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Snowden: "Most Effective Means Of Social Control In The History Of Our Species" Now In Place


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2019 Jun 3, 7:03am   3,919 views  31 comments

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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-01/edward-snowden-most-effective-means-social-control-history-our-species-place

"It's related to influence that reaches everyone in every place," he said. "It has no regard for borders. Its reach is unlimited, if you will, but its safeguards are not." Without such defenses, technology is able to affect human behavior.

Institutions can "monitor and record private activities of people on a scale that's broad enough that we can say it's close to all-powerful," said Snowden. They do this through "new platforms and algorithms," through which "they're able to shift our behavior. In some cases they're able to predict our decisions—and also nudge them—to different outcomes. And they do this by exploiting the human need for belonging."

"We don't sign up for this," he added, dismissing the notion that people know exactly what they are getting into with social media platforms like Facebook.

"How many of you who have a Facebook account actually read the terms of service?" Snowden asked. "Everything has hundreds and hundreds of pages of legal jargon that we're not qualified to read and assess—and yet they're considered to be binding upon us."

"It is through this sort of unholy connection of technology and sort of an unusual interpretation of contract law," he continued, "that these institutions have been able to transform this greatest virtue of humanity—which is this desire to interact and to connect and to cooperate and to share—to transform all of that into a weakness."

"And now," he added, "these institutions, which are both commercial and governmental, have built upon that and... have structuralized that and entrenched it to where it has become now the most effective means of social control in the history of our species.
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The answer, of course, is to not use Facebook or Google at all. It's difficult though, because friends, relatives, and even employers just assume you will use those spying platforms.

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10   Dissident   2022 Apr 28, 2:07pm  

What a fraud and a filthy government rat. He "gave his information to the American public?" Where is that information? Less than 1% of that purported information has ever been released and even that less than 1% is not available to be accessed and reviewed.
11   richwicks   2022 Apr 28, 2:28pm  

Dissident says
What a fraud and a filthy government rat. He "gave his information to the American public?" Where is that information? Less than 1% of that purported information has ever been released and even that less than 1% is not available to be accessed and reviewed.


Glenn Greenwald has it all. That's what made Greenwald famous.

Everything you write online can (and probably is) intercepted. It may be encrypted, but it's stored for a period of time.
12   Dissident   2022 Apr 28, 3:42pm  

Everything I write online is certainly being intercepted.

But what does it have to do with my comment?
I believe that both Snowden and Greenwald are frauds.

He did not give any documents to the American public and he should stop claiming that he did.
13   richwicks   2022 Apr 28, 4:41pm  

Dissident says
But what does it have to do with my comment?
I believe that both Snowden and Greenwald are frauds.


They might be, but at least they have demonstrated government criminality. They can TELL you about it, but you just go "ho hum", it's not their fault. I don't see Snowden or Greenwald as having done anything wrong yet, there should have been an uproar over what the NSA and CIA were doing, and people should have gone to jail.

But we're a criminal oligarchy.

Dissident says
He did not give any documents to the American public and he should stop claiming that he did.


You can get them if you look:

https://www.cjfe.org/snowden?source=patrick.net

You can get them through bit-torrent as well.

Parts are redacted. This is common to prevent information that should be classified from being declassified. Wikileaks does the same thing, they always talk to the State Department before they release information. The aim is to expose government malfeasance, not hurt their defense measures.
14   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2022 Apr 28, 4:47pm  

Patrick says






Exactly that, he told us what our shitty government did behind our back in our name... how our government went crazy to SPY ON US. And somehow media made him the enemy. This is absurdity. Ruling class, billionaires, they have so much control over our lives it's insane.

Snowden, and Assange... their crime was telling us the people the dirty shit government pulled against us. We are living in dictatorship.
15   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2022 Apr 28, 4:48pm  

Dissident says
Everything I write online is certainly being intercepted.

But what does it have to do with my comment?
I believe that both Snowden and Greenwald are frauds.

He did not give any documents to the American public and he should stop claiming that he did.


he did, it was published, its how we found out about NSA spying on all of us. Fucking Bush cronies tracked him down, so he fled. He was lucky enough to flee the swamp regime.
17   richwicks   2022 Apr 29, 1:42am  

Patrick says
True, Snowden showed lots of good docs proving that the NSA treats us like shit:

https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/291965-new-snowden-docs-provide-proof-nsa-leak-is-authentic/?source=patrick.net


The solution is in computer hardware and protocols. It's not asking the criminals to stop being criminals because they aren't going to do that.
18   AmericanKulak   2022 Apr 29, 1:55am  

Never forget, they thought that 56-bit encryption was overkill.
19   richwicks   2022 Apr 29, 2:02am  

AmericanKulak says
Never forget, they thought that 56-bit encryption was overkill.


We have 256 bit encryption now, and if I were to implement my own encryption, and keep it secret, it's impossible to break. We can do one time encryption now - basically, I could give you an SD card filled with random data, and have my own copy with the same random data, and just use XOR to send data using each byte ONCE.

That's impossible to crack. It's $33 to buy a 256GB SD Card now! That's like 100 films that are stored in quality that is high enough to present in a movie theater! IT'S CRAZY!

Remember those old James Bond films with the microfiche and so on? I could smuggle the entire plans of the Manhattin project up my asshole, for $10 and make a profit!
20   Dissident   2022 Apr 29, 11:03am  

"he did, it was published, its how we found out about NSA spying on all of us... cronies tracked him down, so he fled. He was lucky enough to flee the swamp regime."

I understand that it is an official narrative. I said I am not buying it.

Where are the actual documents that were purportedly published? Did you examine them? Can I examine them? Because they are not available anywhere online.

Less than 1% had ever been released: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-25205846?source=patrick.net

I cannot believe that anyone still believes that bizarre story that he "fled" and although he is (purportedly) wanted for treason and apparently (according to the narrative) will be sentenced to death in the US, he is being "protected" by Russia? And why Assange is being extradited for arguably much lesser "crime" (not a crime at all)?
21   richwicks   2022 Jun 7, 4:09am  

Dissident says

Where are the actual documents that were purportedly published? Did you examine them? Can I examine them? Because they are not available anywhere online.



They are all digital. At one point you could download them via bit-torrent - they were redacted, that's the point of going to a reporter. They're probably floating around still.

Dissident says

Less than 1% had ever been released: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-25205846?source=patrick.net



Yes, this wouldn't be surprising. He might have just brought in a 256 GB memory stick, and grabbed everything. You have any idea how much text that is? That's more books than the NY Library.

richwicks says

I cannot believe that anyone still believes that bizarre story that he "fled" and although he is (purportedly) wanted for treason and apparently (according to the narrative) will be sentenced to death in the US, he is being "protected" by Russia? And why Assange is being extradited for arguably much lesser "crime" (not a crime at all)?


He was headed to Hong Kong and his passport was revoked when he was in Russia.

It's not outside the possibility that Snowden is deep cover CIA - he did previously work for them. One hypothesis is that he had a mission to discredit the NSA, the CIA was (still is) doing the same thing but Snowden never blew the whistle on them.
22   Rin   2022 Jun 7, 8:15am  

richwicks says

I really don't respect people that use Facebook.


I have absolutely zero social media accounts. I see no purpose in them.
23   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2022 Jun 9, 1:21pm  

Rin says

richwicks says


I really don't respect people that use Facebook.


I have absolutely zero social media accounts. I see no purpose in them.


Their purpose is to sell government propaganda. I learned that from all the government leaks, when important those things get weaponized hard with all sorts of narratives and bot accounts, and that's on top of censorship.

Since I'm not a willing participant in that, I don't use any social media either. Never saw any value in it. There's more value in reading patrick.net, here we are a small group, we talk investment and shoot shit around, way more fun. Without any government snooping on us or constant censorship by Facebooks nonbinary staff.
28   PeopleUnited   2022 Dec 16, 8:07pm  

Patrick says






When the FBI deliberately attempts to hide the Biden crimes, rather than investigating and handing over evidence for prosecution, the FBI has become the KGB. We don’t have a national law enforcement agency, we have a government that operates like organized crime/cartels. Add to that open borders and sending arms to Ukraine while attempting to disarm our own citizens and we clearly have a government that is opposed to the best interests, liberty and security of the citizens. When will the citizens realize this and reclaim their Republic?
29   RWSGFY   2023 Feb 19, 10:43am  

So whose credibility was instrumentalized as part of one of these disinformation campaigns?


30   Patrick   2023 Jul 11, 2:24pm  

https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/edward-snowden-at-web3-summit-2019


Edward Snowden at Web3 Summit 2019
Prescient predictions about the censorship to come during the COVIDcrisis
31   fdhfoiehfeoi   2024 Apr 16, 10:37am  

If they weren't already spying on everything you do, they will if this goes through...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/nsa-just-days-away-taking-over-internet-warns-ed-snowden

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