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mell
2022 Dec 19, 9:13pm
AmericanKulak says
Right, it's difficult to see through changes if you benefited mostly from your "era" until now. He should be able though to connect the dots just by looking at how much worse PC has become since his interview, so maybe just maybe the covid jabs and their makers are frauds/killers. But it's not easy and it's the heinous character of the plandemic, it turned most of the boomer fucks into instant npc "believers", as they think the 2000s are just an extension of the 80s and 90s.
Modernism problem.
Simmons and others grew up in an era of Modernism, where Experts were regularly making everything better from Microwaves to Color TVs, therefore, if Expert Medical people make a new vaccine in record time, it must be a Good Thing.
Right, it's difficult to see through changes if you benefited mostly from your "era" until now. He should be able though to connect the dots just by looking at how much worse PC has become since his interview, so maybe just maybe the covid jabs and their makers are frauds/killers. But it's not easy and it's the heinous character of the plandemic, it turned most of the boomer fucks into instant npc "believers", as they think the 2000s are just an extension of the 80s and 90s.
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EBGuy
2022 Dec 20, 2:51pm
An interesting contrast with Van the Man...
A month after releasing his 28-song screed, Latest Record Project: Vol. 1, Van Morrison has once again teamed up with Eric Clapton for an ornery collaboration. Released under the moniker Slowhand & Van, “The Rebels” is a duet of “Where Have All the Rebels Gone,” one of the songs on Morrison’s most recent studio album.
“The Rebels” takes the song in a more blues-rock direction, with Clapton singing lead and Morrison joining in on harmony vocals throughout the song.
“Where have all the rebels gone?/Hiding behind computer screens,” Clapton sings. “Where’s the spirit? Where’s the soul?/Where have all the rebels gone?”
Last December, Clapton and Morrison teamed up for “Stand Up and Deliver,” which followed a string of songs from Morrison that protested lockdown measures in the United Kingdom throughout the pandemic.
A month after releasing his 28-song screed, Latest Record Project: Vol. 1, Van Morrison has once again teamed up with Eric Clapton for an ornery collaboration. Released under the moniker Slowhand & Van, “The Rebels” is a duet of “Where Have All the Rebels Gone,” one of the songs on Morrison’s most recent studio album.
“The Rebels” takes the song in a more blues-rock direction, with Clapton singing lead and Morrison joining in on harmony vocals throughout the song.
“Where have all the rebels gone?/Hiding behind computer screens,” Clapton sings. “Where’s the spirit? Where’s the soul?/Where have all the rebels gone?”
Last December, Clapton and Morrison teamed up for “Stand Up and Deliver,” which followed a string of songs from Morrison that protested lockdown measures in the United Kingdom throughout the pandemic.
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richwicks
2022 Dec 20, 2:57pm
richwicks
2022 Dec 20, 2:57pm
EBGuy says
Is this it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfWl3ijpmrQ
An interesting contrast with Van the Man...
A month after releasing his 28-song screed, Latest Record Project: Vol. 1, Van Morrison has once again teamed up with Eric Clapton for an ornery collaboration. Released under the moniker Slowhand & Van, “The Rebels” is a duet of “Where Have All the Rebels Gone,” one of the songs on Morrison’s most recent studio album.
“The Rebels” takes the song in a more blues-rock direction, with Clapton singing lead and Morrison joining in on harmony vocals throughout the song.
“Where have all the rebels gone?/Hiding behind computer screens,” Clapton sings. “Where’s the spirit? Where’s the soul?/Where have all the rebels gone?”
Last December, Clapton and Morrison teamed up for “Stand Up and Deliver,” which followed a string of songs from Morrison that protested lockdown me...
Is this it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfWl3ijpmrQ
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Karloff
2022 Dec 20, 6:59pm
Karloff
2022 Dec 20, 6:59pm
After seeing Simmons and Dee Snider shilling for Big Pharma and the DNC, I wonder how many of the older rockers were really rebels. For most it was probably just a persona to lure in fans and make money. For Simmons that's almost assured. The guy is the openly one of the biggest whores I've ever seen. Everything about him is for sale.
Morrison and Clapton honestly surprised me.
Morrison and Clapton honestly surprised me.
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Patrick
2023 Apr 13, 1:13pm
Patrick
2023 Apr 13, 1:13pm
https://consequence.net/2023/04/kiss-gene-simmons-ill-seated-brazil-concert/amp/
He's vaxxed up the wazoo, so could be from that.
Gene Simmons fell ill during a KISS concert on Wednesday night (April 12th) in Manaus, Brazil, and was forced to perform part of the set sitting down.
As originally reported by Brazilian journalist Igor Miranda, Simmons appeared woozy during the performance and eventually asked a member of the road crew for a chair.
He's vaxxed up the wazoo, so could be from that.
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richwicks
2023 Apr 13, 1:28pm
richwicks
2023 Apr 13, 1:28pm
Karloff says
Haha, they shouldn't have. Morrison is practically blacklisted. Roger Waters didn't surprise me a bit either.
Most people are cynical frauds though. I learned that when the people I hung out with that protested the Iraq War were saying we need to bomb Syria and Libya. Fucking bastards.
Morrison and Clapton honestly surprised me.
Haha, they shouldn't have. Morrison is practically blacklisted. Roger Waters didn't surprise me a bit either.
Most people are cynical frauds though. I learned that when the people I hung out with that protested the Iraq War were saying we need to bomb Syria and Libya. Fucking bastards.
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Ceffer
2023 Apr 13, 2:14pm
Ceffer
2023 Apr 13, 2:14pm
He has the right to be gullible and misinformed as an individual. Spreading it purposely like an information disease to other gullibles for profit and identity politics is something else.
Remember, a good many of the most successful rock groups (as usual) were seeded by Mockingbird.
Remember, a good many of the most successful rock groups (as usual) were seeded by Mockingbird.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Apr 13, 2:58pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Apr 13, 2:58pm
Simmons is right about alot of things: Assimilating, speaking English, etc.
But as a Boomer, he's more inclined to believe the Better Living Through Chemistry and Science Would Never Lie meta narrative.
He was MAGA when almost nobody in Culture was and consistently pro 1 and 2A.
But as a Boomer, he's more inclined to believe the Better Living Through Chemistry and Science Would Never Lie meta narrative.
He was MAGA when almost nobody in Culture was and consistently pro 1 and 2A.
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Onvacation
2023 Apr 13, 3:12pm
Onvacation
2023 Apr 13, 3:12pm
AmericanKulak says
That's a plus, but his vax stance was unforgivable.
Unfortunately I feel the same way about some friends and family. I'm not ready to forgive their falling for the propaganda... Actually I'm not ready to forgive them for not being willing to look at evidence to counter the propaganda.
He was MAGA when almost nobody in Culture was and consistently pro 1 and 2A
That's a plus, but his vax stance was unforgivable.
Unfortunately I feel the same way about some friends and family. I'm not ready to forgive their falling for the propaganda... Actually I'm not ready to forgive them for not being willing to look at evidence to counter the propaganda.
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richwicks
2023 Apr 13, 3:13pm
richwicks
2023 Apr 13, 3:13pm
AmericanKulak says
KISS was a band that existed because they were outrageous, wearing makeup and looking crazy.
That's what Dylan Mulvaney does today.
They are the same. Nobody listened to them for their shitty music, they were "rebels", in every conceivable way in 1970. But they weren't.
Name a meaningful song from KISS? Can you? I can show you one from Pink Floyd:
original link
Music should have meaning, and when did Gene Simmons ever make that? KISS just produced nonsense. I had a brother that would play that garbage when I was a kid, I'm not certain he did this because he genuinely liked it or knew I hated it.
Simmons is right about alot of things: Assimilating, speaking English, etc.
But as a Boomer, he's more inclined to believe the Better Living Through Chemistry and Science Would Never Lie meta narrative.
He was MAGA when almost nobody in Culture was and consistently pro 1 and 2A.
KISS was a band that existed because they were outrageous, wearing makeup and looking crazy.
That's what Dylan Mulvaney does today.
They are the same. Nobody listened to them for their shitty music, they were "rebels", in every conceivable way in 1970. But they weren't.
Name a meaningful song from KISS? Can you? I can show you one from Pink Floyd:
original link
Music should have meaning, and when did Gene Simmons ever make that? KISS just produced nonsense. I had a brother that would play that garbage when I was a kid, I'm not certain he did this because he genuinely liked it or knew I hated it.
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Ceffer
2023 Apr 13, 3:32pm
Ceffer
2023 Apr 13, 3:32pm
Well, he gets to enjoy his nether years with the vax (unless he preached the vax and took the placebo). No matter reports of wealth, the agents of these rock stars tell them that cash flow requirements of their brand and taxes can rapidly reverse their leveraged fortunes if they don't continue stumping. Talk about being owned by your assets.
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richwicks
2023 Apr 13, 3:37pm
richwicks
2023 Apr 13, 3:37pm
Ceffer says
They don't need to be, this is what is so pathetic about them.
They have all the money they need, and they still suck corporate cock. They are pathetic.
Talk about being owned by your assets.
They don't need to be, this is what is so pathetic about them.
They have all the money they need, and they still suck corporate cock. They are pathetic.
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RayAmerica
2023 Apr 13, 3:43pm
RayAmerica
2023 Apr 13, 3:43pm
Don't forget "Sir" Paul supposedly getting the EXPERIMENTAL 'vaccine' (or was it saline?) and encouraging his fans to follow his lead:
Sir Paul McCartney gets jabbed and urges fans to ‘be cool’ and do the same
Beatles legend Sir Paul McCartney has had his Covid vaccination, labelling it ‘cool’ and is telling all his fans to get the injection too.
Posting a shot of himself getting the, er, shot, on Instagram, the singer was seen proffering his arm to his frontline medical worker as she gave him his jab.
https://metro.co.uk/2021/08/02/sir-paul-mccartney-gets-jabbed-and-urges-you-to-do-the-same-15027729/
The 79-year-old was going incognito in a navy beanie hat and matching T-shirt, with a black and white paisley print face mask.
Sir Paul McCartney gets jabbed and urges fans to ‘be cool’ and do the same
Beatles legend Sir Paul McCartney has had his Covid vaccination, labelling it ‘cool’ and is telling all his fans to get the injection too.
Posting a shot of himself getting the, er, shot, on Instagram, the singer was seen proffering his arm to his frontline medical worker as she gave him his jab.
https://metro.co.uk/2021/08/02/sir-paul-mccartney-gets-jabbed-and-urges-you-to-do-the-same-15027729/
The 79-year-old was going incognito in a navy beanie hat and matching T-shirt, with a black and white paisley print face mask.
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RayAmerica
2023 Apr 13, 3:49pm
RayAmerica
2023 Apr 13, 3:49pm
And let's not forget about Ringo:
Ringo Starr on reuniting with Paul McCartney for new EP and getting the COVID vaccine
Ringo Starr chats with USA TODAY's Patrick Ryan about his new solo EP, "Zoom In," and receiving both shots of the COVID-19 vaccine.https://www.usatoday.com/videos/entertainment/entertainthis/2021/03/17/ringo-starr-talks-covid-vaccine-and-reuniting-paul-mccartney-interview/4724535001/
Ringo Starr on reuniting with Paul McCartney for new EP and getting the COVID vaccine
Ringo Starr chats with USA TODAY's Patrick Ryan about his new solo EP, "Zoom In," and receiving both shots of the COVID-19 vaccine.https://www.usatoday.com/videos/entertainment/entertainthis/2021/03/17/ringo-starr-talks-covid-vaccine-and-reuniting-paul-mccartney-interview/4724535001/
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AmericanKulak
2023 Apr 13, 3:52pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Apr 13, 3:52pm
richwicks says
What?! KISS sells out shows worldwide decades since they had a hit.
Roger Waters is a hardline Progressive One-Worlder. His bandmates hate him.
Kids born in the 21st Century know KISS from Berlin to Buenos Aires to Bialystok to Busan. But if you wear a Pink Floyd shirt, like the one with the Prism, they say "Nice Pride Shirt"
Name a meaningful song from KISS? Can you? I can show you one from Pink Floyd:
What?! KISS sells out shows worldwide decades since they had a hit.
Roger Waters is a hardline Progressive One-Worlder. His bandmates hate him.
Kids born in the 21st Century know KISS from Berlin to Buenos Aires to Bialystok to Busan. But if you wear a Pink Floyd shirt, like the one with the Prism, they say "Nice Pride Shirt"
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richwicks
2023 Apr 13, 3:59pm
richwicks
2023 Apr 13, 3:59pm
AmericanKulak says
Well perhaps. Name a song from them they've ever made that had any hint of any statement? Name a song they made you think about.
AmericanKulak says
I don't care about his bandmates, I don't think he's expressed being a "one-worlder" either.
AmericanKulak says
Possibly, but the band wasn't just superficial tripe, and KISS was. KISS was entirely superficial, and entirely forgettable.
I don't remember their crap very well, but it was all about decadence, selfishness, and childish rebellion from what I remember. Care to show me a counter example?
The only reason KISS was notable, was they were the precursor to faggots like Dylan Mulvaney, that played in a shitty band.
What?! KISS sells out shows worldwide decades since they had a hit.
Well perhaps. Name a song from them they've ever made that had any hint of any statement? Name a song they made you think about.
AmericanKulak says
Roger Waters is a hardline Progressive One-Worlder. His bandmates hate him.
I don't care about his bandmates, I don't think he's expressed being a "one-worlder" either.
AmericanKulak says
Kids born in the 21st Century know KISS from Berlin to Buenos Aires to Bialystok to Busan. But if you wear a Pink Floyd shirt, like the one with the Prism, they say "Nice Pride Shirt"
Possibly, but the band wasn't just superficial tripe, and KISS was. KISS was entirely superficial, and entirely forgettable.
I don't remember their crap very well, but it was all about decadence, selfishness, and childish rebellion from what I remember. Care to show me a counter example?
The only reason KISS was notable, was they were the precursor to faggots like Dylan Mulvaney, that played in a shitty band.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Apr 13, 4:07pm
https://data.pollstar.com/chart/2019/07/2019MidYearTop100WorldwideTours_747.pdf
richwicks says
Dude has a long history of being for whatever the Western Left is for.
Remember when the 80s Left, in a now forgotten activist moment that saw 100k's to millions of demonstrators, demanding the West unilaterally disarm nukes in the face of the USSR?
https://www.guitarworld.com/magazine/roger-waters-veterans-patriotism-and-911
In 2019 he whinged about a concert to raise money for humanitarian aid to Venezuela, saying it was to embarass a Socialist Country.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/20/pink-floyd-roger-waters-condemns-richard-branson-venezuela-aid-concert
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/02/19/accusing-richard-branson-playing-regime-change-plot-roger-waters-warns-against-live
Waters mused about performing the Wall in Texas to protest Trump (whom he sees as a dangerous right wing demagogue who CREATES racial divisons like the general Left does, natch) and the Border Wall.
https://www.nme.com/news/music/roger-waters-pink-floyd-the-wall-us-mexico-border-trump-protest-1982810
Waters is all for borderless world, just one run by dogoodnik Artists and Academics instead of Big Business. Which, is an outdated view. The Artists, Academics, and Big Corps are working together for that Borderless World.
AmericanKulak
2023 Apr 13, 4:07pm
https://data.pollstar.com/chart/2019/07/2019MidYearTop100WorldwideTours_747.pdf
richwicks says
I don't care about his bandmates, I don't think he's expressed being a "one-worlder" either.
Dude has a long history of being for whatever the Western Left is for.
Remember when the 80s Left, in a now forgotten activist moment that saw 100k's to millions of demonstrators, demanding the West unilaterally disarm nukes in the face of the USSR?
It is interesting that during an era marked by the United States' diminishing influence in the world, this country is still the most popular lens through which to examine the condition of the planet. For example, the biggest cheers of the evening came during Waters’ litany of gripes declared in huge letters onscreen, especially “(Expletive) The Supreme Court” and “(Expletive) The Patriarchy.”
https://www.guitarworld.com/magazine/roger-waters-veterans-patriotism-and-911
In 2019 he whinged about a concert to raise money for humanitarian aid to Venezuela, saying it was to embarass a Socialist Country.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/20/pink-floyd-roger-waters-condemns-richard-branson-venezuela-aid-concert
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/02/19/accusing-richard-branson-playing-regime-change-plot-roger-waters-warns-against-live
Waters mused about performing the Wall in Texas to protest Trump (whom he sees as a dangerous right wing demagogue who CREATES racial divisons like the general Left does, natch) and the Border Wall.
https://www.nme.com/news/music/roger-waters-pink-floyd-the-wall-us-mexico-border-trump-protest-1982810
Waters is all for borderless world, just one run by dogoodnik Artists and Academics instead of Big Business. Which, is an outdated view. The Artists, Academics, and Big Corps are working together for that Borderless World.
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richwicks
2023 Apr 13, 4:26pm
richwicks
2023 Apr 13, 4:26pm
AmericanKulak says
What are you trying to convince me of? That people are generally idiots?
I know this.
Name a song from them that has any meaning.
AmericanKulak says
Yes, I do. Now these leftist assholes are pushing for World War 3. I don't know what Roger Waters said at the time.
AmericanKulak says
I don't dismiss people because they are just wrong on certain topics. I could fix him, in 5 hour conversation, no problem. He's simply disconnected.
But he's principled, even if he's wrong, he has principles. I have to respect that.
I also consider what is reported about him is nothing but a smear. YOU know our media lies, and I do. I can't trust that article's truthfulness at all. This is what we have for "news" after all:
https://web.archive.org/web/20230105080905/https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/
We are at the point you have to hear it from the horses mouth, and that is going to die because of deep fakes. You can't trust our media at all. They lie.
What are you trying to convince me of? That people are generally idiots?
I know this.
Name a song from them that has any meaning.
AmericanKulak says
Dude has a long history of being for whatever the Western Left is for.
Remember when the 80s Left, in a now forgotten activist moment that saw 100k's to millions of demonstrators, demanding the West unilaterally disarm nukes in the face of the USSR?
Yes, I do. Now these leftist assholes are pushing for World War 3. I don't know what Roger Waters said at the time.
AmericanKulak says
Waters mused about performing the Wall in Texas to protest Trump (whom he sees as a dangerous right wing demagogue who CREATES racial divisons like the general Left does, natch) and the Border Wall.
https://www.nme.com/news/music/roger-waters-pink-floyd-the-wall-us-mexico-border-trump-protest-1982810
I don't dismiss people because they are just wrong on certain topics. I could fix him, in 5 hour conversation, no problem. He's simply disconnected.
But he's principled, even if he's wrong, he has principles. I have to respect that.
I also consider what is reported about him is nothing but a smear. YOU know our media lies, and I do. I can't trust that article's truthfulness at all. This is what we have for "news" after all:
https://web.archive.org/web/20230105080905/https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/
We are at the point you have to hear it from the horses mouth, and that is going to die because of deep fakes. You can't trust our media at all. They lie.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Apr 13, 4:33pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Apr 13, 4:33pm
richwicks says
Why do songs have to have meaning?
If so, is playing instruments and all instrumentals trash?
richwicks says
He made a few 80s albums that bombed, including Radio KAOS, which was about some Welsh Kid living in LA that was in a wheelchair but could manipulate computers into launching a fake nuclear war, whole album is about dismantling nukes with of course the West leading the way. The nuclear disarmament bullshit is also referenced in The Wall movie.
He's exactly the kind of Socialist Pacifist Orwell warned about in "On Nationalism". Big Criticism for the West, what little criticism for non-Western actors very muted, rare soft polite whispers.
richwicks says
Funny, David Gilmour can tell you all about him, and his hypocrisy, his tax dodging, etc but he generally doesn't like to air dirty laundry. Waters thinks he's the bomb for his writing, and that the atmospheric sound - mostly Gilmour's work - ain't shit compared to his lyrics. Which honestly are okay, even good, but not earth shatteringly great.
Name a song from them that has any meaning.
Why do songs have to have meaning?
If so, is playing instruments and all instrumentals trash?
richwicks says
Yes, I do. Now these leftist assholes are pushing for World War 3. I don't know what Roger Waters said at the time.
He made a few 80s albums that bombed, including Radio KAOS, which was about some Welsh Kid living in LA that was in a wheelchair but could manipulate computers into launching a fake nuclear war, whole album is about dismantling nukes with of course the West leading the way. The nuclear disarmament bullshit is also referenced in The Wall movie.
He's exactly the kind of Socialist Pacifist Orwell warned about in "On Nationalism". Big Criticism for the West, what little criticism for non-Western actors very muted, rare soft polite whispers.
richwicks says
I also consider what is reported about him is nothing but a smear. YOU know our media lies, and I do. I can't trust that article's truthfulness at all. This is what we have for "news" after all:
Funny, David Gilmour can tell you all about him, and his hypocrisy, his tax dodging, etc but he generally doesn't like to air dirty laundry. Waters thinks he's the bomb for his writing, and that the atmospheric sound - mostly Gilmour's work - ain't shit compared to his lyrics. Which honestly are okay, even good, but not earth shatteringly great.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Apr 13, 4:41pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Apr 13, 4:41pm
richwicks says
The point of contention was:
richwicks says
Almost everybody knows Detroit Rock City, Beth, and I Love It Loud including people under 30. It might be forgettable for you, but not for the far larger ticket sales to see KISS despite not having a big hit in almost 40 years, about the same time as Floyd.
Oh, Floyd did have "Learning to Fly" WITHOUT Waters, which was a top 20 hit in several countries in the late 80s.
It's okay to have some songs about getting laid, driving fast, listening to Rock. Not everything has to be about how Bleeding Heart Artfags will save the World
The Art Rock Atmospheric shit is Gilmour.
What are you trying to convince me of? That people are generally idiots?
I know this.
The point of contention was:
richwicks says
Possibly, but the band wasn't just superficial tripe, and KISS was. KISS was entirely superficial, and entirely forgettable.
Almost everybody knows Detroit Rock City, Beth, and I Love It Loud including people under 30. It might be forgettable for you, but not for the far larger ticket sales to see KISS despite not having a big hit in almost 40 years, about the same time as Floyd.
Oh, Floyd did have "Learning to Fly" WITHOUT Waters, which was a top 20 hit in several countries in the late 80s.
It's okay to have some songs about getting laid, driving fast, listening to Rock. Not everything has to be about how Bleeding Heart Artfags will save the World
The Art Rock Atmospheric shit is Gilmour.
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richwicks
2023 Apr 13, 4:47pm
richwicks
2023 Apr 13, 4:47pm
AmericanKulak says
It's not OK to have a "band" that just glorifies lust, drugs, and senselessness.
That's all KISS was. It's a children's band.
KISS were the original Dylan Mulaney. No substance at all. Here, do you want to hear some innocent, meaningless music?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QySSV19St0
It's a beautiful song. If you want to hear something meaningless, it should at least be positive and joyful. How did we get a society to hate this sort of artform?
Almost everybody knows Detroit Rock City, Beth, and I Love It Loud including people under 30.
It's okay to have some songs about getting laid, driving fast, listening to Rock. Not everything has to be about how Bleeding Heart Artfags will save the World
It's not OK to have a "band" that just glorifies lust, drugs, and senselessness.
That's all KISS was. It's a children's band.
KISS were the original Dylan Mulaney. No substance at all. Here, do you want to hear some innocent, meaningless music?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QySSV19St0
It's a beautiful song. If you want to hear something meaningless, it should at least be positive and joyful. How did we get a society to hate this sort of artform?
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AmericanKulak
2023 Apr 13, 5:07pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Apr 13, 5:07pm
richwicks says
It's fine to have Rock and Dance songs that don't have an overarching big deal Philosophical-Political meaning.
It's only Rock and Roll and I like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGaBlygm0UY
Music is about everything and nothing.
Here's one written about a band thoroughly annoyed when critics were trying to find deeper meaning in a band's songs than there was. Hundreds of millions can recognize this song in less than 10 seconds.
I AM THE WALRUS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1Jm5epJr10
GOO GOO GAJOOB!
I too want to sing when a hot chick has just licked my LOVE GUN. Uh-uh-uhhhhh unnnnnn. 8 Million viewers of this one video that is a screenshot of the album cover agree.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhO_jnKl4pk
In contrast, nobody wanted the Final Cut, which was Roger Waters bitching about Maggie Thatcher defending the Falklands and somehow a "Betrayal" of his Father's WW2 service, if you can figure that out.
It's not OK to have a "band" that just glorifies lust, drugs, and senselessness.
That's all KISS was. It's a children's band.
It's fine to have Rock and Dance songs that don't have an overarching big deal Philosophical-Political meaning.
It's only Rock and Roll and I like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGaBlygm0UY
Music is about everything and nothing.
Here's one written about a band thoroughly annoyed when critics were trying to find deeper meaning in a band's songs than there was. Hundreds of millions can recognize this song in less than 10 seconds.
I AM THE WALRUS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1Jm5epJr10
GOO GOO GAJOOB!
I too want to sing when a hot chick has just licked my LOVE GUN. Uh-uh-uhhhhh unnnnnn. 8 Million viewers of this one video that is a screenshot of the album cover agree.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhO_jnKl4pk
In contrast, nobody wanted the Final Cut, which was Roger Waters bitching about Maggie Thatcher defending the Falklands and somehow a "Betrayal" of his Father's WW2 service, if you can figure that out.
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richwicks
2023 Apr 13, 5:12pm
richwicks
2023 Apr 13, 5:12pm
AmericanKulak says
That seems nihilistic.
AmericanKulak says
Because the Beatles made it, only for that reason, that song is known. It couldn't stand on its own. If an unknown band produced the same thing, none of us would be aware it was ever created.
The only reason we know about this is celebrity worship.
Music is about everything and nothing.
That seems nihilistic.
AmericanKulak says
Here's one written about people trying to find deeper meaning in a band's songs than there was. Hundreds of millions can recognize this song in less than 10 seconds.
I AM THE WALRUS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1Jm5epJr10
GOO GOO GAJOOB!
Because the Beatles made it, only for that reason, that song is known. It couldn't stand on its own. If an unknown band produced the same thing, none of us would be aware it was ever created.
The only reason we know about this is celebrity worship.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Apr 13, 5:25pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Apr 13, 5:25pm
richwicks says
It's the opposite, it's all encompassing of a range of human experiences. As an Art Rock fanboy myself, but not every song needs to be about:
The Ruins of Pompeii - "Cities in Dust" - Siouxsie and the Banshees (mid 80s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsOHvP1XnRg&t=176s
OR The Trans Europe Express - Kraftwerk (1977)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3R-D44ak7g
This band's riffs having been sampled off by other artists from Afrikka Bambatta and the Soulsonic Force in the 80s to Coldplay in the 2000s. Probably only Parliament-Funkadelic was sampled more.
Most people have never heard of them, or realized it was the German Band being parodied in "The Big Lebowski" and countless Easter Eggs/References. There are even Latin Dance versions of their music by Senor Coconut.
richwicks says
Who knows? Other surprising songs became famous.
Here's an instrumental from the 70s most can recognize from a film or a sample. It was a dance hit from London to Paris to New York and launched probably hundreds of careers in electronic driven music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ab7tIZNplM
Or just Smack My Bitch Up. 24M views. Other than smack my bitch up and "Hey" there are no lyrics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZPECFQ4NhE
Or back to 70s Art/Space Rock... Neu! "Hallogallo", no lyrics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zndpi8tNZyQ
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/mar/03/roger-waters-reveals-first-music-from-re-recorded-solo-dark-side-of-the-moon
That seems nihilistic.
It's the opposite, it's all encompassing of a range of human experiences. As an Art Rock fanboy myself, but not every song needs to be about:
The Ruins of Pompeii - "Cities in Dust" - Siouxsie and the Banshees (mid 80s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsOHvP1XnRg&t=176s
OR The Trans Europe Express - Kraftwerk (1977)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3R-D44ak7g
This band's riffs having been sampled off by other artists from Afrikka Bambatta and the Soulsonic Force in the 80s to Coldplay in the 2000s. Probably only Parliament-Funkadelic was sampled more.
Most people have never heard of them, or realized it was the German Band being parodied in "The Big Lebowski" and countless Easter Eggs/References. There are even Latin Dance versions of their music by Senor Coconut.
richwicks says
Because the Beatles made it, only for that reason, that song is known. It couldn't stand on its own. If an unknown band produced the same thing, none of us would be aware it was ever created.
Who knows? Other surprising songs became famous.
Here's an instrumental from the 70s most can recognize from a film or a sample. It was a dance hit from London to Paris to New York and launched probably hundreds of careers in electronic driven music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ab7tIZNplM
Or just Smack My Bitch Up. 24M views. Other than smack my bitch up and "Hey" there are no lyrics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZPECFQ4NhE
Or back to 70s Art/Space Rock... Neu! "Hallogallo", no lyrics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zndpi8tNZyQ
Waters’ new version of Dark Side of the Moon is being prepared for release in May, with no date yet confirmed. According to Tristram Fane Saunders in the Telegraph, who listened to the new recording: “Waters seems to have decided that what was wrong with the original album’s beautiful instrumental tracks was that they didn’t have Waters talking all over them. Now they do.”
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/mar/03/roger-waters-reveals-first-music-from-re-recorded-solo-dark-side-of-the-moon
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Ceffer
2023 Apr 13, 5:35pm
Ceffer
2023 Apr 13, 5:35pm
Can't say I ever listened to a single KISS song in my life, unless it was background music somewhere and I didn't know it. Not for any particular reason, it just looked like teeny bopper foolishness all around.
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richwicks
2023 Apr 13, 8:10pm
richwicks
2023 Apr 13, 8:10pm
AmericanKulak says
Can you name a song like "I am the Walrus" from an UNKNOWN band, a one hit wonder?
The Beatles were just making fun of their fan base with that song.
I don't want to particularly argue about this, I'm simply saying KISS I always considered meaningless and their particular fame was how "outrageous" they were. If they didn't wear a shitload of makeup and a bunch of leather, they wouldn't have gone anywhere.
They were the forerunner of attentions whores we see today, like Sam Smith. They were failed bands as well like Quiet Riot and Frankie Goes to Hollywood. It's just the entire "be controversial" in some way.
Remember Insane Clown Posse? Same thing, just another era.
richwicks says
Because the Beatles made it, only for that reason, that song is known. It couldn't stand on its own. If an unknown band produced the same thing, none of us would be aware it was ever created.
Who knows? Other surprising songs became famous.
Can you name a song like "I am the Walrus" from an UNKNOWN band, a one hit wonder?
The Beatles were just making fun of their fan base with that song.
I don't want to particularly argue about this, I'm simply saying KISS I always considered meaningless and their particular fame was how "outrageous" they were. If they didn't wear a shitload of makeup and a bunch of leather, they wouldn't have gone anywhere.
They were the forerunner of attentions whores we see today, like Sam Smith. They were failed bands as well like Quiet Riot and Frankie Goes to Hollywood. It's just the entire "be controversial" in some way.
Remember Insane Clown Posse? Same thing, just another era.
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mell
2023 Apr 13, 8:20pm
AmericanKulak says
Pretty good act. I consider the Beatles, though being great musicians individually, overrated as a band. The best riff of that time hands down goes to gimme shelter by the Stones, def a contender for best riff evah.
Afrikka Bambatta
Pretty good act. I consider the Beatles, though being great musicians individually, overrated as a band. The best riff of that time hands down goes to gimme shelter by the Stones, def a contender for best riff evah.
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Karloff
2023 Apr 13, 9:24pm
Karloff
2023 Apr 13, 9:24pm
I don't mind some KISS tunes now and then. Yeah, it's meaningless, repetitive, and formulaic, but trying to find meaning in everything all of the time is tiring. Sometimes you just need something mindless to relax to and enjoy. Same reason I like watching a mindless action flick now and then, skipping a rock across a calm lake, or playing some fast-paced shoot'em-up video game.
All depends on the mood.
All depends on the mood.
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Karloff
2023 Apr 13, 9:28pm
Karloff
2023 Apr 13, 9:28pm
richwicks says
I wouldn't consider either of these bands to be failures. I've heard songs from both of them within the past week. If music I wrote was still being played and listened to 30+ years later, I'd be pretty happy.
They were failed bands as well like Quiet Riot and Frankie Goes to Hollywood. It's just the entire "be controversial" in some way.
I wouldn't consider either of these bands to be failures. I've heard songs from both of them within the past week. If music I wrote was still being played and listened to 30+ years later, I'd be pretty happy.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Apr 13, 10:12pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Apr 13, 10:12pm
Karloff says
EXACTLY.
Otherwise, where would Weird Al be? Or "Orbital" or "The Orb" or other chill electronic music. Same reason I fall asleep to "Space Documentary Background Music" on the Drone Zone at https://somafm.com/dronezone/songhistory.html
When I drive I sometimes listen to synthwave (think Knight Rider Theme or the old game "Outrun" soundtrack):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDBbaGCCIhk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLPoZGX0qZk
richwicks says
I hear you, but I don't think Kiss was no more outrageous in style than any other glam bands; if anything they were less androgynous than most. The whole outrageous costume/makeup thing was going on simultaneously or a bit before Kiss in the early 70s.
Sweet ("Ballroom Blitz"), Peter Gabriel-fronted Genesis, etc. all used makeup and wild costumes.
Bowie circa early 70s
Much later, but Twisted Sister was far more grotesque in appearance when they came out. They purposefully tried to look like Trannies.
I don't mind some KISS tunes now and then. Yeah, it's meaningless, repetitive, and formulaic, but trying to find meaning in everything all of the time is tiring. Sometimes you just need something mindless to relax to and enjoy. Same reason I like watching a mindless action flick now and then, skipping a rock across a calm lake, or playing some fast-paced shoot'em-up video game.
All depends on the mood.
EXACTLY.
Otherwise, where would Weird Al be? Or "Orbital" or "The Orb" or other chill electronic music. Same reason I fall asleep to "Space Documentary Background Music" on the Drone Zone at https://somafm.com/dronezone/songhistory.html
When I drive I sometimes listen to synthwave (think Knight Rider Theme or the old game "Outrun" soundtrack):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDBbaGCCIhk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLPoZGX0qZk
richwicks says
I don't want to particularly argue about this, I'm simply saying KISS I always considered meaningless and their particular fame was how "outrageous" they were. If they didn't wear a shitload of makeup and a bunch of leather, they wouldn't have gone anywhere.
I hear you, but I don't think Kiss was no more outrageous in style than any other glam bands; if anything they were less androgynous than most. The whole outrageous costume/makeup thing was going on simultaneously or a bit before Kiss in the early 70s.
Sweet ("Ballroom Blitz"), Peter Gabriel-fronted Genesis, etc. all used makeup and wild costumes.
Bowie circa early 70s
Much later, but Twisted Sister was far more grotesque in appearance when they came out. They purposefully tried to look like Trannies.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Apr 13, 10:25pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Apr 13, 10:25pm
Karloff says
Bang your head, for Metal Health.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_1ruZWJigo
mell says
I hear you on that one. I have to get more into the Stones, they have some great songs, but I haven't checked out the deeper cuts.
The most overrated band from my era would have to be Nirvana.
Sadly, Rock is pretty much dead and has been for years.
I wouldn't consider either of these bands to be failures. I've heard songs from both of them within the past week. If music I wrote was still being played and listened to 30+ years later, I'd be pretty happy.
Bang your head, for Metal Health.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_1ruZWJigo
mell says
Pretty good act. I consider the Beatles, though being great musicians individually, overrated as a band. The best riff of that time hands down goes to gimme shelter by the Stones, def a contender for best riff evah.
I hear you on that one. I have to get more into the Stones, they have some great songs, but I haven't checked out the deeper cuts.
The most overrated band from my era would have to be Nirvana.
Sadly, Rock is pretty much dead and has been for years.
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WookieMan
2023 Apr 13, 10:40pm
WookieMan
2023 Apr 13, 10:40pm
Kiss is shock rock. Doesn't even matter about message. It's just not good music. I wouldn't consider it fun either. It's a gimmick. Selling out 30 arena dates is dick as well. Play 120-150 shows a year. That's what real bands do. I've played more than 30 shows a year as a drummer back in the day. And I didn't have crew doing shit for me.
I don't particularly care about the message. I listen to the instruments I know. Kiss does not have good musicians or song writing. This really isn't debatable. I'll take Floyd 10 out of 10 times. I have musicians that I know are better overall than Kiss or Floyd. I know one guitarist in the Chicago region that would eat the likes of Clapton or Jimmi when he was alive.
If you've done a tour you meet some ridiculous musicians. Most famous ones are overhyped or just got the marketing money to push albums and shows. I've opened for famous bands and met a lot of famous bands. They're mostly ass holes to be honest. They treat touring like it's an accounting job. Their sets suck. Some were awesome and down to earth though. Rusted Root was probably the best. Great group of guys. Actively watched our set when we were the opener. Were super nice.
I don't particularly care about the message. I listen to the instruments I know. Kiss does not have good musicians or song writing. This really isn't debatable. I'll take Floyd 10 out of 10 times. I have musicians that I know are better overall than Kiss or Floyd. I know one guitarist in the Chicago region that would eat the likes of Clapton or Jimmi when he was alive.
If you've done a tour you meet some ridiculous musicians. Most famous ones are overhyped or just got the marketing money to push albums and shows. I've opened for famous bands and met a lot of famous bands. They're mostly ass holes to be honest. They treat touring like it's an accounting job. Their sets suck. Some were awesome and down to earth though. Rusted Root was probably the best. Great group of guys. Actively watched our set when we were the opener. Were super nice.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Apr 13, 10:53pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Apr 13, 10:53pm
WookieMan says
I wouldn't consider Kiss the equal of Pink Floyd musically.
But it's like comparing Monty Python's Holy Grail to Blade Runner, or Apocalypse Now to Drunken Master (Jackie Chan Flick)
Is Blade Runner "Better" than Python's "Grail"? "Well cinematically, and in terms of depth"... two different Genres of Film.
There's just such different modes they're not comparable.
Kiss is shock rock. Doesn't even matter about message.
I wouldn't consider Kiss the equal of Pink Floyd musically.
But it's like comparing Monty Python's Holy Grail to Blade Runner, or Apocalypse Now to Drunken Master (Jackie Chan Flick)
Is Blade Runner "Better" than Python's "Grail"? "Well cinematically, and in terms of depth"... two different Genres of Film.
There's just such different modes they're not comparable.
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richwicks
2023 Apr 13, 10:54pm
richwicks
2023 Apr 13, 10:54pm
Karloff says
Yes, it's tiresome because you can't find any meaning in it, because there is no meaning in it.
If I want to listen to music that just gives me emotional engagement, I'll listen to classical music. If there's words, they have to have meaning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NjssV8UuVA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmk5frp6-3Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkxXFLRmqvw
You've heard these before too. I CAN appreciate music, but notice what survives is simply remarkable. This is meaningless, emotional, beautiful music. Here is some of Handel's water music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAyiidg25uE
I don't deny there isn't remarkable music, but I hate music that has lyrics that are meaningless. If you're going to have lyrics, don't make nonsense.
Don't get me wrong as some snob twat that insists classical music if "the best". It's antiquated, but still worthy of attention. It's like an old film. From another era, and we should respect the other eras. Look at the artwork produced 2000 years ago, some of it is just amazing.
You've seen this before, this is marble:
Let's not forget our dead ancestors. That's a remarkable work, what do we produce today that is equivalent or better? This is Jeffrey Koons:
Music is the same. An embarrassment. Fraud is our life now.
eah, it's meaningless, repetitive, and formulaic, but trying to find meaning in everything all of the time is tiring.
Yes, it's tiresome because you can't find any meaning in it, because there is no meaning in it.
If I want to listen to music that just gives me emotional engagement, I'll listen to classical music. If there's words, they have to have meaning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NjssV8UuVA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmk5frp6-3Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkxXFLRmqvw
You've heard these before too. I CAN appreciate music, but notice what survives is simply remarkable. This is meaningless, emotional, beautiful music. Here is some of Handel's water music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAyiidg25uE
I don't deny there isn't remarkable music, but I hate music that has lyrics that are meaningless. If you're going to have lyrics, don't make nonsense.
Don't get me wrong as some snob twat that insists classical music if "the best". It's antiquated, but still worthy of attention. It's like an old film. From another era, and we should respect the other eras. Look at the artwork produced 2000 years ago, some of it is just amazing.
You've seen this before, this is marble:
Let's not forget our dead ancestors. That's a remarkable work, what do we produce today that is equivalent or better? This is Jeffrey Koons:
Music is the same. An embarrassment. Fraud is our life now.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Apr 13, 10:56pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Apr 13, 10:56pm
Classic Spinal Tap Skit:
"In D-minor, which is the saddest of all keys... I don't know why".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7vk5keNbRc
"In D-minor, which is the saddest of all keys... I don't know why".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7vk5keNbRc
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richwicks
2023 Apr 13, 10:57pm
richwicks
2023 Apr 13, 10:57pm
Here, since we are talking about music, and senseless music, listen to these people:
https://www.youtube.com/@LeonidVorobyevandfriends
They are a cover band for the Chicago band, they are Russian I believe, and they have talent. They are very good in my opinion. Better than Chicago ever was.
https://www.youtube.com/@LeonidVorobyevandfriends
They are a cover band for the Chicago band, they are Russian I believe, and they have talent. They are very good in my opinion. Better than Chicago ever was.
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WookieMan
2023 Apr 14, 2:36am
WookieMan
2023 Apr 14, 2:36am
AmericanKulak says
Neither is technically talented at individual instruments. Pink Floyd just writes better music composed as a whole. A 3rd grader could play either bands music and start a cover band. Music is marketing and who you know. There are so many "unfound" amazing musicians out there. It frankly sucks who is pushed to the forefront.
WookieMan says
Kiss is shock rock. Doesn't even matter about message.
I wouldn't consider Kiss the equal of Pink Floyd musically.
But it's like comparing Monty Python's Holy Grail to Blade Runner, or Apocalypse Now to Drunken Master (Jackie Chan Flick)
Is Blade Runner "Better" than Python's "Grail"? "Well cinematically, and in terms of depth"... two different Genres of Film.
There's just such different modes they're not comparable.
Neither is technically talented at individual instruments. Pink Floyd just writes better music composed as a whole. A 3rd grader could play either bands music and start a cover band. Music is marketing and who you know. There are so many "unfound" amazing musicians out there. It frankly sucks who is pushed to the forefront.
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richwicks
2023 Apr 14, 10:10am
richwicks
2023 Apr 14, 10:10am
WookieMan says
^^^ This ^^^
The current celebrity is a fat, disgusting black woman that refuses to wear any fucking clothing.
It's BECAUSE she's grossly overweight she's "a star". Nothing else. But it's been this way forever it just used to be you had to have mediocre ability and be fit. It's all artificial and ability and creativity, they are the least important parts to stardom.
It frankly sucks who is pushed to the forefront.
^^^ This ^^^
The current celebrity is a fat, disgusting black woman that refuses to wear any fucking clothing.
It's BECAUSE she's grossly overweight she's "a star". Nothing else. But it's been this way forever it just used to be you had to have mediocre ability and be fit. It's all artificial and ability and creativity, they are the least important parts to stardom.
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