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RWSGFY says

I don't think it's possible to set up and succesfully execute a railroad-wide conspiracy to keep one particular train car out of regular maintenance and then put it in a right place at a right time.

No one said that, this is routine maintenance neglected for all cars according to railway worker. So they wouldn't have to look far for a candidate.

RWSGFY says

Kill some chickens in 10 mile (OK, I'll be generous - 100 mile) circle around a small town in Ohio and thus force the whole world to "eat ze bugz"

People have reported pollution outside of the state, more than 100 miles away. Read up on the Ohio River, and river valley, and the farming in that area. Millions of people's food and drinking water is poisoned for decades to come. The small farm is more important to our survival than almost anything else. And it's been disappearing since the Industrial Repollution.

RWSGFY says

There must be more efficient means to reach that end methinks.

Like a shot they force you to inject? But like I said, don't under-estimate the damage this does to an already strained food industry.

If you don't connect the dots and see the bigger picture of the enemy who's attacking you, you will continue to fall into his traps.

Bd6r says

Appears to be completely fake:

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/npgd0658.html

That section doesn't appear to reference the same information. It's pretty easy to see with a web search that in January they modified Vinyl Chloride.
https://old.reddittorjg6rue252oqsxryoxengawnmo46qy4kyii5wtqnwfj4ooad.onion/r/conspiracy/comments/113d47o/why_did_the_cdc_update_their_profile_for_vinyl/j8qt4yp/
https://web.archive.org/web/20230206190743/https://wwwn.cdc.gov/TSP/ToxFAQs/ToxFAQsDetails.aspx?faqid=281&toxid=51
https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp20.pdf

WookieMan says

Do you shit in a toilet? Whether you like it or not, these chemicals are a necessity.

Explain human survival for thousands of years without them. Composting toilets are more efficient, and environmentally friendly. Although their wrong about this being the biggest environmental disaster in the US. That's DuPont...

I would want to test the water and soil in East Palestine and surrounding areas. Trace that to the death of the animals (chickens, fish, etc.).

I read the MSDS and it states this: "Ensure emergency procedures to deal with accidental gas releases are in place to avoid contamination of the environment. Inform the relevant authorities if the product has caused environmental pollution (sewers, waterways, soil or air)."

Also the MSDS states to wear a respirator when responding to spills and when working with this gas in poorly ventilated spaces.

Vinyl chloride is given a rating of 2 on a health scale of 0 (no health risk) to 4 (deadly) within the MSDS.

Source:
https://www.airgas.com/msds/001067.pdf

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WookieMan says

NuttBoxer says

If this burst in the ground we likely wouldn't even hear about it.

Unless you are underneath the water table any leaks would eventually find their way in the ground water. Double confinement with leak detection (24 in pipe inside 36 in pipe) would mitigate that risk.

Can it be done.. yes? Is it economical? Hasn't been historically. But if the green crew really wants to improve things for future generations... your idea has merit. Plus it would create jobs here in America.

Win. Win.

Patrick says

The real boss move would be to chestfeed on live TV - that'd shut up everybody for good.

NuttBoxer says

That section doesn't appear to reference the same information. It's pretty easy to see with a web search that in January they modified Vinyl Chloride.
https://old.reddittorjg6rue252oqsxryoxengawnmo46qy4kyii5wtqnwfj4ooad.onion/r/conspiracy/comments/113d47o/why_did_the_cdc_update_their_profile_for_vinyl/j8qt4yp/
https://web.archive.org/web/20230206190743/https://wwwn.cdc.gov/TSP/ToxFAQs/ToxFAQsDetails.aspx?faqid=281&toxid=51
https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp20.pdf

I can't find anywhere that they changed lethal exposure from 100 ppm to 100,000 ppm. I think this type of fake information is inserted to deboooonk other, serious claims. "This board claimed that they changed lethal exposure, which is wrong - it means that other 100 documented things must also be wrong".

Bd6r says

I can't find anywhere that they changed lethal exposure from 100 ppm to 100,000 ppm.

On that part same. The only time 100k comes up is in exposure for rats and mice studies. The important part here is they did edit it after a long time of no change, right before Vinyl Chloride was released at levels never before seen.

The MSDS for vinyl chloride lists the exposure limits as follows

5 PPM for 15 minutes

1 PPM for 8 hours

Source:
https://www.airgas.com/msds/001067.pdf

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Bd6r says

I can't find anywhere that they changed lethal exposure from 100 ppm to 100,000 ppm. I think this type of fake information is inserted to deboooonk other, serious claims.

Yes, that's what it's exactly.

It's tempting to think this is just an honest mistake, or some asshole is just trolling. That's POSSIBLE.

But it's more likely intelligence. This is called kookification. This propaganda method is to feed people who are on the right track of some government malfeasance, and to get them to repeat something so anybody listening to them stops listening to them, when they repeat something false about an event.

9/11 was most likely done by our government, by if you talk about it, there's so much BULLSHIT that is out there, that you seem like a nut if you bring it up. That's what Judy Woods is for. She claims the buildings were destroyed by "directed energy weapons". She's got credentials, but she's a fucking intelligence asset. She's full of shit, and that's her job, to be full of shit to cover up for gross criminality in our government.

https://notthebee.com/article/this-viral-train-track-isnt-in-the-3rd-world-this-is-ohio

I'm beginning to understand why that train derailed in East Palestine. Watch 👇

WTF?

GNL says

WTF?

Shutup!

We need to spend more fucking money on WAR!!!!

At one point, I was anti-war because of morality. Now I'm anti-war for the survival of our fucking nation.

richwicks says

GNL says

WTF?

Shutup!

We need to spend more fucking money on WAR!!!!

At one point, I was anti-war because of morality. Now I'm anti-war for the survival of our fucking nation.

Remind me not to live near any railroads.

Define near…

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/02/18/exclusive-ohio-sen-michael-rulli-im-begging-you-not-to-drink-the-water-in-east-palestine-it-is-not-safe/

Have they already stopped PA Amish, et al, from selling their products?

Patrick says

https://notthebee.com/article/this-viral-train-track-isnt-in-the-3rd-world-this-is-ohio

I'm beginning to understand why that train derailed in East Palestine. Watch 👇

Jesus christ, you guys do know this isn't real, right? That is clear and obvious video editing. That's an absolute impossibility if you've walked tracks. 100%. They took an image of an old rail line and superimposed the train on it. A good video editor could do that in 20 minutes. You can see the edits.

I thought not the bee was the one that told truthful info? Babylon was the satire site? Maybe I'm the idiot here and this was satire, but that 100% is not real. Please tell me no one thinks this is real??

WookieMan says

Jesus christ, you guys do know this isn't real, right? That is clear and obvious video editing. That's an absolute impossibility if you've walked tracks. 100%.

I can't see the edits, but I don't have any training for it. Explain it.

I sure hope it's fake. That looks crazy.

richwicks says

WookieMan says

Jesus christ, you guys do know this isn't real, right? That is clear and obvious video editing. That's an absolute impossibility if you've walked tracks. 100%.

I can't see the edits, but I don't have any training for it. Explain it.

I hope this is sarcasm. I appreciate your takes Rich, but seriously? It's a still image with a train superimposed. Easy tell it's fake. First, no nature, no movement of tree limbs. They're blurry, yet the train is clear. They cut if off before the "rough" part where the gauge/width of the track has no possibly of traversing. Also ZERO chance any rail line lets trees grow that close to the tracks let alone multi ton expensive cargo to traverse those tracks.

Just the curves in the rails make it fake. It's an old rail line someone took a photo of and some crafty video editor threw a train on it which is child's play. No train engineer would go through something that looks remotely like that. I don't have a link or proof, but from my educated opinion with some okay video editing and knowledge, it's fake as can be. Watch the trees. There's glitches in the video every 3-5 seconds or so, sometimes shorter.

Rewatched it 10 times now for this comment. 1,000% fake.

WookieMan says

There's glitches in the video every 3-5 seconds or so, sometimes shorter.

Yes, the "jump cuts" are obvious. Also, railroads do constant maintaining of even the stones below the tracks, let alone the rails.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlSOMfDX-yY

WookieMan says

I hope this is sarcasm. I appreciate your takes Rich, but seriously?

Haha, maybe my eyesight is getting worse but I think you've just not seen the original, but rather a reduced quality copy.

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1626356622279819264?ref_src=patrick.net

Tree limbs are clearly moving, and what you think are "cuts" are just MP4 encoding transitions I think.

Who knows if that's in the United States, or if that rail line is often used.

Here, I think this is the same track.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRWfjEaIHXc&list=PLXB1oy61PghkCYDaukknFx0YV-xW7bnZU&index=26

Trump Jr thinks Pukin ordered the Ohio derailment.

richwicks says

Who knows if that's in the United States, or if that rail line is often used.

Yes, if that is in a 3rd world country, I could certainly believe it. Just look at some roads in 3rd world countries. They can't even maintain those well.

RWSGFY says

Trump Jr thinks Pukin ordered the Ohio derailment.

You're full of crap.

Post links or quit making bullshit claims.

At this point, it's justifiable to assume you're lying, intentionally. You're dishonest, a lot.

richwicks says

Here, I think this is the same track.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRWfjEaIHXc&list=PLXB1oy61PghkCYDaukknFx0YV-xW7bnZU&index=26

From the 1970's. 1:29 mark look at the car in the background. I'm sure they did that shit back then not maintaining tracks. No chance in hell that's happening now. The only caveat is needing to utilize a route in an emergency. Original video Patrick posted is fake though for sure.

I'm sure there are overgrown tracks that are rarely used. I don't doubt that. Likely not used at speeds that would derail a train. They send out locomotives to clear tracks in the mountains just to see the rails. You derail millions of dollars in products and equipment, especially chemicals, you're in deep shit financially.

Either way, they said it was a wheel bearing failure from what I've read. Not impossible. Improbable. But definitely not shitty looking tracks like the video I first commented on. A train cannot traverse those tracks. It's physics and math. No chance. The width of the rails was too far apart in multiple sections.

WookieMan says

Original video Patrick posted is fake though for sure.

This is the original video:

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1626356622279819264?ref_src=patrick.net

It does not have cuts, it's not a static picture, that's a real train moving. I think the reason the one posted here in mp4 form, is that it's been over-compressed.

The way modern compression works is that sprites are made of what changes in the video, and what doesn't change can simply not be updated. If you over-compress it, the background will appear to NOT move, or will jump when it gets updated. I think that's why it appears that branches aren't moving and the picture looks very low res and is not moving.

I don't really want to die on this hill though. Our infrastructure sucks, and our government has betrayed the population.

If this was 1980, and this happened, Palestine Ohio would have been evacuated. The government just lies to us, it's ridiculous. FINALLY people are waking up to it. They wouldn't just fucking deny anything happened. 40 years ago, the media and government would be like "we can't just ignore this" EVEN if they wanted to. They don't even give a shit about their credibility anymore.

WookieMan says

Either way, they said it was a wheel bearing failure from what I've read. Not impossible. Improbable.

There's a video where a security camera caught the train passing where a car APPEARS to be on fire on the bottom of the car. That was 20 miles before the accident.

I don't want to look it up to find it, and honestly given our intelligence agencies, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a faked video just to sow confusion about the whole thing.

richwicks says

I don't really want to die on this hill though. Our infrastructure sucks, and our government has betrayed the population.

Going to have to disagree again. At least here in IL. Our roads and bridges aren't perfect. They're way ahead of other nations. Just because we don't have high speed rail doesn't mean it's shit. Our freight rail is probably 2nd to air travel in safety.. This literally is what my wife does for a living. People from across the globe come here to learn about our infrastructure. Americans just bitch a lot about it so we tend to think it's shit. It's simply not.

We have too much land mass, so we don't have what Europeans have with regards to trains. We don't need it either, too slow even high speed. Given the land mass we're experts on engineering the stuff we need. Even with high speed I'm in St. Louis from Chicago in an 45 min on a jet. A train with stops going 220mph is still 3+ hours to St. Louis. Both options you'd have to drive and park so that's not a valid point.

We're a self deprecating nation. Real estate and infrastructure are two topic I know better than almost anyone active on this forum. I spend hours studying it and learning about my wife's work. I meet and know the people that build it all. There are NOT active train tracks like the ones shown in the video. 100%. The video is a fake or not in the US. Even then I'm skeptical it's foreign.

What's it called, deep fake or whatever? You can take my image and voice and make me say what you want on video. Taking a still image, tossing a train on it is something a high schooler could do. The image may be real, but it's physically impossible for a train to stay on that track. It's superimposed.

WookieMan says

We have too much land mass, so we don't have what Europeans have with regards to trains. We don't need it either, too slow even high speed. Given the land mass we're experts on engineering the stuff we need. Even with high speed I'm in St. Louis from Chicago in an 45 min on a jet.

Not talking about trains.

When I say infrastructure, if we went to war with China, we'd be fucked. Look at everything around you, what was made in this country? Our education system sucks. Chicago is a freaking gangland. Our electrical system and water system hasn't been updated in decades.

We don't need high speed trains, I'd agree with that. We're too corrupt as a nation to build them anyhow. Project is planned, money is stolen, it eventually gets shut down.

WookieMan says

What's it called, deep fake or whatever? You can take my image and voice and make me say what you want on video. Taking a still image, tossing a train on it is something a high schooler could do.

I doubt the rail line is that often used, but I wouldn't be a BIT surprised if that's a real rail line. One of links I gave you just has a collection of shitty rail lines.

Palestine Ohio is dead, I'll bet my left nut that the homeowners at best get a token amount of money, and the rail road doesn't suffer any serious consequences.

We just spent 2 years poisoning people with vaccines that don't fucking work. That's our country.

We are so goddamned bankrupt it's not funny.

Yes, in some very real ways, we are already a 3rd world country.

richwicks says

One of links I gave you just has a collection of shitty rail lines.

Which could have been from anywhere. Could be the US, from 1970, that's 50 years ago. 1:29 in that video look at the car in the background. That is NOT 2012. I don't care about rail lines from 50 years ago. That wasn't 2012 or 2023. We do sell train engines to other countries as well. Grass growing just means it's a one off branch use maybe monthly for one industry. Doesn't mean it's dilapidated or non-functional.

China isn't a problem. Our major infrastructure is built in place. Concrete materials, asphalt, oils, etc. Steel would be the only thing, but most modern bridges are concrete with rebar prefabbed and dropped in via crane. This is in Wisconsin. Check a manhole cover walking around even in CA. You'll likely see Neenah, WI on it. https://groupnei.com/

Concrete: https://www.prairie.com/en-us

I'm 12 minutes from a quarry that does gravel for the region and mixes asphalt there. Again, all American.

If you're worried about cheap Chinese toys, I could understand. My uncle had massively huge contracts with Caterpillar here in IL. I'm not talking out my ass. I know the industry. I don't want to dox myself. My wife will be a national figure at some point. I've fucked around to much here for it to ever be found so I tread lightly. Send links all day. I know what I'm talking about on this topic.

To elaborate, do you think China is reporting their freight train derailments? Answer, no. Guess who doesn't show up to the national conferences for infrastructure.... China. I've met people from most European nations, Australia, SE Asia, Brazil, etc. They are NOT going to China for infrastructure tips. Demographics are the mitigating factor in all of this. Much of the world is fucked. We need to navigate the shit storm that's coming in a global economy. China doesn't want war. They'd have Taiwan by now if they could or wanted to.

https://sinfest.xyz/

I guess that they don't trust the EPA who has declared the water to be 'safe to drink'

Cincinnati Closes Ohio River Water Intake as Safety Precaution After East Palestine Train Derailment

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/02/19/cincinnati-closes-ohio-river-water-intake-as-safety-precaution-after-east-palestine-train-derailment/

And ...

Exclusive: Top 9/11 Lawyer Says EPA Claim Ohio Air ‘Safe’ Sent ‘Shivers Up My Spine’ – ‘Stay Away, Don’t Believe EPA’

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/02/19/exclusive-top-9-11-lawyer-says-epa-claim-ohio-air-safe-sent-shivers-up-my-spine-stay-away-dont-believe-epa/