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Greeted like Liberators: Ukraine Invasion Thread


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2022 Feb 23, 8:30pm   289,830 views  3,716 comments

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2008   Patrick   2023 Feb 27, 10:37pm  


kanekoa.substack.com
@KanekoaTheGreat
Noam Chomsky explains how US involvement in Ukraine and the expansion of NATO to Russia's border created the War in Ukraine:

"The idea that Ukraine would join a western military alliance would be quite unacceptable to any Russian leader. Gorbachev agreed to allow Germany to join NATO with a quid pro quo that NATO would not expand one inch to the east. NATO instantly moved to east Germany. Then Clinton came along and expanded NATO right to the borders of Russia."

REPORTER: You can understand why Ukraine's president would see joining NATO as protecting his country?

"No, it's not. Crimea was taken away after the overthrow of the government, right? He's not protecting Ukraine; he's threatening Ukraine with a major war. This is a strategic threat to Russia which any Russian leader would have to react to."


Wow, the "left" lost even Noam Chomsky.
2009   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2023 Feb 28, 7:02am  

Patrick says


kanekoa.substack.com
KanekoaTheGreat
Noam Chomsky explains how US involvement in Ukraine and the expansion of NATO to Russia's border created the War in Ukraine:

"The idea that Ukraine would join a western military alliance would be quite unacceptable to any Russian leader. Gorbachev agreed to allow Germany to join NATO with a quid pro quo that NATO would not expand one inch to the east. NATO instantly moved to east Germany. Then Clinton came along and expanded NATO right to the borders of Russia."

REPORTER: You can understand why Ukraine's president would see joining NATO as protecting his country?

"No, it's not. Crimea was taken away after the overthrow of the government, right? He's not protecting Ukraine; he's threatening Ukraine with a major war. This is a strategic threat to Russia which any Russian leader would have to react to."


Wow, the "left" lost even Noam Chomsky.


today DoD running around cancelling evwryone who speaks against their war plans.
2012   NuttBoxer   2023 Feb 28, 9:25am  

socal2 says

Oh please - there are threads on this forum with absolute glee about how much Ukrainian land Russia is going to keep at the end of the war and how much Europe will freeze to death.


How does that mean Russia is a Utopia?

socal2 says

There is nary a word negative about Putin, but this site is filled with vitriol against Zelensky for trying to lead his nation against Russia's illegal invasion and mass murder.


Putin is a KGB dictator, but I've said that before, many, many times. IF ANYONE DISAGREES, PLEASE COMMENT! Will you give me all your patnet money when no one disagrees?

Zelensky is an actor, that's why he got an Oscar. He was prominently featured in the Panama Papers, did you read that? It happened before last February, so guessing no. Zelensky is pushing for nuclear conflict, his soldiers are tying little girls to light poles. That's your hero? There was dramatic increase in shelling of ethnic Russian regions inside Ukraine before Russia attacked, as reported by an independent watchdog. Your one sided take is typical for a warhawk who doesn't live there, and won't server there.

socal2 says

Don't tell me there aren't Putin defenders here.


Let's see. If not, will you pay up, or even better, admit you are wrong?

In the past year I've agreed with Bernie Sanders, Ilhan Omar, AOC, Musk, Trump, and Putin. I don't support any of them. Some are Satanists, some communists, and some are just fucking evil. But they've all said things that were true. So do I deny the truth because I don't like them? No, that would be allowing them power to warp my reality, which sounds like something a crazy person would do.
2013   socal2   2023 Feb 28, 9:49am  

NuttBoxer says

Your one sided take is typical for a warhawk who doesn't live there, and won't server there.


Huh?

I'm being accused of being a warhawk for siding with the DEFENDERS and wanting the war to end as fast as possible? The fastest way for the war to end is for the AGGRESSOR (Russia) to give up trying to destroy and conquer their sovereign neighbor.

Every other option from Russia trying to take Kiev or just hang onto their marginal gains in Eastern Ukraine will result in a decades long slog, more deaths and risk of WWIII.

So if you truly are "antiwar" - you should want the AGGRESSOR forces who illegally invaded their neighbor to stop and return home.

But I guess we need to keep the killing going and risk potential WWIII because there are Satanists, WEF-Homos, and Democrat/Biden money laundering to sort out?
2014   Patrick   2023 Feb 28, 2:54pm  


James Phillips
@JamesPhillips00
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Zelinsky:

Ukraine needs fresh young Americans to help fight on the ground war.

"The US will have to send their Son's & Daughter's... to WAR..."

"....and they will be DYING."
2016   beershrine   2023 Feb 28, 7:46pm  

There is no real war you morons it is designed to bilk the US out of billions and it's working fucking morons. Look at the war map again the "war" is BS. Ukraine is corrupt as fuck and so is Biden.
2018   Patrick   2023 Mar 1, 10:39am  

Patrick says

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/02/wth-janet-yellen-makes-surprise-visit-to-kiev-to-announce-another-1-25-billion-in-aid-to-ukraine/



WTH? Janet Yellen Makes ‘Surprise’ Visit to Kiev to Announce Another $1.25 Billion in Aid to Ukraine


I am starting to think that Ihor Kolomoisky really is in control of the whole US government. Maybe he has all the dirt Epstein collected.


https://babylonbee.com/news/to-save-time-treasury-secretary-yellen-gives-zelensky-key-to-us-treasury

2019   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2023 Mar 1, 5:09pm  

Patrick says

Patrick says


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/02/wth-janet-yellen-makes-surprise-visit-to-kiev-to-announce-another-1-25-billion-in-aid-to-ukraine/




WTH? Janet Yellen Makes ‘Surprise’ Visit to Kiev to Announce Another $1.25 Billion in Aid to Ukraine


I am starting to think that Ihor Kolomoisky really is in control of the whole US government. Maybe he has all the dirt Epstein collected.



https://babylonbee.com/news/to-save-time-treasury-secretary-yellen-gives-zelensky-key-to-us-treasury


joke on him, its empty!!!
2020   richwicks   2023 Mar 1, 5:22pm  

NuttBoxer says

Putin is a KGB dictator, but I've said that before, many, many times. IF ANYONE DISAGREES, PLEASE COMMENT!


I disagree. The KGB doesn't exist, anymore than the SS or the Stasi does.
2022   HeadSet   2023 Mar 2, 5:57pm  

Yes, no taxes to Alaska or Hawaii.
2023   Onvacation   2023 Mar 2, 6:04pm  

HeadSet says

Yes, no taxes to Alaska or Hawaii.

Or from! They'd be better off.
2026   Patrick   2023 Mar 4, 7:57pm  

https://notthebee.com/article/kjp-today-the-biden-administration-is-announcing-its-33rd-security-assistance-package-for-ukraine


KJP: "Today the Biden administration is announcing its 33rd security assistance package for Ukraine."
2036   Patrick   2023 Mar 10, 6:57am  

https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/02/26/ukraine-finds-stepping-up-mobilisation-is-not-so-easy


Ruslan kubay was surprised to receive a draft notice in late January. Registered as seriously disabled since childhood—Mr Kubay is missing both hands—he falls under a list of automatic exemptions from service. Even more surprising, however, was the reaction of officials at the local registration office in Drohobych, near Lviv. Far from admitting their error, they doubled down and declared him fit for service. Only a social-media post and a subsequent national scandal reversed the decision.

Mr Kubay’s case was an extreme, but far from isolated, incident. Ukraine has visibly stepped up mobilisation activities in the first two months of this year. There have been reports of draft notices issued (and sometimes violently enforced) at military funerals in Lviv, checkpoints in Kharkiv, shopping centres in Kyiv and on street corners in Odessa. Popular ski resorts lie deserted despite the first proper snows of the winter: footage of military officials snooping around on the slopes was enough to keep the crowds away. In every town and city across the country social-media channels share information about where recruitment officers may be lurking.
2037   AmericanKulak   2023 Mar 11, 9:54am  

B-B-but, I thought every Ukrainian was super eager to go fight, and that dragooning gov goons were practically unnecessary?

The NYT said so this time last year:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/10/world/asia/ukraine-draft-dodgers.html

Meanwhile, new Ukie Laws require Government agencies to designate at least half of their staff Draft eligible:
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/11701

And a meta-question that needs to be asked: If men are subject to the Draft/Selective Service, what offsetting benefit that women don't receive, do they get?
2038   PeopleUnited   2023 Mar 11, 11:24am  

AmericanKulak says

And a meta-question that needs to be asked: If men are subject to the Draft/Selective Service, what offsetting benefit that women don't receive, do they get?

Testicals
2039   Patrick   2023 Mar 13, 10:59am  




We need to change the illegitimate and despotic regime in DC.
2040   Ceffer   2023 Mar 13, 11:05am  

What about the foreign occupied foreign city state of Washington DC, controlled by Satanic inversion lies by obligation, didn't anyone understand?
2043   Patrick   2023 Mar 16, 9:35pm  

https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/a-policy-error-of-historic-proportions


"A Policy Error of Historic Proportions"
1997 letter to President Clinton by US cold warriors who opposed Nato expansion.

By JOHN LEAKE

When Dr. McCullough and I started this Substack, we agreed that he would primarily focus on COVID-19 scientific-medical scholarship, and I would investigate how the COVID-19 pandemic response is related to other major public policy issues. Occasionally, some of our readers have exhorted me to “stay in our lane”—that is, to remain focused on matters pertaining to the COVID-19 fiasco.

Because Substack is a free speech platform, and because we welcome critical opinions, I have never felt compelled to respond to these exhortations to “stay in our lane.” To some degree, I consider my critics to have a valid point. As Fitzgerald elegantly put it in The Great Gatsby, “Life is much more successfully looked at from a single window.”

On the other hand, I believe my critics are overlooking a point so obvious that it might as well strike them in the head with a baseball bat—namely, the same corrupt government nincompoops responsible for the COVID-19 fiasco are also responsible for every other catastrophic policy blunder they are currently afflicting on mankind.

For example, let’s take the U.S. government’s catastrophic mismanagement of its relations with Russia the last thirty years. I have closely observed this disaster in the making since I moved to Vienna, Austria for an academic fellowship in 1996. On the plane to Vienna I read the July 15, 1996 Time Magazine cover story about how secret American advisors helped Boris Yeltsin to win that year’s presidential election.

Even at the time I remember thinking it was a bit presumptuous to think that it was perfectly okay for American agents to meddle in a Russian election, and I wondered how Americans would feel if it were reported that Russian agents had provided clandestine assistance to Bill Clinton in his 1996 presidential campaign against Bob Dole.

I read the Time cover story with keen interest, because for many years I’d been an avid student of 20th century Russian history. Yeltsin’s presidency marked the total triumph of American interests with respect to Russia, which had suffered a decisive loss of the Cold War. As I saw it—living in Austria, whose neutrality the Soviets had recognized and respected since 1955—in 1996 it was up to the Americans to welcome and assist Russia in becoming a partner with the West.

The following year, I read the news of how the Clinton Administration had decided to expand NATO membership to the east, ever closer to Russia’s border, and I wondered about the rationale for doing this. Though I’d never really known what to make of Henry Kissinger, I found his “Balance of Power” thesis compelling.

1866 cartoon by Daumier, L’Equilibre Européen,
We humans are constantly making assurances of our good will and altruism, but it’s a rare man or woman indeed who doesn’t press his or her advantage if a disagreement arises. This is why the the Soviet Premier Khrushchev refused to tolerate U.S. nuclear missiles in Turkey, and why President Kennedy refused to tolerate Soviet missiles in Cuba.

I therefore believed I understood why 50 major U.S. foreign policy experts—including top cold warriors such as Robert McNamara, Paul Nitze, Richard Pipes, and Stansfield Turner—wrote a letter to President Clinton on June 26, 1997, stating the following:

We, the undersigned, believe that the current U.S.led effort to expand NATO, the focus of the recent Helsinki and Paris Summits, is a policy error of historic proportions. We believe that NATO expansion will decrease allied security and unsettle European stability for the following reasons:

In Russia, NATO expansion, which continues to be opposed across the entire political spectrum, will strengthen the nondemocratic opposition, undercut those who favor reform and cooperation with the West, bring the Russians to question the entire post-Cold War settlement, and galvanize resistance in the Duma to the START II and III treaties; In Europe, NATO expansion will draw a new line of division between the "ins" and the "outs," foster instability, and ultimately diminish the sense of security of those countries which are not included;

In NATO, expansion, which the Alliance has indicated is open-ended, will inevitably degrade NATO's ability to carry out its primary mission and will involve U.S. security guarantees to countries with serious border and national minority problems, and unevenly developed systems of democratic government;

In the U.S., NATO expansion will trigger an extended debate over its indeterminate, but certainly high, cost and will call into question the U.S. commitment to the Alliance, traditionally and rightly regarded as a centerpiece of U.S. foreign policy.

Because of these serious objections, and in the absence of any reason for rapid decision, we strongly urge that the NATO expansion process be suspended while alternative actions are pursued. These include:

—opening the economic and political doors of the European Union to Central and Eastern Europe;

—developing an enhanced Partnership for Peace program;

—supporting a cooperative NATO-Russian relationship; and

—continuing the arms reduction and transparency process, particularly with respect to nuclear weapons and materials, the major threat to U.S. security, and with respect to conventional military forces in Europe.

Russia does not now pose a threat to its western neighbors and the nations of Central and Eastern Europe are not in danger. For this reason, and the others cited above, we believe that NATO expansion is neither necessary nor desirable and that this ill-conceived policy can and should be put on hold.
2044   Patrick   2023 Mar 17, 3:32pm  

https://notthebee.com/article/us-releases-video-showing-russian-fighter-jet-colliding-with-american-drone


The Pentagon's European Command just released this video showing two Russian Su-27 fighter jets buzzing a U.S. MQ-9 reaper drone and spraying it with fuel – the second one colliding with the drone's propeller and forcing it down into the Black Sea, according to the USAF:



From the US Air Force:

Two Russian Su-27 aircraft conducted an unsafe and unprofessional intercept with a U.S. Air Force intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance unmanned MQ-9 aircraft operating within international airspace over the Black Sea on March 14, 2023. Russian Su-27s dumped fuel upon and struck the propeller of the MQ-9, causing U.S. forces to have to bring the MQ-9 down in international waters.


"Unsafe"? Is the US Air Force concerned about the safety of Russian pilots now?

Kind of creative to dump burning fuel on it, imho. I didn't even know that was a possibility.
2047   richwicks   2023 Mar 17, 7:37pm  

Patrick says


Kind of creative to dump burning fuel on it, imho. I didn't even know that was a possibility.


What I've heard is they were dumping fuel on it to disable it in order to recover it. The drone is flying at several 100 miles an hour, and when it runs into a liquid at that speed, the propellers are disabled if not destroyed. The fuel wasn't lit on fire, it's just being used to damage the propulsion system.

I've also heard that it's unlikely the Russians actually hit the drone with their jet and if they did, that would have been a mistake. This was done to capture the drone.

The drone is there because it's part of the Ukrainian war. It was an entirely legitimate target.

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