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BayArea says

I’ve stayed at AirBnB

This is something that I will never do. If you stay in an Airbnb YOU are part of the problem.

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But some vacation rental owners think they can still price like it is summer 2021.

I've still got my beach front Maui VRBO priced higher than ever and fully booked 4 months out. That's been standard the past 5 years. I'd never convert to an Airbnb though and this place is zoned for it.

We go to Hawaii twice a year to VRBOs. All of Hawaii has increased quite a bit and bookings are months out. Our favorite vrbo on kauai shutdown permanently during covid. The Maui ones are $$$. This Xmas were going to go to the big island since it is the cheapest and direct flight from SFO.

I'm guessing the inventory has dried up with the airbnb and post covid closures

zzyzzx says

Probably a bunch of hood rats that rented out a Air BnB. That is common with hood rats from Atlanta renting out Florida panhandle beach homes. They usually try to bring in a few hundred to host a hip hop or gangsta rap event.

Booger says

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Yeah, AirBnb did not do shit as far as competition to hotels and resorts. It just took houses off the market from buyers who want to live in them or long term rent them out.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/AirBnB/comments/yhtwgh/200_cleaning_fee_i_got_a_negative_review_from_the/

$200 cleaning fee & I got a negative review from the host because I didn't vacuum and clean the toilet.

https://www.surfacemag.com/articles/airbnb-losing-its-appeal/

zzyzzx says

https://www.surfacemag.com/articles/airbnb-losing-its-appeal/

Its overburdened with too many fees. I rather bypass and shop around such as use Expedia.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Airbnbust/comments/yedqlk/share_your_airbnb_horror_story/

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Its overburdened with too many fees. I rather bypass and shop around such as use Expedia.

I just stay in hotels. Never had an issue.

zzyzzx says

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Its overburdened with too many fees. I rather bypass and shop around such as use Expedia.

I just stay in hotels. Never had an issue.

I'll look at vacation rentals if it's if it's a 7-10 day trip and has a shit load of good reviews. Can cook your own food and have a kitchen or grill, so cheaper vacation. Otherwise it's resorts or hotels for 1-7 days. Plus we get rewards and free nights. Ends up being cheaper, room service, turndown service, pools, activities, etc.

My biggest beef with many hotels is check in. A hotel for one night for a wedding you can stay at a Hilton brand hotel and just go to the room with the app. Other places it takes 15 minutes sitting at the front desk. You'd think they'd streamline it by now. Vacation rentals you generally just get a code or lockbox and you're in. I've flown in to Puerto Rico at 12am and sat at the front desk giving ID and CC for 15 minutes. No one else there either. It was literally just a bed for 6 hours to catch an 8am flight to St. Thomas.

If you "have" to check in it should take 1-2 minutes tops. Key should be ready. They have your CC info 99% of the time when booking. Then they ask for an ID and CC again? Then they scan the room key in front of you? Have it fucking ready before I get there. Otherwise hotels are the way to go. With kids though, once you crack 3 of the little shits, adjoining rooms become a thing. #more$$$$ So for that reason vacation rentals are appealing for us for longer stays. Always search for the property name if they have one. I've been eyeing a place on St. John for a group trip and it's a $1,200 savings going to their site versus VRBO.

https://www.surfacemag.com/articles/airbnb-losing-its-appeal/

WookieMan says

A hotel for one night for a wedding you can stay at a Hilton brand hotel and just go to the room with the app

That's becoming the norm, online check in, or using a Kiosk. Atlantic City Casino hotels have them. I have used kiosks at The Tropicana and at Bally's and recommend them. I will see about using them at Hard Rock at Oceans later this year.

Possibly unrelated, but used the Delta Air app to check in twice recently and would use it again, and recommend it.

WookieMan says

With kids though, once you crack 3 of the little shits, adjoining rooms become a thing. #more$$$$ So for that reason vacation rentals are appealing for us

If it means less annoying kids in hotels, then I guess it's all good.

zzyzzx says

WookieMan says

A hotel for one night for a wedding you can stay at a Hilton brand hotel and just go to the room with the app

That's becoming the norm, online check in, or using a Kiosk. Atlantic City Casino hotels have them. I have used kiosks at The Tropicana and at Bally's and recommend them. I will see about using them at Hard Rock at Oceans later this year.

Possibly unrelated, but used the Delta Air app to check in twice recently and would use it again, and recommend it.

I know. But even some of the major chains still make you check in at a desk. It fucking takes forever for something so basic. They already have my info. Give me a key and a fucking room number. 1-2 minutes.

zzyzzx says

If it means less annoying kids in hotels, then I guess it's all good.

That's debatable. I'd say it's annoying/lazy parents and not the kids fault. You wouldn't notice my kids at a hotel or resort. They'd be in deep shit if they caused a problem with another guest. I get your sentiment though. Most parents now just let their kids do whatever the fuck they want when traveling one time a year. My kids complain about other kids on flights. They're at that level. Oldest just turned 12. It's a parenting problem, not a kid problem.

Not a brag, but I have 3 foreign trips in 2(ish) months coming up. 90% of people that travel it's a one off big trip every 2-3 years. If that. When you do it a lot you know who hasn't done it. Kids don't know any better if you haven't trained them. I could drop my kids unattended at Midway or O'hare and they could get to their gate and flight 100%. Pop their headphones on and chill. I'm confident they could figure out arrival as well.

https://news.yahoo.com/too-many-rich-people-bought-205754619.html

Too Many Rich People Bought Airbnbs. Now They’re Sitting Empty

WookieMan says

That's debatable. I'd say it's annoying/lazy parents and not the kids fault. You wouldn't notice my kids at a hotel or resort. They'd be in deep shit if they caused a problem with another guest. I get your sentiment though. Most parents now just let their kids do whatever the fuck they want when traveling one time a year. My kids complain about other kids on flights. They're at that level. Oldest just turned 12. It's a parenting problem, not a kid problem.

I agree completely. But if I'm going to a hotel with intent to use the pool, I'm going to want to go to one with an adult only pool anyway. Like the one at the Water Club at the Borgata Atlantic City.

zzyzzx says

https://news.yahoo.com/too-many-rich-people-bought-205754619.html

Too Many Rich People Bought Airbnbs. Now They’re Sitting Empty

Yes, they will likely lower rates as 2021 rates were sky high for renting vacation homes. Can't hurt to lower rates to reduce vacancy.

Better to rent at lower rates to make a slight profit or just break even then to keep empty.

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Better to rent at lower rates to make a slight profit or just break even then to keep empty

Clearly you have not been listening to some of Louis Rossmann's commentary on NYC vacancies and pricing.

zzyzzx says

Clearly you have not been listening to some of Louis Rossmann's commentary on NYC vacancies and pricing.

Thank you for the feedback. I'll check into that. I did read this though:

"More than 60,000 Rent-Stabilized Apartments Are Now Vacant — and Tenant Advocates Say Landlords Are Holding Them for ‘Ransom’
The number of empty regulated apartments nearly doubled between 2020 and 2021, a state memo obtained by THE CITY shows."

https://www.thecity.nyc/housing/2022/10/19/23411956/60000-rent-stabilized-apartments-vacant-warehousing-nyc-landlords-housing

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zzyzzx says

Clearly you have not been listening to some of Louis Rossmann's commentary on NYC vacancies and pricing.

Rossmann talks about this on his show: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-31/us-small-business-rent-delinquency-rates-rise-sharply-in-october

I will finish watching his show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=mCycDJ4BxwI

I read this in the Bloomberg: "More Than a Third of US Small Businesses Couldn’t Pay All Their Rent in October" and I wonder if Biden's economic statistics from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, etc. are all bullshit. I wonder if they are going to look a lot worse starting after this midterm election.

Enough investors and traders see a major downturn ahead and ignore the Biden admin economic propaganda.

Stock market is the true or better economic barometer. That's why Google is down 43%, Amazon is down 52%, and Apple also is down 25%. Advertisers have been cutting back from spending on Youtube, etc. and consumers cutting back on Amazon purchase and less are buying iPhones, Apple iPads, etc.

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How is AWS doing? It costs 10X the competition, and is going to take a hit at some point.

I couldn't imagine our company or the 3rd party platform companies we integrate with discarding AWS without hiring more and it would take years.

Hotel corporations create additional buildings and units without affecting residential supply and demand. They add to an area. They create jobs and always make a positive impact. Even if they go out of business, a building remains, that may be renovated and turned into residential units. This is done without driving up housing prices to unacceptable levels. Hotels themselves do not affect residential house prices.

No offense but at this point, every day people bragging about how smart they are, because they can borrow money to mortgage a house make money on AIR-BNB really bothers me. These AIR-BNB motivated purchases gobble up the supply of existing homes and apartment units - for renting purposes. Far more existing units are gobbled up vs. new units being built in respect to AIR-BNB. And people are not selling their homes/units when they can rent them out on AIR-BNB further restricting the supply of additional units, driving up the prices.

Why? So people can sit back on their lazy asses and collect rents without working, inventing, creating, facilitating, improving, solving, contributing or doing anything. It's called parasite economics and it really bothers me.

I can't comment on this thread because I'm emotionally compromised when it comes to this subject.

Michael Cooke says

These AIR-BNB motivated purchases gobble up the supply of existing homes and apartment units - for renting purposes. Far more existing units are gobbled up vs. new units being built in respect to AIR-BNB. And people are not selling their homes/units when they can rent them out on AIR-BNB further restricting the supply of additional units, driving up the prices.

Why? So people can sit back on their lazy asses and collect rents without working, inventing, creating, facilitating, improving, solving, contributing or doing anything. It's called parasite economics and it really bothers me.

I can't comment on this thread because I'm emotionally compromised when it comes to this subject.

Very true, as I was looking at how AirBnB not only has an affect on a tourist town like Panama City Beach, FL but also on towns like Buena Vista, CO an Salida, CO.

And these small towns like Buena Vista have a working class housing crisis; that is the main reason they can't get enough help for their local businesses.

With Panama City Beach fortunately its different, since there are nearby cities like Panama City and Springfield that have more affordable housing.

That is not the case with Colorado mountain towns like Buena Vista due to various challenges or factors like geography/geology, water availability, etc.

Granted, I knew when all those beach condo towers (over 20 stories) were being built in Panama City Beach back in the late 1990s, that at least 90% of them would be vacation rentals.

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Airbnb's are just illegal hotels.

just_passing_through says

I couldn't imagine our company or the 3rd party platform companies we integrate with discarding AWS without hiring more and it would take years.

I was comparing AWS to other cloud providers

Right, but you can't just 'switch'. I left out that all of our customers use AWS as well. I've never worked anywhere that didn't just try a cursory try-out of anything else and I haven't see that in about 4 years.

But perhaps you're thinking of non-developer cloud stuff. When I think of aws I think of aws cli / api etc.

Then again I'm in biotech so who knows what devs at other types of companies use.

If you don't use api gateway and vpcs/nats then aws is reasonably priced.

mell says

If you don't use api gateway and vpcs/nats then aws is reasonably priced.

Running a database on AWS is expensive.

Booger says

mell says

If you don't use api gateway and vpcs/nats then aws is reasonably priced.

Running a database on AWS is expensive.

Any specific ones? Can't talk much for rds/aurora otmr anything self hosted, i.e. dedicated ec2 instance, but you can run a midsized company on auto scaled dynamodb for less than 5k / month, no db admin needed. Granted dynamo db is rather simplistic, but you can always work around its limitations and it forces you to keep it simple. Plus the event streams are nice

https://www.wsj.com/articles/airbnb-cleaning-fees-rates-departure-11667779247

Airbnb to Make Cleaning Fees Clearer on Searches After Customer Complaints

https://nypost.com/2022/11/04/nyc-proposes-strict-airbnb-registration-rules-to-take-effect-in-january/

NYC proposes strict Airbnb registration rules to take effect in January

zzyzzx says

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Fuck AirBnB and Fuck Joe Biden !

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Exactly - it's already a horrific surprise for AirBnB when the price nearly doubles right before your eyes.