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I've heard that from guys who didn't bother to save and invest.

Still, the million dollar balance impresses the chicks and pays for lunch out.

clambo says

I've heard that from guys who didn't bother to save and invest.

Still, the million dollar balance impresses the chicks and pays for lunch out.

Exactly, that’s why diversity in finances is important. Set percentages for Spend, Save/Invest, Give. Then you’re not just investing all of your leftovers after living a life on beans and rice, or you’re not winding up on the street when you’ve been living like the money runs out before the end of the month and why the hell can’t I retire.

Nothing worse than juvenile rentiers.

Is it more than politics here?... Doe the grooming really happens.. as we have seen with Punter Xiden.
Kinds shouldn't be football between politicians.. Disney and grooming are very serious charges and we must protect our precious children.
One of these two must go to jail. US needs to put lot more anti-children politicians in jail.

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Republicans have attempted to position themselves as the party of parental rights, with state legislatures across the country introducing a series of bills targeting the LGBTQ community, with those opposing the legislation being labeled as “groomers.” They’ve also targeted books that discuss race and gender while attempting to make it illegal for parents to seek gender-affirming care for transgender children. Prominent right-wing media figures have focused on anti-LGBTQ attacks in recent weeks.

FarmersWon says

Republicans have attempted to position themselves as the party of parental rights

Well let’s be honest, they didn’t have to try very hard, the democrats have made it clear they want to bombard the children with LGBTQ indoctrination and it literally flipped a state from blue to red. Democrats created the “parental rights voting bloc”, not Republicans.

If they are for sexualizing young preschoolers and schoolers period for that matter, then they are.

Sometimes it's more than a label, it's their fucking brand.

clambo says

I've heard that from guys who didn't bother to save and invest.

Oh, I have saved quite well. And quite a bit is in cash. My comment was a remark on the current inflation and the likelihood inflation will continue to rise.

FarmersWon says

Growing trend of Republicans labeling their Democratic opponents as groomers and Disneys.

"If the shoe fits, wear it."

Democrats are almost all for teaching children to approve of gayness. This is very wrong, because it encourages children to become gay, which leads to disease, misery, and early death.

No one was ever born gay. It is all rationalization for a very destructive vice. All of it.

Patrick says

FarmersWon says

Growing trend of Republicans labeling their Democratic opponents as groomers and Disneys.

"If the shoe fits, wear it."

Democrats are almost all for teaching children to approve of gayness. This is very wrong, because it encourages children to become gay, which leads to disease, misery, and early death.

No one was ever born gay. It is all rationalization for a very destructive vice. All of it.

@patrick, My concern is that Disney used to be extremely serious crime and that's How i like it to stay.
My concern is that it is losing its bite.. Disney should just have only one path to gallows.

Gayness etc. should be fought but Disney shouldn't be used lightly.
Can The republicans bring charges .. answer is no.. So end result would be that real Disney will walk free...if not already doing.
I just feel disgusted at pedos ..

@patrick
Have you done something to your site P----PHILIA changes to disney?

FarmersWon says

Have you done something to your site P----PHILIA changes to disney?

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Disney&source=patrick.net

Yes, it's a serious crime, that will be taken seriously, when it becomes synonymous with a multi-billion dollar company who is promoting it.

richwicks says

FarmersWon says

Have you done something to your site P----PHILIA changes to disney?

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Disney&source=patrick.net

Yes, it's a serious crime, that will be taken seriously, when it becomes synonymous with a multi-billion dollar company who is promoting it.

So it is some spellchecker SW @patrick uses?.. As this automatically happens.

Hindoo's Disney father!
https://patrick.net/post/1344722/2022-04-21-hindoo-land-s-father-was-disney-punish-

@FarmersWon Yes, I implemented a user suggestion to replace all mentions of p-e-d-o with Disney.

See:

https://patrick.net/post/1277846?560#comment-1835301

Patrick says

@FarmersWon Yes, I implemented a user suggestion to replace all mentions of p-e-d-o with Disney.

See:

https://patrick.net/post/1277846?560#comment-1835301

Cool.
Walt Disney must be rolling in grave.
(If he was cremated, I don't know equivalent quote).. Funny thing one old guy from Panjab told me once that Muslims have so much oil as they bury and their dead bodies become oil.

@FarmersWon I undid that just now, so pedophilia remains pedophilia.

Too confusing for people who don't know about the automatic change, and it makes it hard for people to actually use the word here.

If Elon takes over Twitter, I may well apply for a job there just to be part of something good.

Patrick says

If Elon takes over Twitter, I may well apply for a job there just to be part of something good.

In this case, I recommend contacting him directly.

If you get recruited through the usual corporate circuit, you'll have to put up with a lot organizational horseshit & then, being at Twitter will be like any other job.

If Elon learns about how you managed this website, eliminating personal-attacking trolls, etc, while maintaining the discussions on subjects deemed "too taboo" for mainstream media, then Elon may make you the content moderator for the new Twitter, moving ahead.

A few reminder about our neurally linked friend Mr. Musk:

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-dad-errol-fathered-child-with-stepdaughter-2018-3?source=patrick.net

NuttBoxer says

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-dad-errol-fathered-child-with-stepdaughter-2018-3?source=patrick.net

Well, my dad has Narcissistic Personality Disorder and my sister, Histrionic Personality Disorder.

Despite that, I'm PatNet's anti-Covid crusader.

You see, no one can help which family one was born into. The most one can do is pull oneself up by the bootstraps to make one's own way in the world.

Rin says

You see, no one can help which family one was born into. The most one can do is pull oneself up by the bootstraps to make one's own way in the world.

In between the sex bot and lube posts, Rin drops the odd diamond once in a while.

Rin says

You see, no one can help which family one was born into. The most one can do is pull oneself up by the bootstraps to make one's own way in the world.

My family was no picnic either, yet my parents still avoided incest and pedophilia, and have not posed with Maxwell, or posed giving the Eye of Horus.

DooDahMan says

Religion can help you with your conclusions, but you shouldn’t just have religion as a substitute for where your soul should be.

Be careful you're not replacing religion with state propaganda or mistaking morality with state propaganda...

I was a very outspoken atheist at one point, but over time I soon realized that perhaps its best that most people are controlled by a religion. People who are controlled by the state - a completely amoral goal oriented organization which is ENTIRELY self serving - are the worst. I would argue that "woke" people are entirely state controlled. What the state tells them is "right", is. Coronavirus, slava ukraini, mostly peaceful protests, January 6th "insurrection", "trans-rights are human rights", bomb Libya "to prevent a humanitarian crisis", bomb Syria "to prevent Assad from gassing his own people", "we can't wait for the final proof to come in the form of a mushroom cloud" - they'll believe any complete bullshit of the state and will violently resist you if you point out that the state is lying or deceiving them.

Vulcan Logic: The needs of the many....

It's a defeatist problem, if the only way he "Thought" he could save them is to kill the fat man, then it would be murder. What happens when it fails and the five people get killed anyway? It's murder, the practical solution would be to derail the trolley before the bridge.
Why didn't the stinking commie philosopher suggest jumping to your death from your side of the bridge, in which case the fat man wouldn't even be in your way. Sounds like the commie just wanted the fat man dead, and didn't consider any ramifications. People like him shouldn't be paid to think .

DooDahMan says

richwicks says

What the state tells them is "right", is.

What is the "state" ?

The entity that points a gun to your head and says "don't worry, I'm taking this from you for your own good!"

DooDahMan says

People who belive they have seen the light or are being told the real "truth" will also believe any complete bullshit of the "state" and will violently resist you if you point out that the state is lying or deceiving them.

Skeptics realize there is no ultimate authority of "truth", but the state certainly isn't. People who have never changed their mind, are hardly people.

DooDahMan says

It seems that it depends which side of the fence one is on

It is not a fence. People are CONSTANTLY given false dichotomies. Like do you support Ukraine or Russia? How about if you just want to see the war be ended because the outcome of the conflict is just a bunch of dead people and a new Cold War being started? This is a war between two oligarchs with different goals. I think the purpose of the oligarchs in Ukraine is to weaken Russia and they have no real ties to Ukraine, and I think the goal of Russia is keep Russia together and NATO out because they see Europe as a collapsing empire.

But that's inconceivable to most people that I don't take "a side". You have to get on one side of the fence..

DooDahMan says

Any examples of a "moral" goal oriented organization which is not ENTIRELY self serving ?

I've never found one, even in charities, there's always a grift somewhere.

It has to be individual.

DooDahMan says

richwicks says

best that most people are controlled by a religion

Any particular religion in mind ?

No, not in particular. Religions that are overall harmful are attacked over time and die out.

DooDahMan says

What about the religions that do not align with your viewpoint(s) ?

No religion aligns with my viewpoints.

Looks like I'm not the only one who watches Zach and Ray. I'm still wondering what happened with Zach's former Volvo.

Tenpoundbass says

What happens when it fails and the five people get killed anyway?

Yeah, why would anybody expect a fat man to be able to stop a trolley? That would never occur to me to be true. You're given an invalid premise, that is killing a fat man would save 4. It would just kill 5.

I say there are no circumstances under which it is moral to deliberately kill an innocent person.

Patrick says

I say there are no circumstances under which it is moral to deliberately kill an innocent person.

Agreed

DooDahMan says

Patrick says

I say there are no circumstances under which it is moral to deliberately kill an innocent person.

But it happens all over the world

Start with abortion, the in most cases murdering and in some cases killing of innocent life

DooDahMan says

1967

No accident (no pun intended) it came up in that year, the beginning of our societal decay. It was the beginning of what was called "values clarification" that began being promoted in high schools during the 1970's when real education, learning the "three "R's" was all but abandoned, nothing was right or wrong. By the early 80's, it was obvious that schools were turning out young people unable to proceed with basic college courses without extensive remediation. It prompted the 1984 book A Nation at Risk.

Ok here is my solution to the which track trolley solution: (not original).

Wait until the front wheels pass the track switch... flip the switch. The back wheels take the other track. The trolley now turns its linear energy into rotational energy and derails, stopping before killing anyone. (Or if you are a maniac, killing everyone) :)

Fun. I call it the Kirk.

They have been ridiculously overpaying for used jalopies for years now. It had to catch up to them eventually.

Well, that's crazy. That's a subsidy of almost $5,000 per vehicle sold. Not going to t make that up on volume....

DooDahMan says

mell says

most cases murdering and in some cases killing of innocent life

Getting confused here - is this to mean not all fetuses are innocent ?

No they all are. What it means is that most if the time abortion is premeditated and for lowly reasons such as career or money or stress reduction, which is murder, and in some cases killing, such as abortion as a consequence of rape resulting in pregnancy, or some snap decisions based on emotions or physical or mental sickness.

HunterTits says

The SDC Utopians were those who INSISTED that SDCs (Self Driving Cars) were going to be perfect! Far superior to human drivers.

If every car was self driving, probably they would be far superior to human pilots.

Not that I want that, the technology would be abused and misused.

There will never be an end to accidents in my opinion, and the technology for computer piloted cars I think is in its infancy and will remain there for a long time. I think having say 10% of all vehicles being driven by individuals for 5 years and collecting ALL THAT DATA and then using it to make an AI that takes into account the accidents and how to avoid them, might make a superior system.

There's this stupid rush to market, it has to be more like a collective effort.

Hunter, I don't give a f*ck that you don't give a f*ck. Thank you for the ignore utility, Patrick.

HunterTits says

But nooo...SDCs were perfect, they said.

We're a decade away from a self driving car being safe I think and I don't think it's smart (or possibly even possible) to limit it just to visual input. Lidar is a better idea or maybe cameras that go into infra-red and ultra-violet.

Tesla was trying to confine the software to work with ONLY cameras. I think this was an extraordinarily bad idea when a machine can FAR outstrip a human's ability on data collection.

The problem with training is you can only train the AI for what it has previously encountered - throwing something in that the AI has never experienced before is a crap shoot. Another problem is with AI is that it's all digital, our brains are digital communication, but the synapse itself is analogue. I've seen interesting work with AI solutions where they use NAND flash memories for synapses, where the cell isn't written with a 1 or a 0, but somewhere between - this allows very fast multiplication, but not EXACT multiplication.

Normally when a NAND is flashed with a 0 or 1, in one case it passes it's an open circuit and in another a closed circuit. V=IR where R is the resistance of the cell. And R is either infinite or 0, but if you have a partial charge on the gate, you can do some crude multiplication in analog. The result of these sort of way of doing AI is that exact values of the synapse can't be exact, but it's good enough. A solution like this is pretty new, but it shows promise.

HunterTits says

The SDC Utopians were those who INSISTED that SDCs (Self Driving Cars) were going to be perfect

You're up pretty for on that high horse for being pretty off the mark for SDCs. SDCs don't need to be anywhere near perfect. They just have to be on average, a little bit better than the average (median) human driver. And I don't mean on average, better across all scenarios. I mean better on average in 99% of scenarios. Because 99% of driving is just stop and go down a road. And humans fuck that up constantly. Nothing running out from the side in front of them, no strange glare or edge case. Just a simple case of not paying attention when the car in front of them stops, and they fuck it up.

Now tack onto that the fact that 50% of all human drivers are WORSE than the median. Hell, they run over their own children in their own driveway pretty regularly. Now if you add on to that the fact that a whole subset is just drunk assholes who say "i'm fine" then kill someone at 2 am with almost no one on the road, the fruit is low hanging and plentiful.

It doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be (slightly) better. Then labor costs and insurance will drive adoption and improvement, and people driving cars will become something that happens only on those far edge cases, or out in the countryside, or for entertainment.

As far as SDCs being a decade away from being "safe": that's about 11 years off the mark. Last year, Cruise started running self driving cars around in SF and PHX . Zoox is right there, as well as Aurora, and I think Waymo. TuSimple has Freightliners running cargo trucks in Arizona, and there are all kinds of robots driving around between people in stores and restaurants. The tech is basically in the process of transitioning into mass production. And each car coming off the line is just as well "trained" as the previous one with 0 hours of driving. I think the first paying customers are now riding around as well for local trips. Regulatory approval, insurance, and everything!

These cars will crash and kill people. You are right. There are edge cases. The killings won't be "moral". They will probably be fantastically absurd. But also, each incident will have hundreds or thousands of hours of review and attempt at improvement. That does NOT happen when Drunk Steve kills grandma walking home from the store.