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Ohio U. S. Senate candidate proposes reparations for white descendants of Union Civil War soldiers
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2023 Apr 22, 8:04pm 695 views 8 comments
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richwicks
2023 Jun 5, 8:04pm
richwicks
2023 Jun 5, 8:04pm
RayAmerica says
That's all that is taught, at least in the north, and it's not true.
The American civil war was over taxation. If it was about slavery, the North would have abolished slavery before the war began, but they didn't. There were 5 border states that were slave states that fought for the North. I wish history was taught instead of modern propaganda.
After the civil war, slaves were freed in the South first, and you know what happened? Millions found themselves unemployable, and unable to work, so they starved to death. Not like the local business owner was going to give a sharecropper a job and the north didn't want them either.
"That same group of people later, white people, died to free black people," he continued. "It's never happened in human history before, but it happened here in America. That's not taught a lot in schools much, is it?”
That's all that is taught, at least in the north, and it's not true.
The American civil war was over taxation. If it was about slavery, the North would have abolished slavery before the war began, but they didn't. There were 5 border states that were slave states that fought for the North. I wish history was taught instead of modern propaganda.
After the civil war, slaves were freed in the South first, and you know what happened? Millions found themselves unemployable, and unable to work, so they starved to death. Not like the local business owner was going to give a sharecropper a job and the north didn't want them either.
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HeadSet
2023 Jun 6, 8:06am
HeadSet
2023 Jun 6, 8:06am
richwicks says
That is just as false a history as the part about the war being about slaves. There were about 4 million slaves in 1860, so you think half of them (you did write "millions") starved to death? That all plantations disappeared and did not need to be worked? No railroad work? No mines? No westward expansion? No migration to cities like Chicago? Slaves were experienced field hands, blacksmiths, livery handlers, cooks, seamstresses and other skills, but just were not paid.
Millions found themselves unemployable, and unable to work, so they starved to death.
That is just as false a history as the part about the war being about slaves. There were about 4 million slaves in 1860, so you think half of them (you did write "millions") starved to death? That all plantations disappeared and did not need to be worked? No railroad work? No mines? No westward expansion? No migration to cities like Chicago? Slaves were experienced field hands, blacksmiths, livery handlers, cooks, seamstresses and other skills, but just were not paid.
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Onvacation
2023 Jun 6, 9:36am
Onvacation
2023 Jun 6, 9:36am
richwicks says
When our country was founded a majority of states were slave states. Throughout the early 1800's a balance was maintained between free and slave states. By 1858 free states were a majority and it was just a matter of time before the 3/5 compromise was amended away.
Before the civil war America was about personal and state's rights. Lincoln's term federalized the country.
Was John Brown's raid about abolition or taxes? Was "Bloody Kansas" A fight over taxes or slavery?
I know the victors write the history but it seems to me that the civil war was at least a little about slavery and fixing the constitutional 3/5 compromise.
The American civil war was over taxation. If it was about slavery, the North would have abolished slavery before the war began,
When our country was founded a majority of states were slave states. Throughout the early 1800's a balance was maintained between free and slave states. By 1858 free states were a majority and it was just a matter of time before the 3/5 compromise was amended away.
Before the civil war America was about personal and state's rights. Lincoln's term federalized the country.
Was John Brown's raid about abolition or taxes? Was "Bloody Kansas" A fight over taxes or slavery?
I know the victors write the history but it seems to me that the civil war was at least a little about slavery and fixing the constitutional 3/5 compromise.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Jun 6, 9:46am
AmericanKulak
2023 Jun 6, 9:46am
richwicks says
When Calhoun tried to start something over Tariffs, everybody else in the South was lampooning him.
The South did fine off Tariffs, because the formula used to calculate how the Tariff got spent was disproportionately spent in southern states for dredging, lighthouses, ports, and other infrastructure.
The war was over Slavery. Bleeding Kansas wasn't Tariff activists attacking each other; the big fights in Congress over which states should be created/admitted weren't about which ones were likely to support the Tariff, but which were conducive to plantation agriculture.
This is what I mean when I say "In times of demoralization, expect the GOOD of the past to come under attack and discredit attempts, as well as the lies."
The American civil war was over taxation.
When Calhoun tried to start something over Tariffs, everybody else in the South was lampooning him.
The South did fine off Tariffs, because the formula used to calculate how the Tariff got spent was disproportionately spent in southern states for dredging, lighthouses, ports, and other infrastructure.
The war was over Slavery. Bleeding Kansas wasn't Tariff activists attacking each other; the big fights in Congress over which states should be created/admitted weren't about which ones were likely to support the Tariff, but which were conducive to plantation agriculture.
This is what I mean when I say "In times of demoralization, expect the GOOD of the past to come under attack and discredit attempts, as well as the lies."
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Patrick
2024 Jun 20, 9:28pm
I never thought about it before, but the rich Republicans of the north got a massive influx of blacks from the south after "winning" the civil war.
Patrick
2024 Jun 20, 9:28pm
I never thought about it before, but the rich Republicans of the north got a massive influx of blacks from the south after "winning" the civil war.
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Ceffer
2024 Jun 21, 3:02pm
Ceffer
2024 Jun 21, 3:02pm
The issue keeps coming up because it's in the customary grab bag of Kommie 'stupid voter tricks for stupid voters' to promise money that will never materialize and attach righteous entitlement to it. It works because I remember the raft of vids after Obama was elected of disgruntled minorities who never got their various 'entitlements', debt forgiveness, mortgage forgiveness etc. that he promised. Instead, he spit on them by giving them free cell phones so they could continue conducting their hooring and drug dealing economies (also the standard post election Democratic hock tuah on the voters who voted them in).
"We stand at the shoulders of giants, don't we? We stand on shoulders of people like John Adams, James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, George Washington. That this group of people took on the largest empire in history. They said no, we will not stand for this. And won," Moreno said earlier this week, according to the New York Post.
"That same group of people later, white people, died to free black people," he continued. "It's never happened in human history before, but it happened here in America. That's not taught a lot in schools much, is it?”
The Republican entrepreneur is the second GOP candidate to throw his hat into the race. Ohio state Senator Matt Dolan is his opponent in the primary.
“They make it sound like America is a racist, broken country," Moreno continued in his speech.
"You name a country that did that: that freed slaves, died to do that," he stated. "You know, they talk about reparations. Where are the reparations for the people in the North who died to save the lives of black people?”
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/ohio-senate-candidate-proposes-reparations-white-descendants-union-civil-war