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Shouldn't there be manual overrides? Just saw/heard the story this morning. There's weekly flyover inspections of these pipelines. How hard would it be to staff people at critical shut offs during this issue? You're looking at $200/hr+ for mandatory fly overs. Throw a tech out there for $20/hr at each shut off to keep the gas/oil flowing. Maybe it's more complicated, but it's not like a hack will break pipes.

We have two major pipelines in our immediate area. 3' diameter pipes. They're nat. gas. One was in my parents backyard and the other went by my high school. Actually was built while I was going there. They have stations spaced out every so often with controls in a little fenced in area. I get they want it automated, but there's zero reason to be shutting it down. None.

This is just an opinion, but even an old town like mine has infrastructure to shut off water on individual blocks if there's a pipe break. I have to imagine this could be handled manually.

I benefit massively from this as the wife's work will now get to jack their prices and commission are gonna be big this year. Inflation, here we come.

WookieMan says

Shouldn't there be manual overrides? Just saw/heard the story this morning. There's weekly flyover inspections of these pipelines. How hard would it be to staff people at critical shut offs during this issue? You're looking at $200/hr+ for mandatory fly overs. Throw a tech out there for $20/hr at each shut off to keep the gas/oil flowing. Maybe it's more complicated, but it's not like a hack will break pipes.

We have two major pipelines in our immediate area. 3' diameter pipes. They're nat. gas. One was in my parents backyard and the other went by my high school. Actually was built while I was going there. They have stations spaced out every so often with controls in a little fenced in area. I get they want it automated, but there's zero reason to be shutting it down. None.

This is just an opinion, but even an old town like mine has infrastructure to shut off water on individual blocks if there's a pipe break. I have to imagine this could be handled ma...

Yeah, you'd think there would be manual valves for this shit.

It might be regulations - "mandatory sensors every X yards. operator shall not allow any flow while sensors are inoperable."

The articles I read show insane lines in Atlanta area and that places are out of gas. I took a 30 mile trip this morning and all stations were operating as normal - no lines. I filled up my truck, no problems. Every place was normal.

This article here, shows massive lines at Costco:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9564219/Gas-stations-begin-run-fuel-cyberattack-Colonial-Pipeline.html#readerCommentsCommand-message-field

Here's the photo's:





That Costco ALWAYS has fucking long ass lines. Always. It's the Costco off of 285/41. Cumberland parkway by the mall.

This is just the media trying to induce panic... AGAIN.

My honest take is that this was orchestrated by the left to take your eyes off the AZ audit.

joshuatrio says

That Costco ALWAYS has fucking long ass lines.

Pretty much any Costco has gas lines.

joshuatrio says

Here's the photo's:

All the white, silver and grey cars with the odd red or blue one thrown in for good measure.

No problems up this way yet.

Something smells fishy as MSM is saying they did NOT get access to the control system. (See below)

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/colonial-pipeline-hack-what-we-know-and-how-will-it-impact-gas-prices/3048422/

If that's true, why such a large disruption?? Strange. No fire but a small but of smoke...as OP points out. This can't be the whole story.

I usually don't cross reference my comments from other threads but the one below is somewhat relevant.

https://patrick.net/post/1338068?0#comment-1733630

I don't know, these are big corporations. You'd think there'd be a f'ing contingency plan if the automation had an issue or was hacked. My friend does inspections for municipalities and business for fire protection systems. Sprinkler systems. Basically a pipeline within a building. Everything is automated, but they also have to do manual tests. I can't imagine it being any different for oil/gas.

If big government is going to regulate, at least do it right or even half assed. I know big business will half ass it if given the opportunity, but there's got to be a middle ground where something like this "supposedly" happened when it shouldn't. As usual I don't trust the narrative or timing as others have said. ~2 weeks away from Memorial Day and the start of summer. What a boon to big oil and fuel taxes that have likely been starved with Covid and work from home.

Alright. This morning everything was fine. This afternoon was a different story. About 1/2 the stations I passed by were out of gas.

Walmart had a line 3 cars deep for fuel.

Stupidity.

Gas shortage just in time for Memorial Day. I'm sure it's just a coincidence, but the Russians are at fault.

You think you are going to enjoy travel and be let out of your torture chambers, fucking peasants? Wait til you get a load of what's next.

https://youtu.be/PxLFXnj9Nz8

joshuatrio says

Alright. This morning everything was fine. This afternoon was a different story. About 1/2 the stations I passed by were out of gas.

Walmart had a line 3 cars deep for fuel.

Stupidity.

Stupidity for sure. But it's why the Midwest is the best... besides winter. There should be no fuel shortages here. Prices will go up, but Gary, IN has massive BP refineries and I don't think our pipelines are effected by this "hack" or whatever the media is calling it.

My concern is like the run on TP from Covid, are places that have normal supplies of fuel going to have a run on them? We've got two gas guzzlers now. 15mpg. I can stay at home or use the 35mpg beater, but the wife has to drive.

I guess my thing is what if the media didn't report about this? No one would have known. Now everyone does and are likely freaking out and getting as much fuel as they can. There has to be some sort of accountability for creating hysteria, right?

We need a "meta-journalism" which simply points out all of the lies, omissions, and distortions in the MSM news each day.

It would be quite entertaining, might get a huge following.

Catturd is 💯 percent correct.

Patrick says

We need a "meta-journalism" which simply points out all of the lies, omissions, and distortions in the MSM news each day.

It would be quite entertaining, might get a huge following.

That's basically what Jimmy Dore does.

It can be a bit dangerous. So few journalists tell the truth either, so also exhausting.