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Optimal Antisemitism


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2022 Jun 26, 3:58pm   6,423 views  55 comments

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After thinking about it, I've concluded that Judaism requires some amount of antisemitism in order to continue existing as a minority religion.

If there's too much, that's obviously bad, because genocide.

But on the other hand, if there is too little antisemitism, Jews rapidly assimilate into the mainstream and a distinct Jewish community no longer exists. This has even been openly stated by some groups - that America is "Killing the Jews with kindness." By which they don't mean literal killing, only a removal of all barriers to assimilation.

I think white South Africans are also at enormous risk of genocide by the black majority because they maintain a distance and distinct identity.

The same thing plays out with almost every minority group that is determined not to assimilate. The Armenians were careful to maintain distinctions between themselves and the Turks. Heck, the Amish don't really want to talk to you either, because outside influences are a threat to their identity. But no one hates the Amish because they are so darn peaceful.

Another counterexample would be the Parsis of India. They don't intermarry with non-Parsis and are quite distinct and very rich. Non-Parsis may not even set foot in Parsi fire temples. But they make a point of benevolent public works and are highly regarded in India. So maybe a strategy of maintaining some hostility and tension is not absolutely necessary to maintain an ethnic minority in the long term, and other strategies could work as well.

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1   Patrick   2022 Jun 26, 4:10pm  

Maybe Islamic terror has a similar effect in alienating the majority, which then decreases the risk that Muslims will assimilate into a majority culture.
2   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Jun 26, 4:14pm  

Patrick says

Maybe Islamic terror has a similar effect in alienating the majority, which then decreases the risk that Muslims will assimilate into a majority culture.


they don’t want to assimilate. nobody does i think if option to not is available. muslim culture has very strong faith component, they aren’t going to dive into american nihilistic ways.
3   Patrick   2022 Jun 26, 4:20pm  

Well yes, I don't want to be part of the gay/pedo nihilistic corporate culture either.

But there is a still a good core to America, large numbers of reasonable, kind, and rather conservative people.
4   richwicks   2022 Jun 27, 10:05am  

Patrick says

Heck, the Amish don't really want to talk to you either, because outside influences are a threat to their identity. But no one hates the Amish because they are so darn peaceful.


Yeah, this is a palatable feeling. I grew up among the Amish, but I was always given the distinct feeling to leave them alone. I would love to talk to them and listen and not interject my thinking, just to know what they think but I'm not even certain it would be proper for me to talk to a woman without the permission of a man. That's how little I understand their cultural viewpoint.

As a child I kind of looked down upon them as a cultish group of religious lunatics, as an adult, I can divorce their religious devotion from their lifestyle. At some point, I think I will attempt to have a polite conversation being very careful not to step over bounds, and to withdraw immediately if I'm pushing boundaries. They are an interesting group.
5   Patrick   2022 Jun 27, 6:39pm  

Same thing if you want to talk to a Hasidic Jew. They really don't want to talk to you if they can avoid it, and they definitely don't want you talking to any of their women.

Oddly, both the Amish and the Hasidic Jews wear black, have beards, and speak archaic dialects of German. Maybe some kind of convergent evolution that works to keep the group together.
6   Patrick   2022 Jun 27, 6:42pm  

Took me a while to realize that the Amish suffered really horrible persecutions in Europe. Torture, burning alive, etc, because they would not swear oaths of allegiance or serve in the army, and completely rejected the established religious hierarchy.

I studied for a year in Innsbruck, but only recently found out that they used to burn Amish people alive in the center of town there, under the Little Golden Roof. Really changed my impression of Innsbruck.

https://www.pabook.libraries.psu.edu/literary-cultural-heritage-map-pa/feature-articles/persecution-division-and-opportunity-origins-old



7   Patrick   2022 Oct 2, 2:48pm  




I think this conversation has been replayed a billion times in the last two thousand years.

It can start from either side.
9   Undoctored   2022 Nov 14, 10:30pm  

I was the President of my local Jewish youth group in 1987. One of the members, a girl who had unsuccessfully run against me for the position, suggested we participate in a boycott against General Mills or something like that because of their depiction of Bela Logusi’s Count Dracula on their “Count Chocula” cereal box wearing what appeared to be a Star of David. More on that here:

http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=1670

I said no way, let’s not draw people’s attention to this! It’ll only make matters worse. It’s a historical fact that the Dracula in the movie wore that six pointed something. Why not laugh it off? I was sure it was an honest mistake. In school I never experienced any taunting on account of my being Jewish. Why give anybody ideas, why let people know they can offend us so easily?

Well it turns out there are many “Jewish” groups like the Anti-Defamation League whose sole purpose is to remind people that Jews are hated and feared, and their funding would dry up if Jews were universally accepted and loved. This campaign my group member was trying to get us to join was one of theirs. My cynical present self now suspects that General Mills did it deliberately in cooperation with the ADL as a publicity stunt to their mutual benefit.
10   Patrick   2022 Nov 14, 11:30pm  

Undoctored says

My cynical present self now suspects that General Mills did it deliberately in cooperation with the ADL as a publicity stunt to their mutual benefit.


Wow, I didn't see that coming, but could be.
11   Patrick   2022 Nov 14, 11:33pm  

There's some video of Ronald Reagan speaking at a large gathering. A balloon pops, sounding like a gunshot. Reagan immediately says "Missed me!" and goes on with his speach.

At first I thought Reagan was cool for saying that.

After a minute, I realized that he almost certainly had planned the balloon pop and coment, just to look cool. And then I was kind of disgusted with him.
12   1337irr   2022 Nov 15, 12:50am  

Patrick says

There's some video of Ronald Reagan speaking at a large gathering. A balloon pops, sounding like a gunshot. Reagan immediately says "Missed me!" and goes on with his speach.

At first I thought Reagan was cool for saying that.

After a minute, I realized that he almost certainly had planned the balloon pop and coment, just to look cool. And then I was kind of disgusted with him.

It might have been prepared because he dealt with death threats everyday, you have to embrace the morbid humor of the situation to function I believe as president.
13   keeprubbersidedown   2022 Nov 15, 5:52am  

Patrick says

There's some video of Ronald Reagan speaking at a large gathering. A balloon pops, sounding like a gunshot. Reagan immediately says "Missed me!" and goes on with his speach.

At first I thought Reagan was cool for saying that.

After a minute, I realized that he almost certainly had planned the balloon pop and coment, just to look cool. And then I was kind of disgusted with him.


Yea he was very quick and clever early on. I don’t think it was a setup. But could be
14   HeadSet   2022 Nov 15, 8:00am  

Patrick says

After a minute, I realized that he almost certainly had planned the balloon pop and coment, just to look cool. And then I was kind of disgusted with him.

Likely not a setup. Remember Reagan made a joke after he was actually shot as well, and I am sure that was not planned.
15   richwicks   2022 Nov 15, 8:23am  

HeadSet says

Patrick says


After a minute, I realized that he almost certainly had planned the balloon pop and coment, just to look cool. And then I was kind of disgusted with him.

Likely not a setup. Remember Reagan made a joke after he was actually shot as well, and I am sure that was not planned.


Reagan was an actor, and for that, I was disgusted with him, back when I was a teenager.

I was too young to recognize that all politician are actors. Reagan was famous for giving speeches and tearing up at the same point in the speech around the country. He was a fraud, but perhaps the fraud we needed..
16   Ceffer   2022 Nov 15, 10:38am  

When I was at university, a building on the corner of Channing was renovated to become a new outpost called ‘Chabad House’. I had a Jewish buddy in my dorm who told me they were a radical sect. His father worked for Stanford Research Institute and his family lived in Redwood City. His sister studied Japanese and was recruited by the CIA. He, himself, had spent a summer at a kibbutz in Israel. In spite of all, he was somewhat detached about his religion.

One day, I drove by and the fencing around the Chabad House was covered by big, spray painted swastikas. Of course, there was the usual publicity that this was a hate crime.

My buddy later confessed to me that he was the one who painted the swastikas and he was laughing madly about it. He did it in the middle of the night. I was a bit concerned about the vandalism and him getting caught, because there was quite a stir for a week or so about it. He said that the sect invited punishment and persecution because it was part of its ethos.

As to what constitutes ‘optimal’ antisemitism that would be up to the architects of the phenomenon.
17   richwicks   2022 Nov 15, 10:45am  

Ceffer says

One day, I drove by and the fencing around the Chabad House was covered by big, spray painted swastikas. Of course, there was the usual publicity that this was a hate crime.

My buddy later confessed to me that he was the one who painted the swastikas and he was laughing madly about it. He did it in the middle of the night. I was a bit concerned about the vandalism and him getting caught, because there was quite a stir for week or so about it. He said that the sect invited punishment and persecution because it was part of its ethos.


Tell me, do you feel disgust by this?

Basically, your friend was libeling another group.
18   AmericanKulak   2022 Nov 15, 10:50am  

I think there's a big diff between Secular Jews and Religious Jews.

Ironically, the more religious the Jews are, the more conservative, pro-American, and while they want to be mostly autonomous from many things, can be counted on to be pro-American.

That's why the Stormfag shit about Hassidic Jews with the sideburn locks and hats are so funny. Those are the Jews most likely to vote Trump, think LGBTQ+ is gay, and keep Wokeness out of their Schools, like with Yeshiva University right now. And they basically own real estate and sell diamonds and study Torah, not involved with High Finance, Media, Hollywood, much at all.

So it's the Brooklyn Bolshevik secular Jews that are largely - but not wholly - down with the Uniparty, involved with banking, Hollywood, etc. But are the most whiny about stupid shit.

The good news is that secular Jews don't reproduce and will be a tiny minority in another generation or so. Since about 1/3rd convert to Christianity or Conservative Judaism and the other 2/3 are below birth replacement rate

Which reminds me, I have to check if Obama's Pet Jew Greenblatt of the ADL is having a freakout over the Black Israelite book Irving is pushing. Basically, that the whole ancient Middle East and particularly the Hebrews were really Africans. Not just Abraham and Issac and Jacob and Moses, but also Sargon of Akkad and others.
19   AmericanKulak   2022 Nov 15, 10:54am  

Ceffer says


When I was at university, a building on the corner of Channing was renovated to become a new outpost called ‘Chabad Hpuse’. I had a Jewish buddy in my dorm who told me they were a radical sect. His father worked for Stanford Research Institute and his family lived in Redwood City. His sister studied Japanese and was recruited by the CIA. He, himself, had spent a summer at a kibbutz in Israel. In spite of all, he was somewhat detached about his religion.

Most kibbutzes at the time were secular, now they are rare and the few that exist are religious in nature.

Serious humor, and a nod to Thomas Sowell, the classic kibbutzim converted to basically Co-Ops as the 2nd/3rd generation rejected total communal living and "It takes a village" child rearing. So many are basically condo/housing associations that lease out any farmland or facilities to mitigate upkeep expenses. People buy and sell their unit and it's just like buying into a Co-Op building now.

So he's a secular Jew, and they often don't like more conservative Jews like Chabad, whose purpose is primarily to get secular Jews to be more observant and serious. Frequently, you see the Secular Jews pulling these stunts, sort of a wierd contempt of firm belief while creating drama/bloody shirts to wave. Not much different than Blacks who do this in a way. The supply of hate doesn't match demand.

Very strange relationship between Brooklyn Bolshies and Religious Jews.
20   stereotomy   2022 Nov 15, 11:18am  

AmericanKulak says

The supply of hate doesn't match demand.

As with antisemitism, so with racism.

"If sufficient antisemitism doesn't exist, we must manufacture more of it."
"If sufficient racism doesn't exist, we must manufacture more of it."

Fill in your own mad libs. It's all about divide and conquer. Every petty emperor knows this.
21   EBGuy   2022 Nov 15, 3:34pm  

This was Tiger Mom's follow on book:
Can a "Triple Package" of Personality Traits Explain Success?
The three traits are: a belief in the superiority of one’s own group, a tendency towards feelings of insecurity, and the ability to control one’s impulses. According to the book, individuals who belong to cultures that emphasize these three traits tend to do better. As examples of their theory at work, Chua and Rubenfeld point out the greater success of Mormons, Nigerians, Persians, Cubans, Indians, East Asians, Lebanese, and Jews.
22   EBGuy   2022 Nov 15, 4:18pm  

ADL did not like Chapelle on SNL either. It certainly was edgy:

original link
23   AmericanKulak   2022 Nov 15, 5:23pm  

My favorite is when they see those frescos from Syria and the Levant generally, typically the man will be olive skinned with wavy hair and they'll say "SEE?! We're really the Semites, us Black Africans!"

They ignore that on the frescos, and in keeping with Middle Eastern and Hellenic culture, the women were all pale skinned, just like most Arab/Syrian/Lebanese women are today. "Syrian Girl" (who lives in Oz) and Linda Cockroach both look they have lived under a glacier in a flour processing plant.

Why? The guys are herding cows and sheep, but the gals are inside the house with the loom and making Hummus, out of the sun.
24   Patrick   2022 Nov 15, 5:33pm  

AmericanKulak says

The supply of hate doesn't match demand.


Lol, that's a good way to put it.
25   Patrick   2022 Nov 15, 5:35pm  

AmericanKulak says

They ignore that on the frescos, and in keeping with Middle Eastern and Hellenic culture, the women were all pale skinned, just like most Arab/Syrian/Lebanese women are today.


I learned about this in an art history class I took in college, but it was about the Romans and their paintings and frescos. All men were depicted as a bit swarthy and all women as pale, because those were the male and female beauty ideals of the day. Not surprised that the rest of the Mediterranean did the same.
26   Patrick   2022 Nov 15, 5:53pm  

EBGuy says

ADL did not like Chapelle on SNL either:

original link



Oh man, that was brilliant!

Balls.
27   EBGuy   2022 Nov 15, 7:24pm  

This is an exclusive, so not clear if its actually true...
Dave Chappelle switched ‘SNL’ monologue between rehearsal and live show
Dave Chappelle did a “fake” “Saturday Night Live” monologue during the show’s dress rehearsal, sources said, and then switched his material for the live show.
A source told Page Six: “Dave does a fake monologue during the dress rehearsal, because he doesn’t want [‘SNL’ creator] Lorne Michaels, or anyone else, to know what his real monologue is.”
The source added that Chappelle made a joke during the dress rehearsal about a writer who refused to work with him this week on the show.
28   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Nov 15, 7:46pm  

its pretty tame. i temember eddy murphy joked about faggots.

not allowed anymore. america is a lot less free today.
29   Patrick   2022 Nov 16, 8:33pm  

https://www.thehebrewconservative.com/2022/02/03/how-to-create-anti-semitism-from-scratch/


Many American Jews have a somewhat obsessive fear about Anti-Semitism, despite there being very little of it in modern day to day American life. This manifests in them funding a bunch of organizations whose purported goal is to report on Anti-Semitism anywhere it rears its head in American society. There’s nothing wrong with keeping an eye out for it, but the problem comes in when these organizations come to depend on their reporting on finding Anti-Semitism for funding and status. They’re now incentivized to keep finding more Anti-Semitism to report on, so they explore deeper and darker corners of society, find people of less significance, and statements that are much further away from actual religious hatred. It turns out the audience isn’t that picky, and anything they can report pays.

This increasingly hysterical reporting on increasingly minor and ambiguous cases has troublesome side effects.
30   gabbar   2022 Nov 17, 12:46am  

Patrick says


https://www.thehebrewconservative.com/2022/02/03/how-to-create-anti-semitism-from-scratch/


Many American Jews have a somewhat obsessive fear about Anti-Semitism, despite there being very little of it in modern day to day American life. This manifests in them funding a bunch of organizations whose purported goal is to report on Anti-Semitism anywhere it rears its head in American society. There’s nothing wrong with keeping an eye out for it, but the problem comes in when these organizations come to depend on their reporting on finding Anti-Semitism for funding and status. They’re now incentivized to keep finding more Anti-Semitism to report on, so they explore deeper and darker corners of society, find people of less significance, and statements that are much further away from actual religious hatred. It turns o...

So, the almost non-existent antisemitism is being used to generate funding and it benefits the Jews!! Same can be said of Islamophobia. Interesting how Islam and Judaism seem to have these parallels.
31   Patrick   2022 Nov 17, 3:22am  

Well, it benefits certain organizations that need anti-semitism to exist in order to get Jews to donate.
32   gabbar   2022 Nov 17, 7:31am  

Patrick says

Well, it benefits certain organizations that need anti-semitism to exist in order to get Jews to donate.

So, its important for the public to figure out what is real and what is engineered.
34   richwicks   2022 Nov 17, 9:44am  

zzyzzx says




I listened to a portion of the International Jew, simply because it's banned, Ford really wasn't condemning them, he was just talking about it. He was heavily financed by Jewish interests.
35   AmericanKulak   2022 Nov 21, 10:31pm  

Inspiring commentariat at Times of Israel on a piece by some Yentaleftist who tries to blame Tucker for a lunatic invading her home:

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/weaponizing-mental-illness-or-why-accidents-arent-so-accidental/
36   Patrick   2022 Nov 25, 10:46pm  

Patrick says

Oddly, both the Amish and the Hasidic Jews wear black, have beards, and speak archaic dialects of German. Maybe some kind of convergent evolution that works to keep the group together.


Woah, maybe the relation is closer than I thought:


Maple syrup urine disease (MSUD) is a rare, inherited metabolic disorder. Its prevalence in the United States population is approximately 1 newborn out of 180,000 live births. However, in populations where there is a higher frequency of consanguinity, such as the Mennonites in Pennsylvania or the Amish, the frequency of MSUD is significantly higher at 1 newborn out of 176 live births. In Austria, 1 newborn out of 250,000 live births inherits MSUD.[13] It also is believed to have a higher prevalence in certain populations due in part to the founder effect[14] since MSUD has a much higher prevalence in children of Amish, Mennonite, and Jewish descent.


OK, Amish and Jews lived in the same Rheinland region, still speak German dialects from there, and have a genetic disease in common. There is probably some common ancestry among them.
38   Patrick   2022 Dec 3, 10:52am  



This is clearly true in all corporate media.

Accusations of "white supremacy"? Constantly!

Accusations of Jewish supremacy? Not a peep.
39   gabbar   2022 Dec 3, 1:38pm  

Patrick says


Accusations of Jewish supremacy? Not a peep.

Guess who owns the corporate media? The Jews. The question is why is white supremacy highlighted; to hide the fact of Jewish supremacy. They are holier than other communities in the US. They are the untouchables.
40   Patrick   2023 Mar 16, 3:42pm  

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11868185/Joe-Rogans-podcast-comments-Jewish-people-controlling-media-leave-Spotify-nervous.html


Joe Rogan's podcast comments about Jewish people being 'into money' and 'controlling the media' in the wake of Kanye's meltdown 'have left Spotify bosses nervous', as his $200m contract comes up for renewal
Rogan sparked controversy over comments on race, COVID and cancel culture
Sources suggest Spotify may no longer want to deal with defending comedian
$200million Spotify deal is set to expire at some point this year


Jewish people are into money. This is not news, and it's not slander. It's just a cultural fact.

And it's also true that the corporate media is very heavily Jewish, far more than the percent of Jews in the population.

People should be able to say those things, because they are true.

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