Critique my experiment to demonstrate that mobile devices are always-on spy devices.
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2023 Sep 16, 5:47pm 465 views 7 comments
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richwicks
2023 Sep 17, 10:23am
richwicks
2023 Sep 17, 10:23am
PeopleUnitedis correct. The phone will start searching for cell towers once it loses connecting n to one.
I don't think they are always on, but they can be turned on I'm certain without your control or knowledge.
I don't think they are always on, but they can be turned on I'm certain without your control or knowledge.
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stereotomy
2023 Sep 17, 10:34am
stereotomy
2023 Sep 17, 10:34am
I was hoping to keep experimental costs low ($200 is almost a week's worth of food in my household - not pleading poverty, it's just that I'd rather spend the money on food). Is there a cheaper way to measure battery depletion? I guess my other option is to try 7 days or longer and see what happens.
$200 buys me 22 lbs. of grass-fed beef which will yield about 6 meals for the three of us.
$200 buys me 22 lbs. of grass-fed beef which will yield about 6 meals for the three of us.
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Ceffer
2023 Sep 17, 10:50am
Ceffer
2023 Sep 17, 10:50am
Strap a turned on cell phone to a large lab rat. If the rat turns rainbow colors and starts lisping, you know they have perfected mind control. If the rat dies, you know they have perfected democide. If the rat starts wearing a MAGA cap, you know that alternative media has succeeded in gaining information penetration. If the rat starts taking selfys and wants puffy lips plastic surgery, then you know the situation is hopeless and dire, time to move to the armed shelter and break out the yam seeds.
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Tenpoundbass
2023 Sep 17, 10:56am
Tenpoundbass
2023 Sep 17, 10:56am
If the phone is trying to communicate when off. Then putting it in a shielded enclosure, I think would drain it faster than a phone that is not.
I have noticed my phone will consume the battery 3 times quicker if I'm in a dead spot. Where I can't get a signal or a wifi signal.
The phone gets hot, because every radio on the device is constantly pinging trying to find a signal to connect to.
A fully charged battery will last me 3 days, if I did minimal browsing, and took and made phone call in normal usage frequency. Not staying on the phone a long time during each call. But if I'm in a dead zone, my fully battery will drain within 8 hours or less .
I have noticed my phone will consume the battery 3 times quicker if I'm in a dead spot. Where I can't get a signal or a wifi signal.
The phone gets hot, because every radio on the device is constantly pinging trying to find a signal to connect to.
A fully charged battery will last me 3 days, if I did minimal browsing, and took and made phone call in normal usage frequency. Not staying on the phone a long time during each call. But if I'm in a dead zone, my fully battery will drain within 8 hours or less .
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clambo
2023 Sep 17, 11:58am
I think something is always on with iPhones.
I just bought some Airtags, which use any iPhone or iPad nearby to show its general location.
They connect without the guy carrying an iPhone around knowing about it.
I just bought some Airtags, which use any iPhone or iPad nearby to show its general location.
They connect without the guy carrying an iPhone around knowing about it.
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stereotomy
2023 Sep 17, 12:45pm
stereotomy
2023 Sep 17, 12:45pm
Tenpoundbass says
That's my point - you expect the phone to boost power to receive signals when it's on, but what about when it's off? It shouldn't care whether it can acquire signal or not when it's off, so ostensibly the battery drain when off should be the same, unless - is it really off?
If the phone is trying to communicate when off. Then putting it in a shielded enclosure, I think would drain it faster than a phone that is not.
I have noticed my phone will consume the battery 3 times quicker if I'm in a dead spot. Where I can't get a signal or a wifi signal.
The phone gets hot, because every radio on the device is constantly pinging trying to find a signal to connect to.
A fully charged battery will last me 3 days, if I did minimal browsing, and took and made phone call in normal usage frequency. Not staying on the phone a long time during each call. But if I'm in a dead zone, my fully battery will drain within 8 hours or less .
That's my point - you expect the phone to boost power to receive signals when it's on, but what about when it's off? It shouldn't care whether it can acquire signal or not when it's off, so ostensibly the battery drain when off should be the same, unless - is it really off?
If this is true, and phones relay information even when supposedly "off," then a way to test this is to measure battery draw-down for 2 cases:
(1) phone off, but not shielded from signals
(2) phone off and fully shielded by a 100% steel enclosure
For the second case, an effective shielding enclosure will be determined by the ability of the phone to receive calls when inside the enclosure. I have already verified this to be the case using a steel lock box to enclose the receiving phone.
The wrinkle here is that determining battery depletion by battery voltage is a classic inverse problem; i.e., a battery's voltage is essentially constant until it is almost depleted.
I suppose I could keep the phone on and use an app to monitor battery usage. This would probably introduce confounding factors.
The reason why I want to conduct an experiment of this nature is to unambiguously quantify the nature of the threat. If I could verify that the phone transmits surreptitiously even when "off," then that confirms the warnings of the woosphere (which I am willing to accept given proof).