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richwicks says

f the US didn't support the Khmer Rouge, maybe 2 billion Cambodians wouldn't have died an early death. The US is doing this now in Ukraine. I bet the Ukrainian death toll is like 1 million.

Did US support Khmer Rouge? If so, then how is it different from supporting Hitler or any other monster?
Human species when seeking power is a piece of shite.
Destruction of Ukraine is by design. How is 1 million death not a genocide (if 200k is a holocaust)?This area will become defacto US colony. Colonization hasn't gone away, it has morphed.

richwicks says

The US supported Pol Pot. So of course he did nothing wrong since ghosh forid, the US government can't do any wrong.

The US not only helped to create conditions that brought Cambodia's Khmer Rouge to power in 1975, but actively supported the genocidal force, politically and financially. By January 1980, the US was secretly funding Pol Pot's exiled forces on the Thai border. The extent of this support -- $85 million from 1980-86 -- was revealed 6 years later in correspondence between congressional lawyer Jonathan Winer, then counsel to Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and the Vietnam Veterans of America Foundation."

Source: https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/pol/polpotmontclarion0498.html

The US did have "advisors" on the ground in Cambodia, but they supported the government, not the Communists. Part of the domino bullshit. The bigger problem with the US in Cambodia from the air. Dropped a shit ton of bombs on a country we knew nothing about.

NuttBoxer says

Dropped a shit ton of bombs on a country we knew nothing about.

Cha ching

The US supported Prince Sukhonut or whatever his name was.

There may have been a time where the US was cheering Pol Pot on when he attempted some revanchism on newly reunited Communist Vietnam (at one time large slices of South Vietnam were under Cambodian rulers), but the Vietnamese knew the Khmer Rogue were under the CCP's control, and didn't want to have China in the North with a Chinese Client in the West (Cambodia).

The Vietnamese and China fought a war in 1979, and it wasn't a few shells lobbed over the border. In just a few weeks, each side suffered a little less than the total KIA of the US in years in Vietnam. The CCP went to war to "Spank the naughty child" over Vietnamese intervention in Cambodia to slap Pol Pot back down, over the Spratleys, and allegedly to protect "Ethnic minorities" - quite a few tribes defected to China during the Vietnam War era. Oh, and to show the Vietnamese that the USSR couldn't prevent them from taking territory if China wanted to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War

Although the consensus is the CCP got a far bigger drubbing than they expected. No surprise there, the Vietnamese had lots of US Equipment and far, far more recent and extensive experience in combat.

gabbar says

Did US support Khmer Rouge? If so, then how is it different from supporting Hitler or any other monster?

Yes, the US supported it because they opposed the Vietcong.

Our government has no morality, but you may have it.

There is no morality in war, ever.

If only people knew, this bloodshed would end. More people know now than they ever did, which is why the Syrian war was subdued, and we don't have troops in Ukraine (officially) now.

The reason enlistment in the military is down, is because even children are learning. Now they have to recruit the mentally ill, lunatics.

I believe in a strong defense, but not for this criminal government. If we can't reform it, it must be destroyed. We cannot build a nation that depends on continual war, and that's what we are doing. It must end. War is nothing more than state sanctioned murder. How can we survive as a nation on that alone? It's been 20 years that we've allowed our criminal government to destroy us, how many more years can we go on?

The Khmer Rouge were supported by CHYna.
The Vietnamese and their puppet government in Cambodia "People's Republic of Kampuchea" were supported by the USSR.

The "Coalition Government of Democratic Kampuchea" a government in exile consisting of the Khmer Rouge (Maoist), the KPNLF (Nonaligned but Liberal), and FUNCINPEC (Royalist/Nationalist) to resist Vietnam's invasion and puppet regime was put together by the great Singapore Perma-President, Lee Kwan Yue, and the US supported both FUNCINPEC and KPNLF and the CGDK, but not the Khmer Rouge, at least not directly.

Is it possible the US gave satellite photos to the Khmer Rouge to ambush Vietnamese troops? Probably. Did the US aid the genocide? No, the Killing Fields were over before the Coalition Government was created in 1982, and the US only materially supported KPNLF and FUNCINPEC.

The Killing Fields ended by 1979 with the invasion by Vietnam of Cambodia, in response to occupation of Vietnamese territory by Khmer Rouge Revanchists (and because Vietnam did not want a filthy Chinese-backed regime for a Western neighbor when they had China on their Northern Border)

Interesting, I read that when Deng Xiaoping told Carter he was going to invade Vietnam, he took Carter's answer for tacit approval. Although now with Biden, Carter is no longer the worst President.

richwicks says

If only people knew, this bloodshed would end.

This is what they are concerned about; awareness. They don't want people to know. Therefore free speech must be controlled. This is why there is thought police, social media police. Plant ideas while they are young when they are in schools. Fill their minds (wokeness, endless wars, trans, homo, muslim, climate change, support the new thing, divide and rule, race cards, inflation, printing money, hollywood, new age practices, yoga, minimum wage, un-healthcare, vaccines, trudeaus, aoc, lindsey grahams, soros .....) and bellies with junk that will weaken and eventually destroy them. Take food away from american family kitchen tables through outsourcing and labor important. Grind them through physical and mental exploitation (paraphrasing Churchill in a public speech)

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The link only states that Kissenger(as American as a central bank) wanted diplomatic relations, and encouraged China to have the same. When I compare that with American troops fighting Khmer Rouge, and American bombers killing Khmer Rouge, I don't see your case for support being strong at all.

Don't tell me you wanted MORE imperialist intervention in SE Asia!?

We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory will swell when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature. — Abraham Lincoln

NuttBoxer says

Don't tell me you wanted MORE imperialist intervention in SE Asia!?

The only reason the US was in Vietnam is that the US promised Vietnam independence if Vietnam fought on the side of the Allies. After WWII, France didn't want to lose their colony, so they convinced the US to break their promise, and later on France was refusing to join NATO unless the US helped them keep Vietnam a colony.

That's how we got drawn in.

I think if it was so damned important to bring France into NATO, we should have overthrown France. They weren't going to fight anyhow, the reason France lost so quickly to Germany is that most Frenchmen didn't give a damned about which government dominated them, and they all remembered WWI.

richwicks says

If you really care for your pets, you grieve for them eternally. It sucks they live such a short life.

All dogs go to heaven. (The thought is comforting) Their lives are short so we treat them special. We are not there for them as much as they are there for us.

richwicks says

That's how we got drawn in.

Not according to Kissinger or McNamara. It was all about "stopping Communism" falling dominos, .

Funny, we still have people that fall for the commie boogyman today, supporting whatever atrocities the MIC commits.

Investment managers are nothing more than fortune tellers or astrologers who are dragging money out of their clients’ accounts.- Charlie Munger

All societies discourage and penalize ideas and writings that threaten the ruling status quo. – Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals

gabbar says

All societies discourage and penalize ideas and writings that threaten the ruling status quo. – Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals

This is true and that actually is in the book, on page 23:

https://monoskop.org/images/4/4d/Alinsky_Saul_D_Rules_for_Radicals_A_Practical_Primer_for_Realistic_Radicals.pdf

People often attribute quotes to Alinsky that he never said. I'd recommend people read Rules for Radicals, or I can give you an audiobook of it if you like, or you can get it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGI8vHXWaPs

Mine is just an MP3 rip of that file.

I don't have much respect for Alinsky, but he's not entirely a moron. The book is about basically working within the system in order to modify it. I don't think Alinsky would approve of what we have now, and it's really the system working against the public, as it always has been. The system corrupted the people that entered it, they didn't reform it.

Alinsky was also a major hypocrite, so take anything he's EVER said or written with a grain of salt, and consider he may have an ulterior motive in what he promotes.

That is a great story, but I have read it before in 50 year old books.

HeadSet says

That is a great story, but I have read it before in 50 year old books.

I also don't believe it. I would have immediately picked up there was something wrong when the kid said "goodbye" to his parents, and I'm a social retard.

The first thing a doctor does with a kid, at least in my experience, is to assure you nothing will go wrong.

I think you're right.

richwicks says

the system working against the public

THIS. I didn't see this coming. Most people in the world didn't see this coming.

Human beings are vicious creatures - Jordan Peterson
You’re all in a cult. No, you are. - Jordan Peterson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnTFpCemVrA

The war is over for me now, but it will always be there, the rest of my days. I think now, looking back, we did not fight the enemy; WE FOUGHT OURSELVES. And the enemy was in us. The war is over for me now, but it will always be there, the rest of my days. As I'm sure Elias will be, fighting with Barnes for what Rhah called possession of my soul. There are times since, I've felt like the child born of those two fathers. But, be that as it may, those of us who did make it have an obligation to build again, to teach to others what we know, and to try with what's left of our lives to find a goodness and a meaning to this life." - Platoon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p25bS4VXYq8

You can take the man out of the war but you can’t take the war out of the man

“95% of the experts on the USDA nutrition guidelines committee receive personal payments from food and or pharma companies.” - Calley Means

gabbar says

I think he is pefectly entitled to kill the man who raped him.

Patrick says

gabbar says

I think he is pefectly entitled to kill the man who raped him.

This is when justice in Saudi Arabian style is appropriate.

Big pharma, big food, big restaurants, big fast food restaurants....don't want you to know this


Source: https://slaynews.com/news/zero-amish-children-diagnosed-cancer-diabetes-autism/

https://notthebee.com/article/these-folks-coming-together-to-hilariously-reenact-the-massive-montgomery-riverfront-brawl-is-the-stuff-martin-luther-king-jr-dreamed-of

These folks coming together to hilariously reenact Saturday's Montgomery riverfront brawl is the stuff of MLK Jr's dreams

... But honestly, I hope the hilarious reenactment trend catches on; that was amazing, American, and more entertaining than anything coming out of Hollywood these days!

gabbar says

Source: https://slaynews.com/news/zero-amish-children-diagnosed-cancer-diabetes-autism/

Just remember, this was true in the 1980s, 1990s, 2000's, 2010's, and not a single group though to report on this or to investigate on it.

Big pharma is dangerous and deadly. I knew people that worked in that field, they have no idea.

The Amish are not type 2 diabetic because they are not obese. That's about all there is to that one.

I expect they do get some cancers.

I'm pretty sure vaccines are linked to autism though.

I know here in WNY, the Shriners are active in helping Amish with transportation and funding for hospital visits. The outrageous medical fees are really hitting the Amish hard.

Some blather I found about cancer and the Amish via Brave search:

The age-adjusted cancer incidence rate for all cancers among Amish adults is 60% of the age-adjusted rate for Ohio and 56% of the national rate. Tobacco-related cancers in Amish adults are 37% of the rate for Ohio adults, and non-tobacco-related cancers are 72% of the rate for Ohio adults.0 The Amish are protected against many types of cancer through their lifestyle, limited sexual partners, and genes that may reduce their susceptibility to cancer.4 However, Amish and Hutterites have unusually high rates of breast cancer and juvenile leukemia. A study published in the journal Cancer Causes and Control found virtually no instances of cancer among the Amish population of Holmes County, Ohio.

I'm going to try to include a positive meme with a message that helps to fill the void in people's souls. That void is currently exploited by the woke and Homo-globo Incorporated. But a positive view of the future would fill it much better and give people resistance to those evils.

Who can't love a dog? Just wonderful creatures.