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If it's a cool looking plant then fine, but I wouldn't consume any of it in any form. I smoked cigarettes on and off till I was 32(ish). I don't want anything tobacco related in my life again. I know that was processed with other crap, but I just don't think it's a path worth going down. Anything that gives you a buzz opens the gate to addiction, even just chewing on a leaf.

Tobacco is the main reason I never have tried cocaine. I also know a few people personally that have died from it. Some was probably laced with something else. It's also the reason I don't take pain pills. Doctors are the biggest drug dealers on the planet.

Have fun with it, but I'd avoid consumption.

just_passing_through says

Because tobacco grows and seeds so quickly and prolifically it's one of the main plants used for genetic experimentation.

I think mustard is another if I recall.

just_passing_through says

just_passing_through says

Because tobacco grows and seeds so quickly and prolifically it's one of the main plants used for genetic experimentation.

I think mustard is another if I recall.

Yep grows everywhere and has quite pretty yellow flowers

WookieMan says

Doctors are the biggest drug dealers on the planet.

This is clearly true. They get paid kickbacks to push various drugs.

Well, it's been just over a week but I don't see any sprout of any kind. Maybe it's really bad dirt. Or maybe the tobacco seeds are inactive for some reason.

Did they take the covid "vaccine"?

It may take longer than two weeks: https://www.trueleafmarket.com/pages/how-to-start-tobacco-seeds

Thanks, I see "Days to Germination: 7-14 days"

The previous site I looked at said 7 to 10 days.

If there's nothing in another two weeks, I'll give up.

Down lower it says "About 7 to 14 days".

I've had to wait up to a month for small seed plants to sprout.

C'mon Chewie! You! Can! Doit!

Patrick says

Thanks, I see "Days to Germination: 7-14 days"

The previous site I looked at said 7 to 10 days.

If there's nothing in another two weeks, I'll give up.

You might just want to write a friendly letter to a tobacco farmer. Seriously.

Now there are two very tiny sprouts. Not sure they are what I planted, but maybe.

It's been almost two weeks since planting, and now I have four sprouts. This is the largest of them:



Since they all look like the same plant, I'm pretty sure they are all tobacco. They seem incredibly tiny and fragile, so I'm not going to put them in direct sun yet. They look like they could get dried out in a few minutes with the sun around here.

Ah, I may have the ornamental species Nicotiana sylvestris instead of Nicotiana tabacum, going by flower appearance of the plant where I got the seeds.

Sylvestris flowers:



Tabacum flowers:



Both have nicotine.

They Sylvestris look like Datura, highly poisonous. I think that's what put sleeping beauty to sleep?

Anyhow, they aren't Datura so..

It should be pretty clear in a week or two.

I meant the flowers..

Poppies are also legal to grow, for ornamentation.

Similar seeds to what Pat shows and those DO take at least a month to sprout. You've got to toss them in your freezer for a month or so too first.

Datura leaves look quite different from tobacco to me:

Right, I was commenting about how Datura (there are many types) flowers look similar to the Sylvestris flowers you show above.

@just_passing_through Yes, thanks for the warning. Would be bad to try the wrong plant.

Oh, lol, not a warning at all. I'm sure you know what you're doing. Just a curiosity is all.

Maybe this will help:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5oLF-TiE6I

Oh, so they ARE related (all nightshades):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N9QWt1bIR8

just_passing_through says

Oh, so they ARE related (all nightshades):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N9QWt1bIR8

Potatoes are nightshades. It's a huge class of plants.

richwicks says

Potatoes are nightshades. It's a huge class of plants.

Indeed and a lot of them are poisonous, including potatoes if you eat them at the wrong time. Never eat a green potato:

POTATO TOXICITY...
Potatoes contain toxic compounds known as glycoalkaloids, of which the most prevalent are solanine and chaconine.

Solanine is also found in other plants in the family Solanaceae, which includes such plants as the deadly nightshade (Atropa belladonna), henbane (Hyoscyamus niger) and tobacco (Nicotiana) as well as the potato, eggplant, and tomato.

This toxin affects the nervous system, causing weakness and confusion.

These compounds are generally concentrated in its leaves, stems, sprouts, and fruits.

Exposure to light, physical damage, and age increase glycoalkaloid content within the tuber; the highest concentrations occur just underneath the skin.

Cooking partly destroys them. The concentration of glycoalkaloid in wild potatoes suffices to produce toxic effects in humans.

Glycoalkaloids may cause headaches, diarrhea, cramps, and in severe cases coma and death; however, poisoning from potatoes occurs very rarely.

The U.S. National Toxicology Program suggests that the average American consumes at most 12.5 mg/day of solanine from potatoes (the toxic dose is several times this, depending on body weight).

Only one survivor from a family that were poisoned by potato "fumes" in their root cellar:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2409920/Russian-girl-8--orphaned-ENTIRE-family-wiped-deadly-gas-caused-rotting-potatoes-cellar.html

When the new world was discovered they called the tomato, "The Wolf Peach". Doctors described all manner of awful things that would happen to you if you ate a tomato. I can't find it right now but one doc said it would invert all of your internal organs basically then they'd leak out you end. Some really crazy stuff.

https://www.timesleader.com/archive/399851/news-731266-the-wolf-peach-was-once-thought-to-be-poinsonous

Supposedly someone tried to poison Abraham Lincoln with a tomato. Not sure it's true, but might be.

Now first sprout has died for no apparent reason, but there are many more smaller sprouts.

All the nightshades have all kinds of Alkaloid chemicals. Tobacco, Tomatoes, Eggplants, Peppers... all the same family of Nightshades or Solanaceae in Latin.

Never spray tobacco juice on tomato plants. While great to keep harmful bugs and fungus down on other plants, it can spread tomato rot.

Now it's been more than 5 weeks, and I have lots of little seedlings, and a few large ones.

This is confusing, same situation in the other container. I suppose the large seedlings could be a completely different plant that happened to be in the dirt I used.

None of them are growing very quickly. I put them out in a place they get the morning sun for energy without getting scorched in the middle of the day.

I thought all of my tobacco seedling had died, but my wife pointed out a few that are still alive:

The two that lived are still doing well.

You just have to plant a shit ton. Natural selection will choose the one or two that can survive in the designated environment. After that, it's just patience - collect the seeds, reseed, further optimize for location. Pretty soon, it's bursting out everywhere.

This works also with animals. In TX, we were besieged by fire ants. I found out about parasitic nematodes that preyed on insects. I had to spread eggs and keep the lawn moist for the first 2 years - I think I bought about 200,000,000 eggs (they're relatively cheap, unlike mantises). Finally, a portion learned how to survive in the lawn. I was ant-free from then on.

This only works down south, where there's little to no freezing. It's not practical anywhere else.

I also stole two leaves from the mother plant nearby after gardeners had whacked it. I figured they weren't worried about losing a few leaves if they already threw away half the plant. Then I dried the two leaves by hanging them from clothespins.

I burned a bit of one leaf yesterday, and it did indeed smell like tobacco, even though it's an ornamental variety and not the normal cigarette variety.

stereotomy says

This works also with animals. In TX, we were besieged by fire ants. I found out about parasitic nematodes that preyed on insects. I had to spread eggs and keep the lawn moist for the first 2 years - I think I bought about 200,000,000 eggs (they're relatively cheap, unlike mantises). Finally, a portion learned how to survive in the lawn. I was ant-free from then on.

This only works down south, where there's little to no freezing. It's not practical anywhere else.

I wanted to do the same for snails but the one company that markets the correct nematodes didn't have any this past year.

SoTex says

I wanted to do the same for snails but the one company that markets the correct nematodes didn't have any this past year.

You probably use the same place I did for the nematodes.

I moved and don't have the snail problems anymore. Skunks, raccoons, deer, now though. Walked onto my deck last night at 9:10PM and I was about 8ft from a trapped skunk. I backed away slowly.

Four raccoons have been drinking water out of some plant saucers. Good thing I noticed because I'm about to apply a pesticide soil drench. So maybe I'll removed the saucers for now and get the coons a dog bowl or something.

Oh, and a pack of 4 dogs last night in my back yard. This rental just has a short rod iron fence.

I just unpacked and installed some cameras out back this week.