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Patrick says

stereotomy says

What are they going to do - go to your home and try to kill you, when you have a guns galore?

That was my thought too. Are people really going to fuck with someone who is known to be armed?

I do not think the doxxing is about physical attacks, I think it is to identify gun owners to bosses, schools, and businesses. That way a boss can pass you over or lay you off, your kids can be denied access to a local private school, and so on.

This is really just a matter of privacy, gun ownership is a side issue. Ever had a stalker, or someone you just didn't want to know where you live? Now with this leak, maybe they do. The worst impact would actually be any LEO's who showed up in the list. Many of them never reveal where they live due to line of work. Exposing their data could force them to have to move.

Patrick says

What about your phone? Even if it says GPS is off, it's actually still available to the phone maker, the govt, and whatever apps have permission to get it (and probably some that don't).

My phone is a VOIP line setup using an email and name that ties back to a fictional person with a VERY common name. The payments are made using a gift card I buy with cash. When I had a cell, was the same story. Purchased off Ebay using an email not tied to me, going to a name that's not mine, and using a gift card I got with cash. The only people who have our info are the management company for our complex, and they local. The owner is literally a lady I can call if I have issues with the on-site manager, her sister in law.

Ohh, and my voip is forced through a VPN, so VOIP provider gets an LA IP, and has an LA address on file.

Collecting GPS info on a person who doesn't exist isn't very useful. If they want to know who it is, they have to monitor all my calls and my families calls to figure it out, or send someone to watch me and scan my plates. Possible, definitely, a hassle, undoubtedly, costly, enough to discourage most people who aren't dead set on getting me. So unless I become a person of interest to someone very powerful, no one will ever find me unless I want them to.

NuttBoxer says

Collecting GPS info on a person who doesn't exist isn't very useful. If they want to know who it is, they have to monitor all my calls and my families calls to figure it out, or send someone to watch me and scan my plates. Possible, definitely, a hassle, undoubtedly, costly, enough to discourage most people who aren't dead set on getting me. So unless I become a person of interest to someone very powerful, no one will ever find me unless I want them to.

Great post.

Also why keeping in mind for hypothetical scenarios why couriers and drop sites are better than electronic comms.

1 person can monitor countless electronic comms, depending on the level of oversight desired. Even with surrupticious cameras and bugs, 1 person can only monitor a handful of humans communicating by non-electronic methods at best, and that far from omnipresent.

1 person can monitor countless electronic comms, depending on the level of oversight desired. Even with surrupticious cameras and bugs, 1 person can only monitor a handful of humans communicating by non-electronic methods at best, and that far from omnipresent.

YES!! This may seem obvious and trivial, but understanding and applying this single concept would take down the entire system. To quote one of my favorite movies, "Thumbs up their asses."

NuttBoxer says

If they want to know who it is, they have to monitor all my calls and my families calls to figure it out

I like your setup and may try to replicate it, but I think Edward Snowdon's big revelation is that they actually do monitor all calls from all people and automatically tie them together. Without a warrant or any other justification.

Patrick says

I like your setup and may try to replicate it, but I think Edward Snowdon's big revelation is that they actually do monitor all calls from all people and automatically tie them together. Without a warrant or any other justification.

Passively, yes. Whether they have actually tied that number to my real name in their system is less clear.

NuttBoxer says

In Phoenix I show them my license, which expires when I'm 65, and confirm it's my current address. Put same info on Fed check, and I'm off. They know my name, and where I bought my gun, but that's about it.

You post about CA leak, recommend not to give an addres when buying a gun there and then support you argument with an example from Phoenix? @Patrick, we need a facepalm emoji on this site asap.

NuttBoxer says

Ever had a stalker, or someone you just didn't want to know where you live? Now with this leak, maybe they do.

Some people live very interesting lives, it seems...

RWSGFY says

NuttBoxer says

Ever had a stalker, or someone you just didn't want to know where you live? Now with this leak, maybe they do.

Some people live very interesting lives, it seems...

i had this woman stalk me, crazy ex bitch. hated her.

RWSGFY says

Patrick, we need a facepalm emoji on this site asap.

I think Phoenix is not giving away much, because it's a big place.

Whether you can see this emoji or not depends on your OS:

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You could just use a facepalm image from somewhere.

RWSGFY says

You post about CA leak, recommend not to give an addres when buying a gun there and then support you argument with an example from Phoenix?

This is an easy topic to mis-interpret, the point is privacy, not guns, and not Los Angeles. Yeah, the leak wasn't even state-wide. I'll try to state this again for those sitting in the back, if you don't give anyone your personal info, then you'll never have to worry about them leaking it.

RWSGFY says

Some people live very interesting lives, it seems...

I understand you don't think you have a reason to care about privacy. You don't think you'll ever be mistakenly identified as having committed murder, like the dude who was accused in Phoenix a few years back because his google data mistakenly showed him in the vicinity when the murder occurred. Lost his job, I'm sure fucked his life in other ways. All because he failed to protect his data, and like you, assumed nothing would ever happen.

If you read JJ Luna's book, he's got tons of these examples.

@RWSGFY As you suggested, for assuming this thread was about guns and California - 🤦‍♂️

NuttBoxer says

@RWSGFY As you suggested, for assuming this thread was about guns and California - 🤦‍♂️

Are you trying to pull a richwicks on me? The OP literally starts with words "LA county". It's not in California? Since when?

You're the one who wanted to be specific about location, the list is of people who bought a gun in LA, not the whole state. But as I mentioned, it's irrelevant as the topic is privacy, and how these people wouldn't have had anything to worry about if they practiced privacy.

Maybe you should care a little more about privacy. It would at least help you get context for these types of threads quicker.

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NuttBoxer says

YES!! This may seem obvious and trivial, but understanding and applying this single concept would take down the entire system. To quote one of my favorite movies, "Thumbs up their asses."

From Total Resistance: Swiss Army Guide to Guerilla Warfare

Free at:
https://archive.org/details/total-resistance-swiss-army-guide-to-guerilla-warfare-1965

Some of it has been dated, like Radio/TV station sabotage/control, but a lot of it is relevant.

Very good tips and tricks to deal with a... Soviet... take over.

Downloaded, will take a look, thanks!

NuttBoxer says

My phone is a VOIP line setup using an email and name that ties back to a fictional person with a VERY common name.

And here I am bumbling around with my real name on this kook ass site....

Robert Sproul says

NuttBoxer says

My phone is a VOIP line setup using an email and name that ties back to a fictional person with a VERY common name.

And here I am bumbling around with my real name on this kook ass site....

You and @richwicks should go to the gun club together. If @patrick is being threatened, time to brush up on martial skills.

Full disclosure - I already have shotguns and now with the SCOTUS decision wrt TPRNY, I'm hoping to acquire CC handguns for me and the missus.