox is a slimy weasel who fooled you. It's simply a hit piece from a moron with a conflict of interest. He doesn't believe any of that which I will demonstrate below. Also bitcorn is property not a security only the alt-coins are securities.

First Bill is a former CEO of Paypal but he only lasted one month because he's a moron, who was messing things up and was asked to leave. Paypal states that it's great he's gone:

https://www.globalnonviolence.org/paid-for-the-language-paypal-ceo-who-called-bitcoin-biggest-scam-in-history-lasted-a-month-in-office/?source=patrick.net
Controversial co-founder of PayPal Bill Harris defined Bitcoin as a „coup“ in 2018, but his departure was decisive for the company to accept cryptomoedas.

You see Paypal knows what's up. They either get into crypto or they die. (Personally I hope they die) They're even making their own crypto. Even the credit card companies are getting into it because they too, don't want to die. I suspect they probably will, they are too late. Bitcoin (not to mention ETH which has done more) is already clearing more transactions than VISA:

https://www.benzinga.com/markets/cryptocurrency/22/01/25251600/bitcoin-annual-settlement-volume-exceeded-that-of-visa-last-year-at-1-3b?source=patrick.net

ol' @richwicks on here was rambling on about how this is impossible because he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Back to Bill though - your guy who inspired you to start this thread. Bill is a lying MF. You know what Bill has been up to? Well, he dubiously moved to what is basically Silicon Valley but for crypto in Florida and plans to start a 'global digital bank':

https://www.thenextmiami.com/nirvana-technology-will-hire-200-tech-employees-in-wynwood-with-plans-to-build-a-global-digital-bank/?source=patrick.net

Now you might say to yourself, "Hey, we have those already. Internet banks that do transactions with 1011010001010". You'd be right. One of my favorites is this one:

https://redneck.bank/?source=patrick.net

I Iike to chase the fly around with my mouse.

But this is different. You see, Bill is an anti-American snake (and you thought you were saving people from demoncrats and middle eastern rapists) who appears to want to screw us all.

Fortunately, it's been a while and Bill hasn't seemed to be able to hire many people yet. Here is his company:

https://nirvana.tech/?source=patrick.net

They've got like 10 people so far. Why can't he hire people there? My guess is that there are too many way better projects and the developers have some principles. The person with a discriminating eye may notice at least 2 of them are former Ripple developers.

Oh well that's interesting isn't it. XRP is a crypto. It's not any I'd buy now because it's a fiat crypto that Christine Lagarde wants to use at the IMF to get rid of the dollar (for the most part) and create a global crypto currency that the IMF controls. That's like an order of magnitude worse than our own central bank CBDC I asked you about that you never answered:

https://fee.org/articles/imf-head-predicts-the-end-of-banking-and-the-triumph-of-cryptocurrency/?source=patrick.net

So it looks like your buddy Bill has a conflict of interest and is trying to start a global 'digital' (really XRP) bank despite his BS claims - but I can't prove that yet because they're somewhat quiet but the writing is on the wall. If so it gets even funnier. All that crap he talks about related to securities dumps you quoted. Well, the US SEC shut down XRP because to them it looks like they may have been doing that:

https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2020-338?source=patrick.net
Press Release
SEC Charges Ripple and Two Executives with Conducting $1.3 Billion Unregistered Securities Offering

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

(Not laughing at you @OnVacation, I'd rather laugh with you everyone makes mistakes)

Could Bill Harris be any more of a cuck sucker than he already is? LOL

If you think you'll be sucking air for another 20 years or so I recommend you get one of them thar crypto flash drives, open an account and buy $10 worth of Satoshis. Just so you know how to do it if the time comes and you want to move quickly.

Start following the news about this a bit better. It's pretty much daily I'm reading stuff like this for 1.5 years:

https://www.benzinga.com/markets/cryptocurrency/22/01/25295734/bill-to-make-bitcoin-legal-tender-in-arizona-introduced-what-you-need-to-know?source=patrick.net

Like our asshoe governor said when he was mayor of SF and allowing gay marriage despite the referendum banning it:

"This is going to happen!"