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Hater says

Holograms??? The planes were real!

I sense some sarcasm here. But the planes were real--they were controlled remotely from outer space. You don't deny the alien connection, do you?

Still can't shoot down 100 Kingfish Missiles launched from 270 degrees around the compass.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/fbi-declassifies-911-memo-after-biden-executive-order-puts-bed-any-doubts-about-saudi

Following President Biden's recently signed executive order for the declassification of many of the remaining documents relating to the Saudi role in the 9/11 attacks, the Justice Dept. on Saturday night released its first one - a heavily redacted 16-page report from April 2016.

While not yet considered a smoking gun in terms of proving high level Saudi foreknowledge and complicity, it does contain new information on a Saudi student in California at the time, Omar al-Bayoumi, who is shown to have aided two of the 9/11 hijackers while enjoying close ties with Saudi diplomats. The memo ultimately shines more light on what appears Saudi intelligence continuing contact with some of the hijackers leading up to the 9/11 attacks.

Of course it was always the Saudis, though perhaps with help from Bush and the CIA, etc.

I think this is being released now to get people to stop talking about the ongoing massive human rights violation of Pfizer/Biden's mandates.

HydroCabron says

But none of this means we have to rely on stupid evidence for a conspiracy and live in a fantasy world.

No you don't.

Start out with the assumption that the government is lying, and demand to demonstrate they aren't.

Where's that weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq? Was Qaddafi causing a humanitarian crisis in Libya - it's in civil war with slavery markets now. Is Assad using chemical weapons against his own people? Why? For what purpose. Where's that Russian Collusion? How did Russia hack our election?

I don't understand why people still believe our government is credible at this point. The 9/11 commission was a rushed white wash job. We are not allowed to see the WTC7 finite element simulation from NIST. Flight 77 hit the headquarters of our national defense 30 minutes after it was clear that a terrorist attack was underway.

The criminals in our government always hide behind incompetence. Well, I don't believe they are more stupid than I am. I just believe they are more fucking evil than I am. 9/11 wasn't the result of a series of easily caught errors, it was intentional.

https://notthebee.com/article/people-are-actually-comparing-the-sept-11-attacks-to-the-jan-6-capitol-riot-seriously

People are actually saying September 11 WASN'T AS BAD as the January 6 Capitol riot. Seriously.

Those people are insane. Thousands died on Sept 11th and it led to an unjust war against Iraq while Saudi Arabia got away with the crime scot-free.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/joe-bidens-submissive-and-highly

Joe Biden's Submissive -- and Highly Revealing -- Embrace of Saudi Despots
Biden's immediate abandonment of his 2020 vow to turn the Saudis into "pariahs," and his increasing support for the regime, shows the core deceit of U.S. propaganda.

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/joe-biden-saudi-arabia-mohammed-bin-salman/

When news broke that President Biden was planning a trip to Saudi Arabia to visit the crown prince Mohammed bin Salman (known as MbS), members of his party were horrified. Representative Adam Schiff, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, was especially disturbed and recommended the White House cancel it outright. “I wouldn’t go. I wouldn’t shake his hand,” Schiff told CBS on June 5. “This is someone who butchered an American resident, cut him up into pieces in the most terrible and pre-meditated way.”

That resident was Jamal Khashoggi, a former Saudi royal family insider who used his perch as a columnist at the Washington Post to raise awareness about the crown prince’s ruthless ways. Khashoggi would be caught in a Saudi government ruse, tricked into coming to the Saudi consulate in Istanbul to sign marriage papers, only to be summarily killed and dismembered by hitmen close to MbS’s inner circle. President Biden, who promised to avenge the murder during his campaign, declassified the US intelligence community’s assessment of the killing a month after he was sworn in, laying responsibility on the kingdom’s de facto ruler.

Now, nearly a year and a half later, Biden is apparently forgetting about the whole “I’m going to turn Saudi Arabia into a pariah” thing. The official announcement of the president’s trip to the kingdom could come this week. Needless to say, the trip will be Biden’s most controversial. This is the same president who, after all, claims to be putting human rights at the center of US foreign policy. Opponents of the visit argue that a face-to-face with one of the world’s most notorious murderers is the very essence of hypocrisy. How can the world take Washington’s rhetoric about human rights seriously when US officials will jettison their own principles at the first opportunity?

https://nitter.pussthecat.org/TNTJohn1717/status/1554634518505684992#m

https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/a-case-study-of-congressional-concealment

A Case Study of Congressional Concealment
Reviewing the 29 redacted pages of the Joint Inquiry of 9/11 attacks.

On December of 2002, Congress published a report on its Inquiry. At first glance, this seemed an admirable example of our legislative branch doing its job for the American people. However, concerned citizens who read it—especially the relatives of Americans who died in the attacks—noticed that 29 pages of the report had been redacted because they contained “certain sensitive national security matters.”

Sensible readers will note that the whole point of the Inquiry was to ascertain WHY our intelligence and law enforcement had so catastrophically failed to protect our national security, so redacting 29 pages because they pertained “to sensitive national security matters” struck me as ridiculous. I immediately suspected that Congress was simply protecting influential “friends” and “allies” from embarrassment.

Relatives of 9/11 victims filed a FOIA request for the redacted pages, and after a 14-year legal contest, Congress was finally ordered to publish the document, which it did on Friday, July 15, 2016.

For years the redacted section had been referenced as “the 28 pages,” but the total number turned out to be 29. The key FINDING of the redacted section is as follows:

While in the United States, some of these September 11 hijackers were in contact with, and received support or assistance from individuals who may be connected to the Saudi government. There is information, primarily from FBI sources, that at least two of those individuals were alleged by some to be Saudi intelligence officers.

One of the suspected intelligence officers was Osama Bassnan, who lived across the street from two of the hijackers when they resided in San Diego and was in close contact with many of their associates. According to the report:

Bassnan has many ties to the Saudi government, including past employment by the Saudi Arabian education mission. The FBI also received reports from individuals in the Muslim community alleging that Bessan might be a Saudi intelligence officer According to a CIA memo, Bassnan has reportedly received funding, and possibly a fake passport, from Saudi government officials, he and his wife have received financial support from the Saudi ambassador to the United States and his wife.

On at least one occasion, Bassnan received a check directly from Prince Bandar‘s account. According to the FBI, on May 14, 1998, Bassnan cashed the check from Bandar in the amount of $15,000. Bassnan’s wife also received at least one check directly from Bandar. She also received one additional check from Bandar’s wife which she cashed on January 8, 1998 for $10,000.

While such statements might pique someone’s curiosity to learn more about this connection between President Bush’s friend, Prince Bandar, and a suspected Saudi intelligence agent providing support for hijackers in San Diego, Congress wasn’t interested. As the Committees stated in their report:

It should be clear that this joint inquiry has made no final determinations as to the reliability or sufficiency of the information regarding these issues that we found contained in FBI and CIA documents.

U.S. mainstream media coverage of the release was minimal and it downplayed the significance of what was contained in the document. CNN’s report quoted Senators Richard Burr and Dianne Feinstein:

Sens. Richard Burr and Dianne Feinstein, the chair and top Democrat of the Senate Intelligence Committee, issued a statement that they agreed with the decision to declassify the report. But they cautioned, “These pages include unconfirmed allegations and raw reporting and have been the subject of conspiracy theories for years.”

Ain’t it funny how you will never discover the truth of a matter if you don’t investigate it? Not investigating also enables you to brand anyone who raises questions about the matter a “conspiracy theorist.”

Yes, Bush may have personally been involved, but Saudi Arabia attacked America on 9/11.

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2023/03/09/699561/US-transfers-Saudi-Guantanamo-detainee-to-Riyadh

The United States has repatriated a Saudi national to Saudi Arabia after keeping him behind bars in Guantanamo prison for 21 years over suspected involvement in the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

In a statement on Wednesday, the Pentagon announced that it had released 48-year-old Saudi national Ghassan al-Sharbi and returned him to Saudi Arabia "subject to the implementation of a comprehensive set of security measures including monitoring, travel restrictions and continued information sharing."

Yes, Saudi's did it, but at this point I think it was with the active cooperation of the CIA.

Patrick says

Yes, Saudi's did it, but at this point I think it was with the active cooperation of the CIA.

There's no question. It wasn't just Saudi Arabia and the CIA, but Mossad as well. It was 9/11 that set the stage for the US to be in war for 20 years. That was the main purpose of the false flag.

These wars have done INCREDIBLE damage to the United States with no benefit.

HydroCabron says

Hater says

He believes that the planes were holograms.

Can you offer one documented demonstration of a believable hologram which can convince witnesses (including video cameras) filming from 80 different angles? Or is this secret, black-ops technology which still hasn't seen the light of public viewing (other than on 9/11) for 13 years and counting?

By the way: Isn't it cheaper, and less risky, to simply hijack the planes as-is and fly them into the buildings? Why employ all manner of Buck Rogers non-existent technology if just flying real planes into the buildings will do the trick for less money? Are you a moron?

I usually know better than to argue with twoofers, since they will never, ever change their minds - except to change to a different conspiracy.

This hologram you can see from any angle.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/906292397041636?mibextid=6AJuK9&s=chYV2B&fs=e

REpro says

This hologram you can see from any angle.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/906292397041636?mibextid=6AJuK9&s=chYV2B&fs=e

That's just a drone show.

I had two cousins in NYC when the planes hit. The whole BS that they were holograms is just a propaganda technique of kookification. Spooks and kooks. To prevent serious discussion of an event, inject a bunch of obvious bullshit into it, so if you ever try to discuss it, the first thing the sheep you're talking to thinks of is "oh, this guy is crazy, he believes that DEW / holograms / mini-nuclear bombs / blah blah blah was used to do 9/11".

richwicks says

inject a bunch of obvious bullshit into it,

"Pinocchio's nose" was where my 911 rabbit hole bottomed out.

You would expect the usual suspects to spin a bunch of flack attack disinformation narratives, when the heat started rising about revelation. Anything coming out at 2016 mysteriously from the mysts I would count as bullshit.

There was no way this could have happened without the full cooperation of the Presidency, the intel agencies, and segments of our own military. Any ancillaries or allies participating are almost irrelevant to that factoid, whether or not it was a Globalist team effort.

https://notthebee.com/article/wait-theyre-now-saying-there-might-have-been-a-5th-plane-on-911

What the heck guys.

The captain of a United Airlines flight that was supposed to depart on the morning of September 11, 2001, believes his plane might have been meant to be part of the terrorist attacks that day. Yeah, a fifth plane.

This is an airline captain saying this – not some basement-dwelling blogger or Dollar Store conspiracy theorist or something.

In a TMZ special called "9/11: The Fifth Plane," Captain Tom Mannello shares his suspicions about his Flight 23, a Boeing 767 scheduled to depart JFK Airport for L.A. at 9 a.m.

Patrick says

So was it SA or Boooosh whodunnit? I'm getting confused here.

richwicks says

There's no question. It wasn't just Saudi Arabia and the CIA, but Mossad as well. It was 9/11 that set the stage for the US to be in war for 20 years. That was the main purpose of the false flag.

These wars have done INCREDIBLE damage to the United States with no benefit.

The planners of such events have a very long window in which to accomplish their ultimate goals, one of which is the ruination of this country in order to help pave the way for a despotic One World Government, aka, the Great Reset. They are very close to accomplishing their plan, with just one big event standing in their way. Another Plandemic? A full blown confrontation with Russia, and or China? Your guess is as good as mine.

RWSGFY says

So was it SA or Boooosh whodunnit? I'm getting confused here.

It was Saudi Arabia, Israel, and US intelligence agencies that did 9/11.

Remember the "5 dancing Israelis" - they were Mossad. They were arrested, detained, then deported. For some reason, they felt the need to record the attacks, and they did.

Remember the reports of vans filled with explosives? That disappeared pretty quick too, the entire attack probably didn't go off exactly as planned.

It looks like the main purpose of 9/11 was to start up a "war on terror" which is of course unwinnable, to beef up spending on the military since the Cold War was gone. That didn't work out very well, which is why the US kept expanding NATO, overthrew Ukraine. They are jumping for JOY with Russia attacking Ukraine but it might just leave the United States as a pariah state in the end. China, India, and Russia don't need Europe or the United States.

Don't dwell on "well how exactly was 9/11 done?" because that's an endless rabbit hole. You don't have the expertise or knowledge to understand entirely how it was done. Conspiracies exist, we just saw one over this covid bullshit. People that are involved with conspiracies often aren't even aware they are part of it, and they don't understand the whole thing either, they just "do their job". 3 years ago, I bet you believed that if a dangerous, ineffective, serum was mandated that you'd hear from your doctor that it might be dangerous, you'd hear it on the "news", that it would show up in social media, that SOMEBODY would stand up to the insanity.

Well that didn't happen with covid, and it didn't happen with 9/11. There's PLENTY of people that know it had to have involved US intelligence and foreign intelligence. Remember the shorting of airlines stocks? Whoever did that knew, and they didn't blow the whistle. They were never tracked down.

All you need to know if an event was a false flag or done by the intelligence agencies, all you need to know is that the intelligence agencies are keeping information classified and lying about the situation. That's how you know with 100% certainty they killed JFK, they probably killed MLK and Malcolm X too. They definitely did the WTC bombing in 1993, there WAS a whistleblower there, he was Egyptian Emad Salem, hired by the FBI to infiltrate the group that bombed the WTC. He warned the FBI before, it could have been prevented. They tried to prosecute Salem but he recorded all his conversations with the FIB and released enough of them to get the DOJ to back off.

We have a TOTALLY criminal government. If people knew, it would change, but they don't know, and even if I'm this fucking blunt, they don't believe it or can't believe it.

richwicks says

It was Saudi Arabia, Israel, and US intelligence agencies that did 9/11.

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It looks like the main purpose of 9/11 was to start up a "war on terror" which is of course unwinnable, to beef up spending on the military since the Cold War was gone. That didn't work out very well, which is why the US kept expanding NATO, overthrew Ukraine. They are jumping for JOY with Russia attacking Ukraine

So it's SA, Mossad, CIA and KGB then. The only logical conclusion here. Why did you try to obfuscate KGB role in this?

Eric Holder says

So it's SA, Mossad, CIA and KGB then. The only logical conclusion here. Why did you try to obfuscate KGB role in this?

I don't know if the KGB WAS involved with it. I've heard no evidence of this over the last 20 years. KGB supposedly warned the CIA (or somebody) about an impending attack, but it's not like our own intelligence agencies didn't know. Ramzi Yousef was part of the bombing of the WTC in 1993, and one of his cousins I think was involved in 9/11. There's so much data that Israel was involved and that either our intelligence agencies are fucking staffed by retards or they knew. Saudi Arabia is the US' and Israel's bitch, we all know it. The binLadens are Saudi.

And It doesn't have to be specifically the CIA or Mossad, it's US intelligence.

Why would the KGB be involved? Also, the KGB doesn't exist, it's the FSB. KGB was done away with 30 years ago.

https://thefreethoughtproject.com/government-corruption/declassified-guantanamo-court-filing-suggests-some-9-11-hijackers-were-cia-agents

Declassified Guantanamo court filing suggests some 9/11 hijackers were CIA agents
What does the intelligence agency have to do with the suicide terrorist attack?

An explosive court filing from the Guantanamo Military Commission – a court considering the cases of defendants accused of carrying out the "9/11" terrorist attacks on New York – has seemingly confirmed the unthinkable.

The document was originally published via a Guantanamo Bay court docket, but while public, it was completely redacted. Independent researchers obtained an unexpurgated copy. It is an account by the Commission’s lead investigator, DEA veteran Don Canestraro, of his personal probe of potential Saudi government involvement in the 9/11 attacks, conducted at the request of the defendants’ lawyers.

Two of the hijackers were being closely monitored by the CIA and may, wittingly or not, have been recruited by Langley long before they flew planes into the World Trade Center buildings.

https://twitter.com/LeadingReport/status/1652844656403570690?ref_src=patrick.net

https://sashastone.substack.com/p/episode-17-vivek-ramaswamy-and-tucker

Ramaswamy points out that that two of the hijackers were met at the LA airport by a Saudi intelligence agent.

And that both parties look down on the public as incapable of handling the truth. As if the public is composed of children and the only adults are the elite.

OK, what was the angle, if it was really them?

(I have my theory on whodunnit with a very solid motive and benefits but I'd like to hear the SA version first.)

RWSGFY says

OK, what was the angle, if it was really them?

(I have my theory on whodunnit with a very solid motive and benefits but I'd like to hear the SA version first.)

Want to know whodunit?

https://www.ancreport.com/?s=9%2F11

It will take you a while to go through all that crap. You're going to need a noted and pen and paper, you're going to have to look up stuff, you're going to have to verify the people, and what they did, you're going to have to use search engines OTHER than Google. Wikipedia is surprisingly correct, but they don't draw links for you, but Dawson will. You won't be able to edit Wikipedia to draw the links, they don't allow "original research", it has to come from a "reliable source", so in order to post it, you'll need to find a mainstream media source saying it, and even then, it will be deleted.

I know who did it. It was a join operation between Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the US intelligence agencies, using terrorists as proxies, terrorist groups they control without the knowledge of the terrorists. Like how they get the US military to fight a war over some dumb ass excuse, but the real reason is something entirely unrelated to what they told the public AND the soldiers. The reason recruitment is down in the military is people are losing faith. Many of them know that there's been at least ONE lie told - 1/2 of potential recruits know that there was no weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq, and know the US government was aware of it before the war started.

Patrick says

And that both parties look down on the public as incapable of handling the truth. As if the public is composed of children and the only adults are the elite.

OR:
If the truth were known the elite would face the gallows.

HeadSet says

Patrick says

And that both parties look down on the public as incapable of handling the truth. As if the public is composed of children and the only adults are the elite.

OR:
If the truth were known the elite would face the gallows.

Or the truth requires a retaliatory action the elites have no balls for.

So now that the government admits that Saudi Arabia was involved in 9/11, when do we got the prosecution for treason and hanging of every scumbag official who covered it up, literally giving aid and comfort to the enemy?

Patrick says

So now that the government admits that Saudi Arabia was involved in 9/11, when do we got the prosecution for treason and hanging of every scumbag official who covered it up, literally giving aid and comfort to the enemy?

When a mob shows up to lynch them. Not a second before.

https://pjmedia.com/culture/robert-spencer/2023/08/31/just-in-time-for-9-11-anniversary-new-york-city-allows-islamic-call-to-prayer-over-loudspeakers-n1723561

Just In Time for 9/11 Anniversary, New York City Allows Islamic Call to Prayer Over Loudspeakers

Did the 9/11 hijackers and plotters succeed? Can it finally be said, nearly twenty-two years after they murdered nearly three thousand people in New York and Washington, that they have attained their objectives?

Back in 2003, Osama bin Laden wrote a letter to the American people in which he explained, “The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam.” Twenty years later, that very call will resound from loudspeakers all over the city that was his chief target on Sept. 11, 2001. (All the 9/11-was-an-inside-job types can find bin Laden taking responsibility for the attacks here). New York Mayor Eric Adams on Tuesday announced what Gothamist described as “new NYPD rules” that “will allow mosques in New York City to broadcast the Muslim call to prayer without a permit.”

SA is a red herring and nobody made a convincing case on how they supposedly benefited from 9/11.

RWSGFY says

SA is a red herring and nobody made a convincing case on how they supposedly benefited from 9/11.

The United States had military bases in Saudi Arabia, you know, Mecca? That was one of binLaden's demands, and we moved our bases to Iraq after the 2nd Iraq war.

Saudi Arabia was obviously involved, probably at the behest of the United States AND Israel. All the hijackers were Saudi except for one. Osama binLaden was a CIA asset during the Russian/Afghanistan war in the 1980s. Israeli intelligence was following around the hijackers, even followed them to Florida when they were getting their pilots licenses.

We needed an excuse to go to war in the Middle East, killing 3,000 people in the WTC justified that excuse. Plus, the buildings were filled with asbestos, and they weren't being rented out much. Working in a skyscraper isn't really that convenient.

RWSGFY says

SA is a red herring and nobody made a convincing case on how they supposedly benefited from 9/11.

@RWSGFY Most of the hijackers were Saudis and you don't believe that Saudis did it?

Saudi intelligence greeted hijackers at LAX and housed them (now declassified after 20 years) and you don't believe Saudis did it?

Islam is motive enough. Islam demands the submission or murder of all infidels - plus they were pretty pissed about US troops on the "holy" soil of SA.

I'm not saying that it was only the Saudis. GW Bush looks like he played a part too. Remember that he grew up with "Bandar bin Bush", one of the Saudi royals that the Bush family hosted.

I'm a fan of David Chandler. As a physicist he has performed careful analysis of the 3 WTC towers that fell on 9-11-2001. I am convinced that explosives were involved.

But who cares? The last couple of years have shown us who are enemies are. The FBI, CIA, NSA, IRS, etc., along with all of the corrupt politicians need to be splintered into a thousand pieces and scattered to the winds.

https://911speakout.org/david-chandler/#collections

David Chandler is best known in the 9/11 Truth Movement for proving that NIST lied in denying that Building 7 underwent freefall. Freefall is a literal smoking gun for controlled demolition. See David’s 6-part serial essay entitled Free Fall on Medium.com.

David has looked at the overall behavior of Building 7 as it comes down in freefall. Others have looked carefully at the structural details and whether it is possible for the building to come down the way it did due to natural causes. Most notable in this research is a project by Dr. Leroy Hulsey at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks, who, with two graduate students, has constructed mathematical models in two different finite element analysis systems to simulate the behavior of the structure. (A quick summary of the conclusions is that fire could not have caused the observed failures.)

Onvacation says

The FBI, CIA, NSA, IRS, etc., along with all of the corrupt politicians need to be splintered into a thousand pieces and scattered to the winds.

Talk like that is what got JFK killed by the CIA.

I talk like that too. Everyone should!

Trollhole says

https://www.columnblog.com/p/nyt-runs-pro-saudi-op-ed-without