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Civic virtue is not profitable, so how can it compete with corruption?
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2023 Jan 19, 3:09pm 742 views 15 comments
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Patrick
2023 Jan 19, 7:05pm
Patrick
2023 Jan 19, 7:05pm
It's my own writing.
I've been reading my aunt's Latin textbook, and most of the stories are about civic virtue, ancient Romans sacrificing themselves for the safety and prosperity of Rome. We have nothing like that these days in America. Then again, those stories are all from the early days of Rome. In later Rome, it was just as corrupt as America is now.
I've been reading my aunt's Latin textbook, and most of the stories are about civic virtue, ancient Romans sacrificing themselves for the safety and prosperity of Rome. We have nothing like that these days in America. Then again, those stories are all from the early days of Rome. In later Rome, it was just as corrupt as America is now.
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GNL
2023 Jan 19, 7:17pm
GNL
2023 Jan 19, 7:17pm
I have an ex friend who is retired army. He thinks he's a hero and sacrificed his life for America. During covid he actually said he hoped the government would force everyone to take the jab. And that's why he's an EX friend.
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GNL
2023 Jan 19, 7:21pm
GNL
2023 Jan 19, 7:21pm
To answer your question, yes, it is hopeless. It's already too late. We simply cannot overcome all of the damage. Just one of the ways, as you pointed out, is the race issue. A society must have homogeny. Race issues will NEVER go away. It is human nature.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Jan 20, 3:30am
AmericanKulak
2023 Jan 20, 3:30am
GNL says
I know ex-military guys who get ANGRY not because there are Trannies in the military, but because you remind them there are, if that makes any sense.
Like it's my fault there are mentally ill officers being forced on soldiers.
I have an ex friend who is retired army. He thinks he's a hero and sacrificed his life for America. During covid he actually said he hoped the government would force everyone to take the jab. And that's why he's an EX friend.
I know ex-military guys who get ANGRY not because there are Trannies in the military, but because you remind them there are, if that makes any sense.
Like it's my fault there are mentally ill officers being forced on soldiers.
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WookieMan
2023 Jan 20, 4:12am
WookieMan
2023 Jan 20, 4:12am
HeadSet says
For Federal and Statewide offices for sure. We had a 40 year political hack Mike Madigan as Speak of the House in IL and look how IL is viewed. He's under investigation for all sorts of shit now. I'd also say cities of 200k or more population have term limits for alderman as well. Speaking of alderman I'm guessing the day of reckoning is coming for that word.
Another is every 2 year cycle the VOTERS get to decide pay raises or pay CUTS on a referendum. Give like 5 choices. Like 0%, 1%, -1%, etc. Or just a blanket vote that Congress critters get paid the median family household wage. Let them know what it's like to get paid like half their constituents. Though that might lead to side hustles with big corporations making them vulnerable to be bought, though I'm not sure that's legal.
And another, your spouse and the elected official cannot invest NEW money while in office. And they cannot make any trades of existing funds. It just has to sit there.
Politics shouldn't be a career really is the point. None of this would ever happen though. It's fun to dream though... lol.
Term limits.
For Federal and Statewide offices for sure. We had a 40 year political hack Mike Madigan as Speak of the House in IL and look how IL is viewed. He's under investigation for all sorts of shit now. I'd also say cities of 200k or more population have term limits for alderman as well. Speaking of alderman I'm guessing the day of reckoning is coming for that word.
Another is every 2 year cycle the VOTERS get to decide pay raises or pay CUTS on a referendum. Give like 5 choices. Like 0%, 1%, -1%, etc. Or just a blanket vote that Congress critters get paid the median family household wage. Let them know what it's like to get paid like half their constituents. Though that might lead to side hustles with big corporations making them vulnerable to be bought, though I'm not sure that's legal.
And another, your spouse and the elected official cannot invest NEW money while in office. And they cannot make any trades of existing funds. It just has to sit there.
Politics shouldn't be a career really is the point. None of this would ever happen though. It's fun to dream though... lol.
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HeadSet
2023 Jan 20, 8:17am
HeadSet
2023 Jan 20, 8:17am
GNL says
Sounds like your ex-friend is a sucker for propaganda. That "hero" diatribe has been put out for years for anyone who merely suits up in a military uniform. And believing that government should force everyone to take the jab means he would be better suited in a Stasi outfit.
I have an ex friend who is retired army. He thinks he's a hero and sacrificed his life for America. During covid he actually said he hoped the government would force everyone to take the jab. And that's why he's an EX friend.
Sounds like your ex-friend is a sucker for propaganda. That "hero" diatribe has been put out for years for anyone who merely suits up in a military uniform. And believing that government should force everyone to take the jab means he would be better suited in a Stasi outfit.
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Patrick
2023 Jan 20, 9:00am
Patrick
2023 Jan 20, 9:00am
AmericanKulak says
He probably doesn't want to be reminded that he's so spineless that he did not object to trannies in the military, while deep down he knows he should have.
I know ex-military guys who get ANGRY not because there are Trannies in the military, but because you remind them there are, if that makes any sense.
Like it's my fault there are mentally ill officers being forced on soldiers.
He probably doesn't want to be reminded that he's so spineless that he did not object to trannies in the military, while deep down he knows he should have.
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NuttBoxer
2023 Jan 20, 11:44am
NuttBoxer
2023 Jan 20, 11:44am
What's never a lost cause is personal virtue/morality. And that's where we should always start. Your greatest influence start with yourself, your wife and kids, your parents and siblings, your friends, your relatives, your neighborhood. If you've done all of that, then you can start to consider larger influence, but majority of us will never be big enough to move outside those circles with much lasting impact.
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Patrick
2023 Jan 20, 11:53am
Patrick
2023 Jan 20, 11:53am
True, personal virtue comes first. Without that, nothing else good can happen.
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HeadSet
2023 Jan 20, 1:59pm
HeadSet
2023 Jan 20, 1:59pm
Patrick says
Everyone on Earth has perfect virtue, just ask them. People can rationalize anything, and always put themselves within the circle of good people. Biden apparently sees no problem with grift, plagiarism, and fraud, but sees as evil anyone who would oppose him.
True, personal virtue comes first. Without that, nothing else good can happen.
Everyone on Earth has perfect virtue, just ask them. People can rationalize anything, and always put themselves within the circle of good people. Biden apparently sees no problem with grift, plagiarism, and fraud, but sees as evil anyone who would oppose him.
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Patrick
2023 Jan 20, 2:09pm
Patrick
2023 Jan 20, 2:09pm
Yes, Biden has the typical mafia mentality, where it's only about what you can get away with.
Pfauci, Collins, and Bourla are clearly the same way.
Pfauci, Collins, and Bourla are clearly the same way.
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stereotomy
2023 Jan 20, 2:45pm
stereotomy
2023 Jan 20, 2:45pm
We must reject their "morality" as completely as they reject our right to exist. This is basic Highschool Cliques 101. If everyone except their sycophants ignored or boycotted them, they would get the hint. I learned that life is HIGHSCHOOL for most people. The last formative years of their lives were highschool. Once you start treating these people like teenagers, start observing them, and you might just remember that this is how kids in the top cliques responded to challenges from the geeks or the losers.
The fact is, there are many more of us than there are of them. They throw us sops - just go along and you can be "cool" like us too. Fuck them.
They got the guns, but
We got the numbers.
Gonna win, yeah, we're
Taking over
Come on!
The fact is, there are many more of us than there are of them. They throw us sops - just go along and you can be "cool" like us too. Fuck them.
They got the guns, but
We got the numbers.
Gonna win, yeah, we're
Taking over
Come on!
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AmericanKulak
2023 Jan 20, 6:16pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Jan 20, 6:16pm
Patrick says
He also feels it degrades his military service, which was a decade ago before this shit started happening.
But instead of fighting it, it's easier to attack the messenger.
He probably doesn't want to be reminded that he's so spineless that he did not object to trannies in the military, while deep down he knows he should have.
He also feels it degrades his military service, which was a decade ago before this shit started happening.
But instead of fighting it, it's easier to attack the messenger.
Obviously civic virtue is not directly profitable. It is profitable in the long term because a healthy society produces more for its citizens, but the effect is very indirect and requires a lot of people working together towards the same societal goals.
But corruption is profitable here and now. When Pfizer's managment conspired with Fauci and Collins to inject everyone with the very profitable toxxine, they directly enriched themselves at the cost of the health of billions of people, and at the cost of undermining confidence in our institutions to resist corruption. They don't care. They got the money.
So is there any way for a society to prevent itself from falling into widespread corruption and the resulting poverty? I can think of at least three ways:
1. Unity as Americans. Division by race must be completely rejected and not even spoken about. To speak about racial division inflames it. As Morgan Freeman said to Mike Wallace. "Stop talking about it." Illegals must be deported pronto, because they are aliens who have broken the law already. American history should be taught and venerated, and anyone tearing down a historical US statue should be put to work creating ten statues for every one he helped to tear down, especially statues of US presidents.
2. Voting and shopping against corruption. People actually have more power in how they choose to spend their money than in voting, which has obviously been fraudulent on a mass scale lately. But we can choose to avoid giving corrupt businesses our money. Except for Pfizer - they take our money by getting the government to tax us for it. The entire board and all Pfizer executives should be personally charged with mass fraud and imprisoned.
3. Education. We need children to be aware of and to call out corruption so that they will continue to do so throughout their lives. We need many children's books and movies about corruption, preferably with a hero child who exposes it, kind of like the child who called out the emperor's lack of clothes.
Other ideas? Or is it hopeless already? America does seem to be sinking into the mire of corruption because of all Democrats and more than half of the Republicans in Congress.