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richwicks says

What I have to laugh about is that suddenly, people have found their humanity suddenly. They didn't care when the US bombed Iraq over a non existent weapons of mass destruction program, or when they returned Libya to civil war and left it with slavery markets, nor when they bombed Syria back to the stone age for Genie Energy. They don't care when Israel spends 70 years bombing the native inhabitants or just outright murders them to expand settlements, the war in Yemen doesn't matter no matter how many people are killed, it doesn't even matter when they were dropping bombs on Afghanistan when there's no mission objective at all for that war.

But when RUSSIA goes to a war, oh my - the HUMANITY!

People are unprincipled easily led sheep.

Correct. It was not that long ago when one user known by handle "richwicks" was going on two-page rants about how wrong and criminal Iraq war was in every fuckin thread no matter the subject. Now he's all: "meh, so Russia kills Ukrainians on some bullshit pretext, big fucking deal, nothing to see there". A truly unpricipled easily led sheep, that one.

Eric Holder says

Correct. It was not that long ago when one user known by handle "richwicks" was going on two-page rants about how wrong and criminal Iraq war was in every fuckin thread no matter the subject.

That's right. You know what my problem with that war was? We don't know why it was fought and since then, it is now completely permissible for the United States to start a war, without even having a mission objective. It's been that way ever since.

Eric Holder says

Now he's all: "meh, so Russia kills Ukrainians on some bullshit pretext, big fucking deal, nothing to see there".

Do you understand the difference between the United States, the country I live in, going to war versus Russia, a country I DON'T live in going to war?

War damages the nation. The US has been in 7 wars since 2000. In what way have any of these wars helped this nation? Name any way it has helped this nation. You can't even name the countries the US has been at war with, and you don't give a shit. None of you care about the people killed in war, even when you're paying for it, to your detriment and my detriment and the entire nation's detriment. You're paying for this and so am I.

I don't care if Russia damages itself. The only thing I care about, is that the United States not get involved any more than they ALREADY have in Ukraine. Now if Russians are against the war, I sympathize with them, I sympathize with the Ukrainians being against the war as well. This war was totally unnecessary, all Russia (said they) wanted was for Ukraine to remain neutral and abide by the Minsk Accords, but the Minsky Accords - that's to pacify the Russian population - it's a fake humanitarian reason.

You understand the difference don't you? You understand that it's entirely reasonable to have different rules or MY nation than another nation, don't you?

Eric Holder says

A truly unpricipled easily led sheep, that one.

I don't think so. You root for whatever your government tells you to root for, even if it harms the nation. The US has predators in power. You know this. Let me demonstrate this:

Name everything that our government has done or changed since George H Bush, William Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama, or Joe Biden has done that YOU believe was beneficial for this nation? I can list pages of negative things that have been done under those administrations.

I don't think you know what a principle is. You just support what you're programmed to support. Demonstrate I'm wrong, and show me you are capable of thinking and you have principles. List all the great and good things that our Federal government has done in the last 35 years. I bet you can't list 5 of them, and if you're able to struggle enough to do that, I'll demonstrate how you misunderstand what was done and you're just promoting them because you're repeating the propaganda narrative.

> richwicks

Since you and morality don't mix well I'll leave the moral part of the equation aside for now. Let's just focus on the technical part. Are you saying that US should go back on the pledge that it made in Budapest memorandum?

Yes or No?

socal2 says

My whole life - Leftists and our Garbage Media has been trying to whitewash the manifest crimes of the Communists. It wasn't but a few years ago Obama was mocking Romney for pointing out the obvious threats from Putin and Russia. Hillary was busy doing photo-ops with Lavrov with the famous reset button and basically handing over Georgia and Crimea to Russia without a peep.

They're doing it now, except it's for the Megacorp Socialists.

Remember how much whinging you heard when Russia did the "Don't indoctrinate with Gay" law a few years ago from the Media? And the SJW priest-beating, altar-destroying Pussy Riot? And they got "art" grants from the US Government?

This bitch, again:

In a later announcement, the U.S. State Department issued an official message of concern over Friday’s verdict. Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said that “The United States is concerned about both the verdict and the disproportionate sentences handed down by a Moscow court in the case against the members of the band Pussy Riot and the negative impact on freedom of expression in Russia. We urge Russian authorities to review this case and ensure that the right to freedom of expression is upheld.”

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-xpm-2012-aug-17-la-et-ms-pussy-riot-new-single-state-department-20120817-story.html
Article is from 2011.

mostly reader says

> richwicks

Since you and morality don't mix well

I've just come to accept morality has nothing to do with it, because it doesn't. In evolutionary psychology, morality is derived from long term survival, or that's the hypothesis. Since people won't deal with the morality abstraction, I concentrate on long term self interest, but people just entrust their long term survival to people like Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Mitt Romney, Barack Obama, George W. Bush and other obvious garbage. They stubbornly think these people are acting (somehow, they can't define it) in their interests, when they obviously aren't. It's frustrating.

mostly reader says

Let's just focus on the technical part. Are you saying that US should go back on the pledge that it made in Budapest memorandum?

I don't know. Let me look up the Budapest memorandum...

https://web.archive.org/web/20140317182201/http://www.cfr.org/arms-control-disarmament-and-nonproliferation/budapest-memorandums-security-assurances-1994/p32484?source=patrick.net

The United States is in violation of 1) when they conspired to overthrow Yanukovych in 2014 in a coup under the guise of a revolution

I'll have to read the Nuclear Non Proliferation treaty to give you a full answer, but the United States already violated the Budapest memorandum. They should have upheld it.

Port of Berdyansk. Russian war ship...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7g5ZVwDqLRg&source=patrick.net

https://mobile.twitter.com/CovertShores/status/1506900560167026690


https://mobile.twitter.com/ua_industrial/status/1506923447036882944

socal2 says

I am more than happy to have my tax dollars spent on weapons to bleed Putin and Russia's military dry

I'm not. Why don't you just donate to Ukraine's GoFundMe instead of volunteering everyone's money.

How about we spend some money to investigate the corruption that led to the POTUSes son getting paid to work on Ukrainian energy board and why we have bio labs in foreign countries?

socal2 says

I just don't get all of the over the top hate on Zelensky and Ukraine by some folks.

Some folks don't like being manipulated by propaganda.

Onvacation says

Some folks don't like being manipulated by propaganda.

Yeah - It is tough to know what to believe.

Maybe if they can make up their mind and stick to one narrative it would be easier?

Is Zelensky a secret Jewish Nazi or is he a globalist homo that likes to dance in high heels?

https://mobile.twitter.com/CovertShores/status/1506996489205297158?source=patrick.net

Onvacation says

How about we spend some money to investigate the corruption that led to the POTUSes son getting paid to work on Ukrainian energy board and why we have bio labs in foreign countries?

I think we can do all of the above.

If Conservatives are smart and don't go bat-shit crazy gobbling down Putin's propaganda calling Zelensky and Ukrainian homo Nazis and denying all of the evidence we see of a stalled Russian military campaign with burning Russian naval ships and tanks, we'd be able to use Ukraine to hammer Leftists on:

- Energy independence
- Biden/Clinton corruption in Ukraine
- Biden and Harris' total weakness in world affairs
- Importance of election security
- Secure borders

All the while watching Putin embarrass himself around the world for having a 3rd rate army.

Biden is getting no credit or bounce on Ukraine. But some on the Right are giving the Democrats and our garbage media a life-line with over the top rhetoric which they will use to hammer us in the midterms.

Eric Holder says

richwicks says

ChauvinsKnee says

richwicks says

I think Ukraine has no hope in this war, and should have never fought it, they should immediately surrender.

Not everybody is a cuck.

@ChauvinsKnee People like you are so full of shit.

Ukraine is accepting volunteers to fight. I'll buy you a plane ticket if you like, but I see you off at the gate.

You mother fuckers just love war, until you have to fight it. Fucking warmongering chickenhawks. The US has been at 20 years of war, what good has any of the wars been for this nation, or the people of this nation? But you braying asses keep clamoring for it, as if it shows some bravery to do it.

It's pretty clear that Ukrainians do not share your ideas...

Im from Ukraine and have relatives and friends in there. I can tell you that most people dont give a shit who rules them. All they want is prosperity and peace. This is not war for freedom or against natzis. Its war between clans on who controls country. There was not much difference between Zelensky and Poroshenko clans. They all corrupt as hell.
Putin is idiot for starting invasion. Zelensky is idiot for provoking and not calming down situation. None of this would happen if they both really cared about ppl.

Minime says

Im from Ukraine and have relatives and friends in there. I can tell you that most people dont give a shit who rules them. All they want is prosperity and peace.

According to my colleagues in Ukraine this is the type of people they call "wata" ("cotton"?) there. =)) Nobody said these types don't exist - they do, but it was great miscalculation by Putin to assume they are in the majority. Apparently they are not.

It's OK, we had fucking loyalists during American Revolutionary War too.

PS. And how's that "prosperity and peace" going on for the Putin's subjects?

Eric Holder says

And how's that "prosperity and peace" going on for the Putin's subjects

"subjects" is the exactly correct term.

Eric Holder says

Minime says

Im from Ukraine and have relatives and friends in there. I can tell you that most people dont give a shit who rules them. All they want is prosperity and peace.

According to my colleagues in Ukraine this is the type of people they call "wata" ("cotton"?) there. =)) Nobody said these types don't exist - they do, but it was great miscalculation by Putin to assume they are in the majority. Apparently they are not.

It's OK, we had fucking loyalists during American Revolutionary War too.

PS. And how's that "prosperity and peace" going on for the Putin's subjects?

There are wars worth fighting for and then there are wars for power. If you cant tell difference between those then you either young or full of shit. This war sold to young generation as for freedom. If you talk to real ppl there majority dont care.

As for peace and prosperity im talking about ppl in Ukraine. Russia will suffer greatly too as i have friends there.

Growup. There is no black and white in life

Minime says

If you talk to real ppl there majority dont care.

If you said that most people didn't care until Feb. 23, I'd confirm. But that's not what you are doing, you are saying that nobody cares today. That is a lie.

There are collaborators, and there's wata, but by large Russians are now HATED WITH PASSION everywhere in Ukraine except the Donetsk/Lugansk areas. That's a big problem for Putin: even if he wins, which is now very doubtful, his puppet government won't survive more than a week. And when I say "survive" I mean it in the most basic, physical sense.

Im with you on Putin. This criminal and his olugarchs need to be removed.

On fighting i dont know anyone of my contacts there who wants to fight. Name me one good reason why you would risk your life there. And dont use general words like freedom or my country. They been abused by governments. All i know that things didnt change much between last 4 governments from regular Joe point of view. Its stil corrupt and people are poor as fuck.

Minime says

On fighting i dont know anyone of my contacts there who wants to fight.

In what sense? "I've been drafted but I don't want to fight" or "I'm on sidelines and don't want to get involved" ? Just so I understand the profile of the people to which you refer.

Because, see, it's clear that there's no shortage of fighters there. It's also clear that your contacts are not them. This is just to profile them more accurately.

Minime says

Name me one good reason why you would risk your life there.

You are asking a wrong person because I'm not there. You should ask those on the front line. Or those getting ready to greet the "liberators" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlWKrxLBsss&source=patrick.net Or those who lost their loved ones. Or even women who are safe in Poland but lost their homes. Although in either case I suggest that you do it remotely, to avoid bodily harm.

Minime says

On fighting i dont know anyone of my contacts there who wants to fight. Name me one good reason why you would risk your life there.

Isn't it a basic human emotion to want to defend your family and country when an aggressor nation invades and kills a bunch of people?

The US was constantly told that killing Jihadis in Afghanistan and Iraq would radicalize moderate Muslims to hate America if they accidentally killed a family member or damaged property.

Wars have way of uniting and defining a nation. Ukraine's story and history is being written now.

Onvacation says

socal2 says

I am more than happy to have my tax dollars spent on weapons to bleed Putin and Russia's military dry

I'm not. Why don't you just donate to Ukraine's GoFundMe instead of volunteering everyone's money.

How about we spend some money to investigate the corruption that led to the POTUSes son getting paid to work on Ukrainian energy board and why we have bio labs in foreign countries?

Yeah, they can pay for it since they are impoverishing Ukraine. A mafia runs Ukraine, and it's OUR mafia that is running it. Ukrainians are just caught up in the middle and they are every bit as brainwashed as most Americans are.

socal2 says

Onvacation says

Some folks don't like being manipulated by propaganda.

Yeah - It is tough to know what to believe.

Not really. Whatever our government is promoting is the wrong thing to support. That's pretty much been the rule for 20 years.

Were they right about any of the wars?
Were they right about bailing out the criminals on wall street in 2007 and 2008 instead of prosecuting them?
Were they right about passing the ACA that only made it illegal not to carry health insurance, and imposed a $2,000 fine on those that couldn't afford it?
Were they right about LGBTQ+ advocacy?
Were they right to overthrow Ukraine?
Were they right about abortion - up to the day of birth?
Were they right about sars-cov2-19 being a pandemic?
Were they right about the vaccines?
Were they right about Russian Collusion?

Oh, but they're right Ukraine..

Nah, doubt it.

They have a 100% track record of failure.

socal2 says

Is Zelensky a secret Jewish Nazi or is he a globalist homo that likes to dance in high heels?

Probably just an actor hired by the deep state.

Zelensky is probably a masochist who likes to be ass shlonged by Nazis after being painted all over in swastikas.

socal2 says

The US was constantly told that killing Jihadis in Afghanistan and Iraq would radicalize moderate Muslims to hate America if they accidentally killed a family member or damaged property.

Americans were also told by the Media and the Government that Jihad was only an internal mental struggle (tell this to the Vandals, Byzantines, Sicilians, Hindus...) and that it was absolutely unacceptable to have any anti-Muslim prejudice whatsoever.

Weeks ago, Facebook lifted their ban on Azov Battalion and allowed generic "Kill Russians" to be posted.

Aerial liberator moved underground:

https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1507113011328266253?source=patrick.net

Underwater liberator:

https://mobile.twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1506997848348446722?source=patrick.net

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZxw02x0rvw&source=patrick.net - a landing ship destroyed. The cargo was estimated at about 20 tanks and 40 armored personnel carriers, plus 400 Russian marines.

There's something very special about this one. TV channel of the Russian Ministry of Defense "Zvezda" ("The Star") has announced that the ship entered the port of Berdyansk. The greeting from Ukrainians followed shortly after. "Zvezda" was highly commended by the Ukrainian military. Good job, "Zvezda"!

mostly reader says

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZxw02x0rvw&source=patrick.net - a landing ship destroyed. The cargo was estimated at about 20 tanks and 40 armored personnel carriers, plus 400 Russian marines.

There's something very special about this one. TV channel of the Russian Ministry of Defense "Zvezda" ("The Star") has announced that the ship entered the port of Berdyansk. The greeting from Ukrainians followed shortly after. "Zvezda" was highly commended by the Ukrainian military. Good job, "Zvezda"!

48 hour rule applies.

Could simply be a gas explosion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRdEioaXWC0&source=patrick.net

Also, just a pre-warning about any Phosphorous BS. White Phosphorous is legal and was used by the US in Vietnam, Iraq, etc. for decades.


Mosul 2017 and Falluja, 2004:
https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/06/13/532809626/u-s-led-coalition-has-used-white-phosphorous-in-fight-for-mosul-general-says?source=patrick.net

US forces yesterday made their clearest admission yet that white phosphorus was used as a weapon against insurgents in Iraq. A Pentagon spokesman told the BBC last night that it had been used as "an incendiary weapon" during the assault last year on Falluja in 2004.

Lieutenant Colonel Barry Venable said the substance, which can be used to lay smokescreens but burns down to the bone in contact with skin, was not covered by international conventions on chemical weapons.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/16/iraq.usa

Some smoke and illumination munitions have a Phosphorous ignition system, or contain some Phosphorous, which is also not a chemical weapon. It looks like a little cloud with "fingers" extending down from it.

AmericanKulak says

48 hour rule applies.

Could simply be a gas explosion.

You are not paying attention. I just gave you a lot more details than your media sources do.

mostly reader says

You are not paying attention. I just gave you a lot more details than your media sources do.

You mean some non-English Youtube Channel most people never heard of has a video on it.

"Ukraine reported" is a huge red flag. We'll see. They could have left explosives there or a thousand other things. Don't know where the missile big enough (an ATGM wouldn't do that) would have come from since the place is occupied for many miles around, but who knows. We'll see.

One thing I've learned is to let days go between easily disprovable claims, and a few months to a year go by for the biggies. Like Mask Efficacy, Vaccine Dangers, Hotel Bed Pee-Pee Allegations, Laptops full of Crack and LLC Money transfers from China are Russian Disinfo, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHm7pu7Unu0&source=patrick.net

Weird. Clothes hang different, loose not fitted as always with Biden. Bottom teeth completely different. Do they even care about consistency any more?

Ceffer says

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHm7pu7Unu0&source=patrick.net

Weird. Clothes hang different, loose not fitted as always with Biden. Bottom teeth completely different. Do they even care about consistency any more?

Does it matter if there's multiple people playing the part?

Biden is obviously a puppet. It doesn't even matter if he's a CGI deep fake.

The second picture looks like one of those realistic plastic masks to me.

Patrick says

The second picture looks like one of those realistic plastic masks to me.

Isn't it funny we're at the point where we're pontificating if our current president is a literal actor 1/2 the time? We're not banana republic, we're banana split sundae republic!

original link


Take from it what you will.

I appreciate he constantly cautions that you cannot trust anything, but that you can draw a conclusion over time based on what pieces of the puzzle fit together.

AmericanKulak says

You mean some non-English Youtube Channel most people never heard of has a video on it.

My track record here is nearly perfect, in terms of predictions and reports. I earlier explained how to tell if your process holds water. That was apparently wasted on you.

You started this thread, right? And you meant the title in the most serious way, haven't you? The fact that it turned into a laughing stock as fast as it did should've been a hint from the universe that you should revisit yours.

Another general bites the dust. Yakov Ryazantsev, the commander of the 49th Combined Arms Army. Also, a "hero" of Syria.

Rest in pieces, comrade.

mostly reader says

AmericanKulak says

You mean some non-English Youtube Channel most people never heard of has a video on it.

My track record here is nearly perfect, in terms of predictions and reports. I earlier explained how to tell if your process holds water. That was apparently wasted on you.

You started this thread, right? And you meant the title in the most serious way, haven't you? The fact that it turned into the laughing stock as fast as it did should've been a hint from the universe that you should revisit yours.

LOL, sure Jan. Also I explained way in the beginning of the thread it was sarcastic. I'm actually surprised at the relatively tepid resistance, though I did expect Azov Battalion to resist the best as it was an all volunteer group of true believers, who typically fight hardest. My opinion is that Putin went in too soft, that the resistance was greater than he was told, but it's nowhere near the level asserted by NWO Propaganda outfits.

I think you're a Faux Skeptic, only showing up to defend Status Quo ideas with biased "Skepticism", and your position on Mask Efficacy is totally exploded.

TBH I don't often bother to read your posts for this reason.

AmericanKulak says

"Ukraine reported" is a huge red flag.

Of course it is, pretty much everything you hear is a lie. The only thing that is a fact is that there are plenty of Russian speaking people that want to belong to Russia in the Ukraine, that's why the donbass and crimea conflicts have been smoldering for so long, too long without any serious diplomacy trying to address and fix them. But people like propaganda, gives a better sense of belonging. It's very powerful