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Shaman says

2)a conspiracy to kill and evict Lahaina indigenous people to steal their land is hiding behind the massive incompetence of government officials.

Could still be true! But if so via incompetence and downed powerline failures.

NuttBoxer says

RWSGFY says

Exterior waterproofing. Doh!

It could work as a definite proof that Schwab is planning to drown everybody in Lahaina though.

What it shows is evidence that some people may have had advance warning, while others had none. And that it was more than grass and stucco that saved that resort. Coincidence, again, really? I think not...

In what universe a notice about some waterproofing work being done on a condo exterior serves as an advance warning for wildfires? No, seriously, were these people supposed to figure this out from an e-mail or was it hand-delivered with a wink? And why such a warning was needed if the condo was designated by Schwab to be spared from the fire?

I like me a good conspiracy theory but it needs to be consistent enough to not insult my intelligence.

There won't be any dry grass if sugarcane plantations were still operating. And before there was sugarcane the place was a literal fucking swamp. The land needs to be managed. No different from California forests: mismanage them via 100% fire suppression for 100 years and you'll eventually have unstoppable forest fires. No need for any conspiracy when you have stupidity and laziness.

Uh, Oh! Guess that power line patsy angle needs a little touching up. The power line ploy was good for the 'comforting blue pill' denialists for a while. One would imagine Hawaiian Electric has the records to prove their position. However, this will sink out of sight along with the lawsuit because the Globalists will never let this one get into discovery. Don't generate a myth that can't survive immediate scrutiny.
Does this mean the officials aren't just incompetent, they are incompetent at false flags? Somebody is going to get Stalin'd over this one.

https://t.me/gatewaypunditofficial/34863

LOL! Hawaiian Electric: "We did our part. We pulled down some power lines around town to support the false flag, and now you go and sue us over it? Guess what, we turned off the power to the lines, too! Is there no honor amongst genocidal Globalists and their installed governments?"

Government officials: "Who is the guy who was supposed to falsify the electric company records? I want him in my office, NOW!"

RWSGFY says

I like me a good conspiracy theory but it needs to be consistent enough to not insult my intelligence.

These people are super into preparation. I would not put it past them to have planned this a year in advance. When did they get the Las Vegas police chief? I find it interesting that the fire proofing was scheduled to wrap up right before the fires started, and that the page has been removed, so you have to look at the archive to see it was even done. This is just one example, but if we agree some people knew and therefore had advance warning, why not resort owners?

Regardless of the details we can say with certainty that the government created a situation where people would die. It was premeditated. It was murder.

The missing children may have been abducted rather than burned. There's still some question that they were sent home FROM school, in which case they could have been shuttled away while the parents were either working or unsuspecting. It's what they DON'T DO. Like, explaining the fate of 2000 missing kids.

NuttBoxer says

Regardless of the details we can say with certainty that the government created a situation where people would die. It was premeditated. It was murder.

Government created? Sure. Premeditated? Yuuuge stretch. When did the planning start: was it when trees were replaced with sugarcane? Or when sugarcane was allowed to die and be replaced by non-native grass? Are you sure our government even capable of such long plannig horizons? And all for what - to take Lahaina from residents who weren't wven there back then? They could've taken it all at the time sugarcane plantations were being started in the area.

If it's not premeditated, I would love for a data scientist to calculate the odds of things going down exactly like they did. Gotta be astronomical. This is the point a lot of normies just can't get over though. Facing the reality that there is evil in the world, and it is just as organized and driven as the good side. Same stumbling block comes up for the Scamdemic, all wars we've engaged in, 9/11. Epstein was the only one where people just accepted it, strange..

Now government is walling off the fire zone and intimidating people who attempt to visit their land. Now if it's really just coincidence, or bad policy with no malice aforethought, why hide what you're doing? Simplest explanation there's enough evidence to try people for murder, and cause enough outrage to send a mob their way.

Speaking of 'walling off' one thing that has occurred to me is that Lahaina is the only real population center for the whole coastline past the Olowalu tunnel. I don't think there is easy access other than through the tunnel and that 20 miles of coast will have trouble supporting any population if rebuilding is very slow. It is easy to imagine it as an easy area to isolate and secure.

Vid is too long for Pnet, but claims he is a long term resident of Maui, knows lots of people, and that armed pontoons pulled up to Lahaina dock, soldiers with special forces patches started arresting 'police' who had been cordoning off Lahaina, took away their guns and said these 'police' were being arrested for treason, and started forcing the distribution of food, water and aid that was sitting there but held up and not distributed. One would hopium. The all seeing eye of Christine tends to be reliable.
Gossip until confirmed.

The precious blue pill comfort blanket gone, gone! They shouldn't have tried to make Hawaiian Electric the patsy?

Is there a verification for this?



See https://twitter.com/ImMeme0/status/1697988053455843467

The_Deplorable says

Is there a verification for this?



See https://twitter.com/ImMeme0/status/1697988053455843467

Wait, how did they escape Mariupol? Weren't they all captured along with 8 NATO generals there?

The_Deplorable says

Is there a verification for this?

I really don't know. Lots of 'rumors' of skirmishes and even gunfire, but mostly gossip girl since there is a rock solid MSM wall of silence, and any info sneaks out through alternative media, some of which is always a bit hysterical dramaturgy.

Thing is, how is it that that many kids could just disappear from the radar? I imagine some bogus pathologist will claim that scraps of remains are DNA correlated. I think it is more likely that many were kidnapped when they were 'kept home' since Red Cross was johnny on the spot at the time of the fires. The Globalists wouldn't just want to kill the parents and destroy their property, they would want to eliminate the pesky heirs, too, while getting a trafficking bonus.

In case nobody noticed, the Globalists like to do a lot of multi tasking during their capers.

The_Deplorable says

Is there a verification for this?

No. Only thing I've heard about military that could be true, is deploying them around the burn area to keep people out.

30% of the flight logs for Maui on 8/8 were scrubbed
No fly zone a week after the fire to "fight the fire"
Military and FBI guarding miles of fence and large boulders that cost $3,000,000 to construct
Only 25% of the burn zone has been searched
People not allowed to stop near overpass in area that gives them clear view of burn area
People arrested for jumping fence to get to their home
People had to get permission from FBI to leave crosses outside fence
2,000 children missing according to Maui government figures.

Don't believe anything I just said, watch the video, follow the links, verify for yourself. Because your hometown might be next...


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NuttBoxer says

Don't believe anything I just said, watch the video, follow the links, verify for yourself. Because your hometown might be next...

The link to the sources is here:

https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/shelby-thomson-interview-8-30-23/

NuttBoxer says

Don't believe anything I just said, watch the video, follow the links, verify for yourself. Because your hometown might be next...

So it is Chinese or foreign military laser or directed energy weapons that were involved with the Maui fires ?

Please don't tell me this is Dr Evil as in some illuminati or new world order effort to kill off the population.

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ad says

So it is Chinese or foreign military laser or directed energy weapons that were involved with the Maui fires ?

Nobody knows, it's all speculation.

What's clear is that the water was turned off, and residents were prevented from leaving, no sirens were used, the emergency system wasn't used, parents were prevented from entering to save their kids.

Fuck the government.

ad says

Please don't tell me this is Dr Evil as in some illuminati or new world order effort to kill off the population.

This Dr Evil and an Illuminati, NWO effort to kill off the population.

Could be that nations who have various weather weapons and DEWs and HAARPs are testing each other out. Some have pointed out that China was surveying Hawaii with lasers just prior to Lahaina, and they have been suffering incredible flooding (HAARP from somewhere else?) and might have been flexing some muscle to show that they have remote control toys, too.
Or, they just accepted dough to do the dirty deed for the Rothschild/Rockefeller etc. as a contract job.

Ceffer says

Some have pointed out that China was surveying Hawaii with lasers

good point Ceff... even Newsweek and Popular Mechanics pointed this out ...the articles can be found via a keyword search for China green laser Hawaii ... can't easily memory hole or CERN Mandela Effect that ...its too late for such an important fact and non trivial event...

if this is the case, I wonder if anyone in the US federal government knows about this based on intel reports (i.e., from Pentagon satellite data, etc.) and who knows this ... I suspect they probably are trying to ensure this is tightly compartmentalized and not even Birdbrain Biden (and his national security advisor) knows

https://www.newsweek.com/mysterious-green-lasers-hawaii-chinese-satellite-nasa-1780468

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richwicks says

What's clear is that the water was turned off, and residents were prevented from leaving, no sirens were used, the emergency system wasn't used, parents were prevented from entering to save their kids.

Yeah, you would think police would be going thru neighborhoods sounding warnings but I guess there was not enough time for this

if it was a laser attack by a Chicom satellite then they would hit a nearby field that has no homes around to make it look like a natural forest fire ... and you don't want witnesses around if the laser is easily detectable by sight

Right now its 115 confirmed dead, and 385 missing

I read about some children being alone at home and dying in the fire

I agree it was a tragedy of many errors. And now the lawsuits have started.

"The father of 57-year-old Rebecca Rans filed the complaint Tuesday in the Second Circuit Court of Hawaii. It alleges Maui County, the state of Hawaii, the electric utility and a large landowner caused the fire that led to Rans’ death."

For those who want some interesting 'smoking gun' DEW stuff, the guy Steve Favis (stevefavis.com) is a scientist/programmer who used open source NORAD tracking data and 'reverse propagating' code to discover two Chinese satellite right over Maui with a 'firing window' of 40 minutes or so. He also computes typical Chinese payloads and energy requirements that need to be packed into those payloads, and it all correlates. He also discusses the targeting abilities of such satellites to program the firing patterns to the targets and the time and areas that could be covered.
For those 'Juan O Savin' haters, he called this stuff already a couple of weeks ago, saying it was a potential 'Pearl Harbor' type incident with perhaps Chinese flexing their DEW muscles, also describing the requirements for this kind of satellite intervention i.e. speed, altitude, etc. He said the fire spread over a mile in a second. He also said the military would know instantaneously from spectral signatures what the sources could be. The times of the satellites passing over correspond exactly with the Maui fires.
So, was it a spy vs. spy thing, with Globalists tuning the Chinese into the caper, and military just regards it as Cold War tit for tat for their own HAARP/DEW stuff? Did the MotherWefers contract the Chinese for it? Woo knows.
Favis also says the same programs with stored NORAD tracking data can be reverse propagated for old DEW fires, too, in California and Colorado. Watch vid before somebody tries to censor it.
It's intriguing that open source information, Matlab, and some programming can do this. He even says the simple code is on his website and that anybody with some basic coding experience and Matlab can duplicate it from the NORAD data. Starts after 12 minute mark.
https://rumble.com/v3fgkxn-the-prather-brief-ep.-92.html?mref=m9199&mc=8lg38
https://rumble.com/v3fgkxn-the-prather-brief-ep.-92.html

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Going to go out on a limb and guess he mentions the burned out cars near the edge of the fire but not within the main fire zone - that had melted aluminum.

Those were insurance fraud burns with added accelerants. They were all traced back to the same owner already who's in deep shit.

When you drive around Maui you're pretty much guarantied to see burned out cars like that sadly. I'd always assumed they were stolen but apparently people burn their own too.

just_passing_through says

Those were insurance fraud burns with added accelerants. They were all traced back to the same owner already who's in deep shit.

Who is the owner?

When there's a distinct lack of details, that's a red flag right there.

https://elizabethnickson.substack.com/p/burn-back-better-its-not-climate



Very interesting if true.

Accelerants have max T of 2000 F, unless they are very special grade types used by military. That's the 'blowtorch point', the hottest, not the averaged T over the surface of the object. Although aluminum has a nominally low melting temperature, the breaching temperature is 3700 because of the oxide layer. Also, 2000 F will not melt glass.

The clearly delineated, pre-determined policy thrust is to force DISPERSAL of the Lahaina residents, not aid them in situ for rebuilding. This will include denying them insurance payments or government loans/reimbursements, and keeping all lawsuits out of any discovery phase in the crooked, Masonic courts, settled for peanuts likely with condition that they residents forego any aspirations of resettlement once all of the evidences of the crime scene have been destroyed (except for the kidnapped kids and the Globalists studying the aftermath for their own sequestered educational purposes).

Let's give them ten doses of mRNA vaccines and boosters while they are in the Masonic clink. That oughta make some more Lahaina ripe for luxury homes and Globalsita highrises on the water with a slave colony in the 15 minute city of New Lahaina inland a bit.

Soo, what's the conclusion on whodunnit: was it Oprah, Soros or Chinese sattelites?

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"They are still arresting people for visiting their own homes in Maui 31 days after the fires and the media ban remains active. What are they trying so hard to hide?"

Good Question... What sre they trying so hard to hide?