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richwicks says

Russia will win this conflict.

Timeline and criteria of victory, plz. I love predictions.

Bd6r says

THERE IS NO PANIC! IT IS AN ORDERLY WITHDRAWAL

Why do you still trust Western "media"?

You know they lie to you constantly, why do you expect them to tell you the truth now? I am always confused by how people can't understand our "news" media is propaganda.

richwicks says

Bd6r says

THERE IS NO PANIC! IT IS AN ORDERLY WITHDRAWAL

Why do you still trust Western "media"?

You know they lie to you constantly, why do you expect them to tell you the truth now? I am always confused by how people can't understand our "news" media is propaganda.

Wait, Konashenkov is Western media now? When have he flipped? (I agree that he's a liar and a propagandist, btw).

Eric Holder says

richwicks says

Bd6r says

THERE IS NO PANIC! IT IS AN ORDERLY WITHDRAWAL

Why do you still trust Western "media"?

Wait, Konashenkov is Western media now?

Who is Konashenkov? Show me something this person said 10 years ago, or longer ago.

Why do you believe this person is real? Remember Ahmed Chalabi? That was the vector for supporting the Iraq war. Why do you believe that Konashenkov isn't another Ahmed Chalabi?

What I'm really asking is, why can't you learn from history, why do you keep making the same mistake? You are smarter than this, and the only way you couldn't be smarter than this, is if you're an active propagandist. I don't think you're stupid, but I suspect you have no ethics at all.

richwicks says

Who is Konashenkov? Show me something this person said 10 years ago, or longer ago.

Spokeperson of RF AF, of course. The guy who said that Ruscist forces are conducting "orderly withdrawal". The exact stuff you reacted to so angrily. =)) As for the 10 years ago I'm confident in your google-fu skills - you'll find it.

Eric Holder says

richwicks says

Russia will win this conflict.

Timeline and criteria of victory, plz. I love predictions.

Bueller?

richwicks says

Why do you still trust Western "media"?

You know they lie to you constantly, why do you expect them to tell you the truth now? I am always confused by how people can't understand our "news" media is propaganda.

How do you know which media I follow? And while we are at it, why would I read second-hand accounts and 'tarded analysis which appear in Western media (for example, it was Western media at the start of Russian invasion that parroted idea that Ukrainians will fold in weeks)?

I read news in Russian and Ukrainian mostly, and TRY to read in Polish although that language is too different from Russian so I have trouble understanding it.

Eric Holder says

richwicks says

Who is Konashenkov? Show me something this person said 10 years ago, or longer ago.

Spokeperson of RF AF, of course. The guy who said that Ruscist forces are conducting "orderly withdrawal". The exact stuff you reacted to so angrily. =)) As for the 10 years ago I'm confident in your google-fu skills - you'll find it.

You didn't answer my question.

I pointed out that he is likely another Ahmed Chalabi, another traitor to his nation.

Demonstrate he isn't.

Stop using words like "ruscist" as well, stop trying to manipulate people's emotions. Appeal to their thinking.

Explain to me who Konashenkov is? I strongly suspect his like Chalabi, a sell out traitor to his nation.

Bd6r says

(for example, it was Western media at the start of Russian invasion that parroted idea that Ukrainians will fold in weeks)?

Show an example of this. Let's see it. Demonstrate that the US propaganda claimed that the Ukrainians would fold in weeks. Show me anything.

richwicks says

Explain to me who Konashenkov is? I strongly suspect his like Chalabi, a sell out traitor to his nation.

He just did, and you are not making any sense again. Konashenkov is the OFFICIAL SPOKESMAN of Russian Ministry of Defense. If he is a sell-out, so is Putin.

https://vk.com/general.mayor_russia

richwicks says

Show an example of this. Let's see it. Demonstrate that the US propaganda claimed that the Ukrainians would fold in weeks. Show me anything.

Here you go once more for Yandex, Google, etc challenged:

Shortly before Russian President Vladimir Putin launched his latest invasion of Ukraine, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Mark Milley, reportedly told congressional leaders meeting in closed session that the smaller country would "fall in 72 hours."

https://www.heritage.org/defense/commentary/why-gen-milleys-ukraine-war-prediction-missed-mile

Does not get more direct than that, the Woke Generalissimo opinion.

zzyzzx says

This is also typical Russian behavior. They can't conquer the place, so destroy it. We need to give Ukraine long range cruise missiles so that they can destroy the factory that makes Russian cruise missiles. Or destroy power plants around Moscow and St Petersburg.,

How is this going to help? Existential threat to Russia (and in extension, Putin) mean the nukes come out. Nobody wins. We need negotiations to end this sooner, rather than later...

EBGuy says

We need negotiations to end this sooner, rather than later...

KGB does not negotiate in good faith.

It is too bad that most of this info is not in English.

Russians signed peace treaty with Chechnya in 1998 and attacked it 2 years later. As soon as they had enough forces, they invaded.

https://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ/content/2022/08/31/120940/znaj-svoyu-istoriyu--26-let-nazad-byli-podpisany-khasavyurtovskie-soglasheniya-mezhdu-chri-i-rossiej-.shtml

It is pointless to negotiate with Russia. They will freeze the situation on ground, collect more troops, and then attack again. What's in it for Ukrainians? They already had Budapest memorandum, which turned out to be a piece of paper, not worth value of paper it was written on (C) Bismarck.

Russians strike Zaporozhie with the dreaded "Vagina Bomb". And you thought your mother in law was bad:

Bd6r says

richwicks says

Show an example of this. Let's see it. Demonstrate that the US propaganda claimed that the Ukrainians would fold in weeks. Show me anything.

Here you go once more for Yandex, Google, etc challenged:

Shortly before Russian President Vladimir Putin launched his latest invasion of Ukraine, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Mark Milley, reportedly told congressional leaders meeting in closed session that the smaller country would "fall in 72 hours."

https://www.heritage.org/defense/commentary/why-gen-milleys-ukraine-war-prediction-missed-mile

Does not get more direct than that, the Woke Generalissimo opinion.

"Apr 8, 2022 3 min read"

I am not interest in reading minitrue.

1984 was not just a prediction of the future, it was a warning, and you see it laid out now. If you do not resist it, you, and your children and grandchildren deserve what they get.

Realize what you are doing.

War against Russia could have EASILY been prevented. Stop bombing the Donbass region, no NATO weaponry. I oppose war.

EBGuy says

zzyzzx says

This is also typical Russian behavior. They can't conquer the place, so destroy it. We need to give Ukraine long range cruise missiles so that they can destroy the factory that makes Russian cruise missiles. Or destroy power plants around Moscow and St Petersburg.,

How is this going to help? Existential threat to Russia (and in extension, Putin) mean the nukes come out. Nobody wins. We need negotiations to end this sooner, rather than later...

Fully agreed. Don't let people gaslight you into thinking Russia is not capable of negotiations and keeping peace. Remember Saddam wasn't capable either, neither was qaddafi, Arafat, Assad. Perpetual war, cui bono? They're all assholes except for us!

richwicks says

I am not interest in reading minitrue.

I gave you a link. You never give any links, just word salad, and have been wrong on so many FACTS about that part of world that your opinion is no different in its value from that of NYT.
richwicks says

Stop bombing the Donbass region, no NATO weaponry. I oppose war.

Russia started the war by attacking Ukraine. Everything else is irrelevant.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

I am not interest in reading minitrue.

I gave you a link. You never give any links, just word salad,

That's not true. at all. Here is Victoria Nuland picking out the US puppet of Ukraine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV9J6sxCs5k%22

Here is the transcript:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

I've shown this repeatedly, you cannot exhaust me in it.

Bd6r says

and have been wrong on so many FACTS about that part of world that your opinion is no different in its value from that of NYT.
richwicks says

Stop bombing the Donbass region, no NATO weaponry. I oppose war.

Russia started the war by attacking Ukraine. Everything else is irrelevant.

The US overthrew Ukraine in 2014, this the most obvious naked coup d'état in history. It is ludicrous anybody denies it.

We don't just have evidence, we have proof. Proof, you still deny it. How silly.

I am so tired of people like you denying known FACTS. Stop being George Winston. Doing the job of minitrue is a CHOICE, why do you make this choice? Don't you realize what road this leads us all to? Not just you, but your children and grandchildren? You are a slave now, but your are selling the next generation into much worse slavery. That includes your children. What is wrong with you?

The very purpose of the Internet is to expose that our "rulers" are frauds and to demonstrate they should not be believed. We can bypass them entirely, but you still play along - if you and enough people persist in this, the next generation will be slaves. Realize what they are.

I've demonstrated to you that the US overthrew Ukraine, installed a puppet, and if you have any honesty and integrity you will realize that once a puppet is installed in a foreign nation, it's only puppets after that. This horrible terrible war could have been avoided, but our criminal government LOVES to make war. It's a horrible thing we allow our government to do. Stand up.

I want this war to end, and I know the source, the source of the war is the United States. Ukrainians and Russians are just victims.

From yesterday's ISW update: Kremlin Spokesperson Peskov stated that Putin has postponed all his meetings with the leadership of the Russian MoD and representatives of the Russian defense industry in Sochi https://iswresearch.org

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1569392150638460931

Ukrainian and Western Intelligence is reporting that Russian Military Command has not recently deployed any additional Battalion Tactical Groups into Ukraine and seems to have suspended all further Combat Deployments into the Country.

IT'S A LIE!! LIE!!!! LIE!!! FUCKING LIE!!!!

Eric Holder says

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1569392150638460931

Ukrainian and Western Intelligence is reporting that Russian Military Command has not recently deployed any additional Battalion Tactical Groups into Ukraine and seems to have suspended all further Combat Deployments into the Country.

IT'S A LIE!! LIE!!!! LIE!!! FUCKING LIE!!!!

It probably is. You're seeing twitter.

richwicks says

Here is Victoria Nuland picking out the US puppet of Ukraine:

That does not prove US overthrew Ukrainian government. It proves that US used the victory of Ukrainian nation over corrupt and cheating Yanukovich regime which came to power after Russians attempted to poison previous Ukr president.

So, a huge fail. No links proving that US overthrew Ukrainian government.

richwicks says

I am so tired of people like you denying known FACTS.

I am so tired that you deny that Putin is a pedophile, that he is a genocidal maniac, and so on.

richwicks says

The US overthrew Ukraine in 2014,

That's when Hunter started working for Burisma!

Time-lapse of the glorious goodwill gesture organised reterat: https://twitter.com/NorthmanTrader/status/1569417017756631041

5 days reversed the gains of 5 months.

jykiodfgr says

▪️As a result of the strikes, the daily losses of Ukrainian servicemen and foreign fighters exceeded 800 people killed and wounded.

as of September 13, 2022

🔻The Russian Aerospace Forces, rocket troops and artillery are inflicting massive fire strikes on units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in all operational directions.

▪️High-precision airborne strikes hit the points of temporary deployment of units of the 95th Airborne Assault Brigade in the areas of SLAVYANSK and KONSTANTINOVKA, the 115th Mechanized Brigade in the ARTYOMOVSK area, and the 53rd Mechanized Brigade in the Kurdyumovka area .

▪️In addition, units of the 35th Marine Brigade in the BEREZNEGOVATOY area, the 57th motorized infantry brigade in the MURAKHOVKA area of the Mykolaiv region, the 128th mountain assault brigade in the BALABINA area of the Zaporozhye region, as well as the 14th mechanized brigade in the area of the city of KHARKOV were hit .

▪️As a result of the s...

RWSGFY says

Time-lapse of the glorious goodwill gesture organised reterat: https://twitter.com/NorthmanTrader/status/1569417017756631041

5 days reversed the gains of 5 months.

I'll be looking for the movements around the bulge, but we'll see.

jykiodfgr says

The killing field has been activated.

Be warned that our resident sceptics, namely @richwicks, will require hard proof of these bold claims of millions killed and tens of thousands of tanks destroyed.

ANY MOMENT NOW!

"I think it’s high time to call on North Korea to stop arming the Russian military and to urge Moscow to immediately sue for peace on Kyiv’s terms. Those war profiteers in Pyonyang just want to prolong the war and fight it to the last Russian, after all."

Possibly some seriously unconfirmed fog of war bullshit, but again horrible if true:
https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=207500

Ceffer says

Possibly some seriously unconfirmed fog of war bullshit, but again horrible if true:
https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=207500

That would be very sad if it is true. I'm always saddened to see good men die, especially white. :( I really do hope for peace between the 2 nations.

https://markcrispinmiller.substack.com/p/to-figure-out-whats-really-happening-68b

To figure out what's really happening in Ukraine (and not just there), DON'T watch TV, or read the New York Times, or any other Western media outlet (whether corporate OR "alternative")

Liberators don't want to be liberators anymore. Now they are openly calling for outright genocide:

https://youtu.be/NF4K41pLAhM

PS. How does one go from "I'll save you" to "I'll kill you", unless "saving" was just a ruse from the get-go?

Eric Holder says

Liberators don't want to be liberators anymore. Now they are openly calling for outright genocide:

https://youtu.be/NF4K41pLAhM

PS. How does one go from "I'll save you" to "I'll kill you", unless "saving" was just a ruse from the get-go?

Listen to these retarded Russian mooks.

"Russian people demand harsh, immediate actions!"

Basically, how dare Ukraine recapture their own land?

Looks like Putin's visit to China and India this week didn't win him any converts. How much longer is Russia going to continue with this needless killing?

socal2 says

Eric Holder says

Liberators don't want to be liberators anymore. Now they are openly calling for outright genocide:

https://youtu.be/NF4K41pLAhM

PS. How does one go from "I'll save you" to "I'll kill you", unless "saving" was just a ruse from the get-go?

Listen to these retarded Russian mooks.

"Russian people demand harsh, immediate actions!"

Basically, how dare Ukraine recapture their own land?

Looks like Putin's visit to China and India this week didn't win him any converts. How much longer is Russia going to continue with this needless killing?

DON"T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT LOSING OF KHUEVATOVKA VILLAGE SOMEWHERE IN KHARKIV OBLAST POSES AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT TO RUSSIA AS A WHOLE?!!!!!

RWSGFY says

Be warned that our resident sceptics, namely @richwicks, will require hard proof of these bold claims of millions killed and tens of thousands of tanks destroyed.

ANY MOMENT NOW!

I barely pay attention to you.

Let's say "millions were killed". Minimum that's 2 million to make it plural. There's about 43 million Ukrainians. 2*100/43 =~ 4.65% of the population. Yeah, that's obviously bullshit. Why should I waste time refuting you? I don't think anybody is stupid enough to believe you. You're a screaming child screaming LOOK AT ME.

You're not a serious, thoughtful person. You're not principled, you're not reasonable much less logical. Who cares what you scream about? You scream, a lot.