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Patrick says

The taxes to support all that dead weight are also a massive drag on the country.

Sure and then you're cutting tax revenue from millions of W-2 employees that worked for the government. Very few of those cuts are going to get good paying jobs in the private sector to make up what they were paying the IRS. And yes I get many are do nothing jobs.

That would be like the green energy people saying when I get in office 50% of our energy will be renewable in 2 years. It's simply not possible. Even the "mandates" in CA for electric cars, isn't it like 2035 or something? Even that's still not realistic but at least it's not totally retarded.

It's a big IF, but if he could do a 50% reduction it would absolutely decimate and destroy our country. I have no doubt about it. Reductions need to be slow. One, so as to not cause panic and two, to allow those people to transition to the public sector jobs and tax revenue is minimally effected. I'd say 1% a year and make it like electric cars. Our goal is to reduce government payroll by 50% by 2045 or something.

I think the first three points are actually doable and wouldn't effect the economy. The 50% thing is just pure stupidity on a level I've never seen if I'm being honest. I don't know the numbers but say 10M people lose their jobs. Most of those jobs actually pay taxes because they're making $40k plus. GDP and tax revenue would be done. Then the domino effect hits and thousands of industries and millions more lose their jobs.

Fact is even if he changes his tune, he literally lost probably 10-20M voters before any primary and is not a viable candidate with the 50% thing. Not that "my" guy has to win, but that's not a winning pony in a general election.

Sorry Wookie but you’re wrong. These Federal employees are a huge drag on the economy. Besides producing nothing of value and being financed by our tax dollars, they also are generally involved in activities that place hurdles in front of people actually trying to be productive.

If you fired 50%, half of them would find jobs being actually productive and stop being a drag on the economy. The other half might go on welfare, but that’s what they are on now, and at least they no longer are making life miserable for actually productive citizens.

WookieMan says

Sure and then you're cutting tax revenue from millions of W-2 employees that worked for the government. Very few of those cuts are going to get good paying jobs in the private sector to make up what they were paying the IRS. And yes I get many are do nothing jobs.

That would be like the green energy people saying when I get in office 50% of our energy will be renewable in 2 years. It's simply not possible. Even the "mandates" in CA for electric cars, isn't it like 20 (some text omitted to shorten quote...) now the numbers but say 10M people lose their jobs. Most of those jobs actually pay taxes because they're making $40k plus. GDP and tax revenue would be done. Then the domino effect hits and thousands of industries and millions more lose their jobs.

Fact is even if he changes his tune, he literally lost probably 10-20M voters before any primary and is not a viable candidate with the 50% thing. Not that "my" guy has to win, but that's not a winning pony in a general election.

Wookieman, when you say you don’t know the numbers, you’re right. According to multiple sources I checked, there are about 2.85 million US Federal employees. We’re not talking about nearly as big of a reduction as you proposed it may be. We should work on doing this as many of the US fed gov agencies should not even exist, there is no basis in the constitution for them to exist and many are duplicative. The states can pick up what actually may need to be done that the Fed Government dissolves.

Also, I disagree, CA moving to 100% only EV passenger vehicles for sale is absolutely undo able, and most definitely Full Retard.

Beware of any politician that makes promises that he can't possibly keep, and does so repeatedly.

Ramaswamy just might be the establishment's propped up creation in order to take the wind out of Trump's sails.

I think you're probably right.

Ramaswamy is promising things that expect he has absolutely zero intention of following through on.

Trump did the same thing with respect to the swamp. He failed to drain it.

pudil says

Sorry Wookie but you’re wrong. These Federal employees are a huge drag on the economy. Besides producing nothing of value and being financed by our tax dollars, they also are generally involved in activities that place hurdles in front of people actually trying to be productive.

I don't like big government. You understand though that it's a ponzi scheme that needs to keep going, right? They're not going to get private sector jobs that replace the federal tax revenue they paid into.

So take 500k federal employees paying say $10k/yr in federal taxes. Erase that. What jobs are they going to get? If they're do nothing jobs what intelligent private employer would hire them? Cutting 50% isn't as easy as you think without causing a massive depression. Not recession.

He might have other good ideas, but this is by far the most retarded thing I've heard proposed. It's like saying let's just cut 50% of spending and balance the budget tomorrow. I hate the spending and the waste, but retarded propositions need to be called out for the sake of "buying" votes to the suckers. You can like him, but he'll never be elected with that name either.

Patrick says

Trump did the same thing with respect to the swamp. He failed to drain it.

He at least showed how fucking deep it is.

WookieMan says

So take 500k federal employees paying say $10k/yr in federal taxes. Erase that. What jobs are they going to get? If they're do nothing jobs what intelligent private employer would hire them? Cutting 50% isn't as easy as you think without causing a massive depression. Not recession.

Record Baby boomer retirements right now.

A great time simply to NOT replace them in government jobs.

Couldn't be a better or easier time to cut the fedgov at least 10-20%

WookieMan says

So take 500k federal employees paying say $10k/yr in federal taxes.

You would save $100k in payouts to make up for each $10k in "lost revenue."

richwicks says

Patrick says

Trump did the same thing with respect to the swamp. He failed to drain it.

He at least showed how fucking deep it is.

That's the thing. You can't propose things that can't be accomplished realistically. That's why Trump said "drain the swamp." It's generally not quantifiable by any metric. Saying you're going to cut 50% of the Federal government is a flat out lie and not possible. Trump scratched the surface and made certain people aware of the BS going on. Now there are at least eyes on it.

He failed with Covid and not firing Fauci, but there's probably a shit ton more to all that. I wouldn't be surprised if Trumps life was threatened. His demeanor dramatically changed during that time outside of answering reporters questions. Either way if you're a serious contender in a primary you can't make ridiculous claims that aren't possible. Some people didn't learn from Trump. This guys boat already has a leak and it's not serious primary season.

AmericanKulak says

Couldn't be a better or easier time to cut the fedgov at least 10-20%

This is more realistic, but it would still take a decade.

HeadSet says

You would save $100k in payouts to make up for each $10k in "lost revenue."

I'm just talking federal taxes. Sales taxes. State income taxes. Investments. It's a domino effect. You go out to eat less. Don't travel. Stay at hotels. Guess what, they lose 10-20% of their work force that then spends less. You have to cut government slowly. I get it's wasteful, but you'll cause a depression cutting it 50%. It's a retarded claim.

WookieMan says

I'm just talking federal taxes. Sales taxes. State income taxes. Investments. It's a domino effect. You go out to eat less. Don't travel. Stay at hotels. Guess what, they lose 10-20% of their work force that then spends less. You have to cut government slowly. I get it's wasteful, but you'll cause a depression cutting it 50%. It's a retarded claim.

Annual multiple trillion dollar deficits are unsustainable.

0% growth over a decade would do a lot. Every budget frozen, regardless of inflation.

Very important that we prepare for the end of the dollar printing machine, or the shock will be instant and horrible, much worse than 0% budget increases or cutting 20% of gov employees overnight.

It'll have wonderful effects through the system, like McMansions will go unsold and future building will be more modest.

AmericanKulak says

It'll have wonderful effects through the system, like McMansions will go unsold and future building will be more modest.

I used to have a graph of the United States debt valued in gold from 1900 to 2017.

When we correct, it's going to be Weimar.

Basically, an ounce of gold will be around 1 billionth of the debt if it repeats, and only for a short period of time, and it's done it 3 times. That means, like $30,000 today. It was $800 in 1980 and the debt was 800 billion. You're going to be able to buy a house for what seems like nothing, but the taxes on it will be tremendous, and food will be terribly expensive. Most everybody will be destitute, and will be selling homes and cars just to eat, but they won't be selling them in terms of dollars. It will be chaos.

richwicks says

When we correct, it's going to be Weimar.

Worse, because Weimar was a calculated patriotic move to get out of WW1 debt.

This will be the Globalists dumping their shit on the whole country unplanned.

https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship-resource-center/civics-test-2020-version/128-civics-questions-and-answers-with-mp3-audio-2020-version

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/07/vivek_ramaswamys_soros_connection.html

In 2011, Ramaswamy was the beneficiary of the Soros Fellowship, which was used help cover the costs at Yale for a future law degree.

His connection to anything Soros related raises serious red flags, especially with Ramaswamy never bringing up that connection. ...

https://www.pdsoros.org/news-events/2020-03-18-paul-daisy-soros-fellow-vivek-ramaswamy-s-roivant-sciences-develops-clincical-stage-antibody-to-prevent-and-treat-acute-respiratory-distress-syndrome-ards-in-patients-with-covid-19

richwicks says

When we correct,

Well said, when, not if.

The chickens care coming home to roost. And great will be the fall of this Republic.

He's getting traction. I would put his chances at better than Ron Pauls' in 2008. No one had heard of Ron Paul (who was a sitting congressman) until the first Republican debate. He became a movement. A real populist who created the real tea party before it was taken over by the neocon's.

That's not to say Vivek has any kind of chance. We'll see what happens to his stock if the RNC ever gets a debate put together.

Right now he has my passive support, but I'm not blowing thousands again on a lost cost (see Ron Paul campaign).

Check out the Vivek/ Tucker Carlson Interview at Turning Point Action :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvgx05yuCa8

https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/news-below-the-fold

VIVIK RAMASWAMY: ‘Most Republicans favor reform. I favor revolution. Any politician who says they’re going to “fix” the deep state is delusional. The only solution is to shut it down. We require a President who knows exactly how to do it on strong legal & authority. I will lay out detailed shutdown plans for the FBI, Department of Education, and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.’

Yes, this!

PeopleUnited says

The chickens care coming home to roost. And great will be the fall of this Republic.

The Republic is already dead. We need to restore it.

Apparently you cannot appeal to reason, morality, or anything. People need to suffer to get off their asses. The MIC has bankrupted this nation in collusion with the banking system.

https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-announces-he-will-make-vivek-ramaswamy-head-of-tech-support-in-next-administration

Patrick says

https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-announces-he-will-make-vivek-ramaswamy-head-of-tech-support-in-next-administration

Yeah. Bee has it nailed.

Just saw an interview of him.

He's unelectable. Too professorial, even worse than Al Gore was.

richwicks says

PeopleUnited says

The chickens care coming home to roost. And great will be the fall of this Republic.

The Republic is already dead. We need to restore it.

Apparently you cannot appeal to reason, morality, or anything. People need to suffer to get off their asses. The MIC has bankrupted this nation in collusion with the banking system.

No it is not dead. There are at least two reasons this Republic still exists. 1. People believe in it. 2. The framework is there. The Republic does need rebuilding but it will never be rebuilt without the Constitution as a framework and it will never be rebuilt if people stop believing in it.

The problem is that less and less people believe in it every day, and more and more people want to tear down the Constitutional framework. So we are headed towards destruction unless these tides can be turned.

Iowa isn't exactly the Rap Capital of the World, but apparently Ramaswamy thinks it is. I hate this kind of mindless pandering from politicians. The more I see, the more Ramaswamy reminds me of Beto O'Rourke.

Watch: Vivek Ramaswamy Raps Eminem’s ‘Lose Yourself’ at Iowa State Fair

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/08/12/vivek-ramaswamy-raps-eminem-iowa-state-fair/

RayAmerica says

Iowa isn't exactly the Rap Capital of the World, but apparently Ramaswamy thinks it is. I hate this kind of mindless pandering from politicians. The more I see, the more Ramaswamy reminds me of Beto O'Rourke.

Watch: Vivek Ramaswamy Raps Eminem’s ‘Lose Yourself’ at Iowa State Fair

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/08/12/vivek-ramaswamy-raps-eminem-iowa-state-fair/

But he actually did a decent job. Why not? Better than yurtle the turtle freezing out on the mic while leading the US into uniparty disaster

mell says

But he actually did a decent job. Why not? Better than yurtle the turtle freezing out on the mic while leading the US into uniparty disaster

Somehow, I can't imagine anyone with a degree of class doing this.

PeopleUnited says

The problem is that less and less people believe in it every day, and more and more people want to tear down the Constitutional framework. So we are headed towards destruction unless these tides can be turned.

No, the problem is "there's nothing wrong", that's what you are saying, isn't it?

If you don't recognize a problem, you won't fix it. People are in denial, and have been for my entire adult life.

We have a president that wasn't elected who is selling bribed by having his son refrigerator art and you insist the republic isn't dead. It's dead. Our military knows, our FBI knows, our DOJ knows, the Congress knows, the PUBLIC knows. It's fucking dead but as long as people play fucking pretend and ignore it, and cover their eyes, and ears and scream lalala I can't hear you, it won't be fixed.

Stop denying the reality.

if he’s the nomination i’m out.

So far with everything he has said I like Vivek. He got into politics after having to deal with woke shit running his company. His only challenge will be getting people to look past his name and that his parents are from India.

RC2006 says

So far with everything he has said I like Vivek. He got into politics after having to deal with woke shit running his company. His only challenge will be getting people to look past his name and that his parents are from India.

The democrats aren't going to allow a "person of color" to run, it would destroy the "republicans are racist" narrative.

Vivek said he would strongly consider pardoning Hunter Biden.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/gop-2024-candidate-vivek-ramaswamy-open-to-pardon-of-hunter-biden/ar-AA1fbpuo

WookieMan says

We'd see the worst recession of anyones lifetime outside of someone that was 5 during the great depression. Government is bloated, but this is frankly one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard of. Guess what happens 40% of restaurant close. 50% of those suppliers close. 20% of truck drivers lose their jobs. The chain reaction would be devastating.

You'd rather be a slave the the political class?

WookieMan says

So take 500k federal employees paying say $10k/yr in federal taxes. Erase that.

A wopping $5 billion.

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1690884152856326145

at this point i just want to create a christian califate, because nothing short of that will put that faggot genie in the bottle. alphabet people are fucking insane, sick perverted dumbasses. wood chipper.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

at this point i just want to create a christian califate, because nothing short of that will put that faggot genie in the bottle. alphabet people are fucking insane, sick perverted dumbasses. wood chipper.

No, we just get people to recognize corruption and criminality, and deal with it.

The problem we face, is our government are the biggest criminals.

https://sashastone.substack.com/p/episode-17-vivek-ramaswamy-and-tucker

Wow, at 34 minutes in, Ramaswamy really starts to knock them out of the park!

I think he really hit on something when he points out that the religion of wokeness/climate/lgbtqwtfbbq is a symptom of deep void in people. They are lost and don't know where to turn, and this is something they can turn to, even if self-contradictory and harmful.

The right answer is to give them an affirmative vision of the future based on family and nation, drawing from the founding principles of the US.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

at this point i just want to create a christian califate, because nothing short of that will put that faggot genie in the bottle. alphabet people are fucking insane, sick perverted dumbasses. wood chipper.

@FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden One way to look at is like Ramaswamy says in the interview in the comment above.

Those people lost sheep. They desperately need a positive vision of the future.

But you know, I still have not heard even one presidential candidate talk about the harm that the Federal Reserve does and why it should be disbanded.

Patrick says

But you know, I still have not heard even one presidential candidate talk about the harm that the Federal Reserve does and why it should be disbanded.

Ron Paul did.