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https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/rescinded-wednesday-october-18-2023

The developing story and Israel’s persuasive videos, argument, and audio caused newspaper editors’ heads to spin faster than John Fetterman hanging for dear life onto a whirling childrens’ merry-go-round. Here’s one great example: What would we do without the New York Times and its stealth editors? Behold, three papers in one day!




For what it’s worth, during his short visit yesterday, Joe Biden carefully* reviewed the evidence about the explosion and is siding with Israel. But of course, Biden mangled it, unaccountably referring to Hamas as “the other team,” as though the deadly conflict is some kind of sporting event:
(* results may vary)

Probably Biden just forgot Hamas’ name, and “the other team” remark was a sundowner technique to cover for the embarrassing gaffe.

Can you imagine poor Netanyahu having to smile through an entire meeting with Biden talking that slow? According to reports, the men met for “longer than expected,” which was just over an hour. I think we can agree the meeting was extended because Biden talked so slow and Bibi had to keep asking Joe’s handlers to explain what he just said.

To be clear: I take no position on who’s to blame for the hospital, because how could I? I don’t have access to the evidence. Neither does anybody else, and so nobody should be reacting emotionally (except perhaps over for the general tragedy of war). But at this point, Israel has presented a credible defense, and the burden of proof has shifted back to the Palestinians to prove that the explosion was not caused by one of their own rockets. They also need to explain why the hospital wasn’t reduced to a skeleton staff after the original Israeli evacuation warnings.

Patrick says

https://twitter.com/ClownWorld/status/1714657820912857338

Hey Patrick,

So if you dive into the source for that video a bit you come to an account for OSINTtechnical on Twitter(the account that posted the video originally). When you go to their homepage on twitter they link to cna.org. If you go to that link you see what looks like a DOD think tank in the DC area.

Be sure to always vet your sources...

RWSGFY says

Yep. Hamas is a terrorist organization.

Based on the that DOD tweet? I'm guessing this is the same level of scrutiny you've applied to all your Ukraine rhetoric...

The thing with JDAMs - they don't carry any fuel becase these are just dumb bombs converted with a wing kit. So if you see massive fire after explosion in the middle of parking lot it must be a missile, not bomb, and one at the early part of its trajectory, because this is when it has all the fuel still unburned. Simple logic, no "sources" needed.

Patrick says

To be clear: I take no position on who’s to blame for the hospital, because how could I? I don’t have access to the evidence. Neither does anybody else

But he did, in the post you linked in the other thread. Not sure anything changed on his end as he linked no sources. But he still claims to know people in Gaza have no evidence of what happened? Seems the whole world gets sucked into his oblivious outlook...

Eric Holder says

The thing with JDAMs - they don't carry any fuel becase these are just dumb bombs converted with a wing kit. So if you see massive fire after explosion in the middle of parking lot it must be a missile, not bomb, and one at the early part of its trajectory, because this is when it has all the fuel still unburned. Simple logic, no "sources" needed.

Well, you had a source for the fire, you didn't see that with your own eyes. Let me try my source:
https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/104572/joint-direct-attack-munition-gbu-313238/

Now according to this, a JDAM carries a warhead, and warhead's explode. Hmm, seems your logic overlooked the use of some source, and the fundamental function of a bomb, to blow up.

Patrick says

For what it’s worth, during his short visit yesterday, Joe Biden carefully* reviewed the evidence about the explosion and is siding with Israel.

Could you IMAGINE if a US president EVER sided against Israel? I have never seen that in my lifetime.

NuttBoxer says

JDAM carries a warhead, and warhead's explode. Hmm, seems your logic overlooked the use of some source, and the fundamental function of a bomb, to blow up.

Right. Blows up, but does not cause massive fires, unless the accelerant is present at the target location. Like at gas station, refinery, oil storage and such. But not in the middle of the city.

A 2,000-lb bomb typically contains 945 pounds of tritonal, a TNT derivative that is about 20 percent more powerful than TNT. By comparison, the bomb that destroyed the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City on 19 April 1995, comprised approximately 5,000 pounds of ammonia nitrate mixed with fuel oil — the equivalent of nearly 4,000 pounds of TNT. The portable devices used by suicide bombers typically weigh between 10 and 35 pounds; these can carry a punch equivalent to 40 pounds of TNT if a plastic explosive (C-4) is used.

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Averaged across different types of surfaces, a 2000-lb bomb will carve a crater 50 feet across and 16 feet deep; a 500-lb bomb will carve one 25 feet across and 8.5 feet deep.
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[For sources and more information on blast effects see the note at bottom.]

https://comw.org/pda/precision-warfare-a-2000-lb-scalpel/

OK, where's the crater?

Eric Holder says

OK, where's the crater?

No point in arguing with Gaza Hospital truthers......

Like arguing with Lefties on the definition of a woman. They are totally impervious to facts, data, logic, science and reason.

More details wrt cui bono and whose fingerprints are all over this: https://youtu.be/tRymPk0bwFM

richwicks says

Could you IMAGINE if a US president EVER sided against Israel? I have never seen that in my lifetime.

This is because of the enormous fund-raising abilities of US Jews.

The US electoral system represents donors far more than it represents citizens without money.

NuttBoxer says

Patrick says

https://twitter.com/ClownWorld/status/1714657820912857338

Hey Patrick,

So if you dive into the source for that video a bit you come to an account for OSINTtechnical on Twitter(the account that posted the video originally). When you go to their homepage on twitter they link to cna.org. If you go to that link you see what looks like a DOD think tank in the DC area.

Be sure to always vet your sources...

I'm pretty sure it's true though, giving how the NYT backed off and how no one in the anti-Israel crowd can come up with any proof that Israel did it.

Patrick says

This is because of the enormous fund-raising abilities of US Jews.

No, that's simple.

The US sends "aid" to Israel, and that "aid" finds its way back to particular people, whom you call donors.

There's that, too. Just like the "aid" to Ukraine.

Patrick says

There's that, too. Just like the "aid" to Ukraine.

Exactly.

Patrick says

There's that, too. Just like the "aid" to Ukraine.

How about some honesty in advertising. They should call it a Prelaundering Package.

RWSGFY says

By comparison, the bomb that destroyed the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City

If your source thinks a fertilizer bomb in a Uhaul outside the Federal building accurate, they have no credibility, zero. Please take an hour to watch a good documentary on OKC so you'll know how ridiculous this is. The original 9/11 false flag.

Oh please everyone knows a militia member can blow up a federal building with a toothpick and a roll of toilet paper. Don’t you read the government approved agitprop comrade?

Patrick says

I'm pretty sure it's true though, giving how the NYT backed off and how no one in the anti-Israel crowd can come up with any proof that Israel did it.

Just so we're both clear. You believe a video posted by an account linking back to a DOD think tank is a good source? Because groups who exist solely to profit off of war would never lie to keep one going?

Did you watch anything to the contrary? Did you read the tweet initially put out from Bibi's personal team claiming responsibility? Did you look at the history, past and present where Israel has repeatedly targeted medical facilities, vehicles, and personnel? The Israeli government reposting a 2022 explosion as proof it wasn't them, 30 minutes after the hospital went under(all pulled back)? The press conference where Channel 4 UK debunked every claim Israel was making?

I don't think you care, but another link, with citations. I say that because the evidence is so overwhelming that Israel is lying at this point, I don't know how else to explain your statement.

https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/israeli-massacre-ahli-hospital/

I've been wrong here, many, many times in the past. And I admit it every time. Because I'm more afraid of being duped than being wrong.

Eric Holder says

OK, where's the crater?

Again, if you, or any of the 4 votes had read the link I provided, from our military, you'd know the control over this bomb allows detonation at any point before impact with the ground(no crater). If you ever did any research into Israeli government bombing patterns, you'd also know they often choose to detonate before hitting the ground.

If I thought I might be supporting governments who bomb hospitals, I'd double and triple check my facts to make sure that's not the case, as it would be abhorrently evil. If you haven't done that, what does it say about you as a person?

gaza hospital

NuttBoxer says

If I thought I might be supporting governments who bomb hospitals, I'd double and triple check my facts to make sure that's not the case, as it would be abhorrently evil. If you haven't done that, what does it say about you as a person?

It's funny how people line up to chose sides like it's a football game, and not a bunch of people murdering one another.

This really is a religious issue, and people can't seem to be detached and rational when discussing it.

There were FOUR hospitals bombed, not just one.

Shifa hospital in Gaza City
Hala al-Shawa clinic
the Indonesian hospital in the northern Gaza Strip
the Beit Hanoun hospital

there's no way to know what is going on. Our media is shit, and it's biased. There is a full fledged propaganda campaign on to "win hearts and minds", for a conflict that we have nothing to do with.

Soo, NB says that a JDAM bomb was detonated above the ground and this supposedly explains the lack of crater. How would he explain all these solar panels propped up on flimsy flsupoorts still standing on the roof? Shouldn't the shock wave and flak from an aerial explosion of at least 500 lbs of military-grade explosives blow them away? I mean, it was strong enough to kill EIGHT HUNDRED PEOPLE right? And what's with the AC units also seemingly intact hanging on the wall? How come an areal explosion of such a giant bomb spared these tin boxes? And what's with the glass globe on the lammpost right next to the burned cars? How did that survive an aerial explosion of 500 lbs bomb basically right next to it? Where does one explode a 500 lbs bomb in such a manner that 500-800 people killed on the ground w/o a crater but a glass globe 15 feet above ground and in less than 30 ft from the supposed epicentre stays intact?

RWSGFY says

Soo, NB says that a JDAM bomb was detonated above the ground and this supposedly explains the lack of crater. How would he explain all these solar panels propped up on flimsy flsupoorts still standing on the roof? Shouldn't the shock wave and flak from an aerial explosion of at least 500 lbs of military-grade explosives blow them away? I mean, it was strong enough to kill EIGHT HUNDRED PEOPLE right?

The number if people is certainly incorrect. We don't know who the source of this information was from either.

It COULD be that Hamas claimed that 800 people died, but that would be stupid, because it would be discredited. It's POSSIBLE they are this stupid.

It's ALSO possible that Israel fed this false information to the media, to discredit Hamas by claiming they were the source of the information.

It's hard to tell because our media lies to us so often. It's possible OUR media just made up the number, knowing it would be discredited. Who knows?

Whenever a war is going on it's just an endless string of lie after lie. Remember when Putin had cancer? Remember the Ghost of Kiev? The battle of Snake Island? That stupid "pilot" interview with Anderson Cooper and "Juice". It's all just endless nonsense. We get this with every war. The Douma Chemical attack never happened, the Ghouta Chemical attack PROBABLY was done by "the moderate rebels", but maybe Assad is that stupid, to kill a bunch of people that invited a US response. Qaddafi wasn't handing out Viagra to his men to rape women. BinLaden wasn't working with Saddam Hussein to do 9/11, Hussein wasn't sending letters filled with anthrax to lawmakers and "news" journalists.

MONTHS later we will find out what happened, when it no longer matters at all. I think Israel very well might drive out 100's of thousands, even a million people out of Gaza, or just murder them. SUPPOSEDLY they've dropped 6,000 bombs but who knows?

Just let them fight it out themselves, US needs to stop all aid to middle east. Isreal could not exist without US, they are a parasite. I feel bad for the innocent on both sides but this is not our problem, just like Ukraine all we are doing is making things worse.

RC2006 says

Just let them fight it out themselves, US needs to stop all aid to middle east. Isreal could not exist without US, they are a parasite. I feel bad for the innocent on both sides but this is not our problem, just like Ukraine all we are doing is making things worse.

Israel existed for 20 years (1947-1967) without any substantial USG assistance, and US aid is 3% of their Annual Government Budget (not their GDP).

I understand not wanting to fund other countries, but it's a Catboi Kisser's fantasy that Israel would disappear without US Aid.

RWSGFY says

Soo, NB says that a JDAM bomb was detonated above the ground and this supposedly explains the lack of crater.

I'm just repeating what our military says in their link. The strongest evidence IDF did this comes directly from Israeli government sources. I'm not the one saying you're wrong, American and Israeli military are the ones poking the biggest holes in your zero research opinions. I'm just the messenger.

Next you'll say there was no fire in Maui because look at that blue shit that didn't burn!

So at this point, Netan-Snow has bombed the hospital, but there's no Mocking Jay shooting down his planes. And a lot of people on this forum, and in the US are sounding a like District One Peace Keepers.

The real tragedy is, the more people that condemn this terrorist act, the faster this war ends. Buying into the lies just guarantees more terrorism.

RWSGFY says

Soo, NB says that a JDAM bom

It was a neutron bomb that Mossad killed JFK to steal.

AmericanKulak says

Israel existed for 20 years (1947-1967) without any substantial USG assistance, and US aid is 3% of their Annual Government Budget (not their GDP).

If Israel doesn't need the money, then stop giving it to them and 1/2 the bitching about the country will GO AWAY.

Win win for a lot of people.

Yeah, there's shitty countries in shitty situations, I just don't want to have ANY involvement with them. Shit, we can send 100 billion dollars to some stupid fucking war, and spend 2-4 billion dollars for "aid" to a nuclear armed country, BUT we can't do fuck for anybody in East Palestine Ohio, and there's still around 2000 people missing or dead in Maui - but the survivors got $700 each, as a ONE TIME DEAL.

Fuck this bullshit.

NuttBoxer says

The real tragedy is, the more people that condemn this terrorist act, the faster this war ends. Buying into the lies just guarantees more terrorism.

I doubt anything will stop this war. Israel has long wanted an excuse to kick the shit out of Gaza again, and now they have it. Israel just ignores the rest of the world and does whatever the fuck they want, in the same way the US government just ignores the country, and does whatever the fuck they want.

So there is a crater after all:



So much for the theory of an aerial explosion...

Would any Pro-Israeli on this forum watch this and provide their counter please?

https://youtu.be/UUxWw0dMkNs?si=GGDdS5fYshWQMTaW

richwicks says

I doubt anything will stop this war. Israel has long wanted an excuse to kick the shit out of Gaza again, and now they have it. Israel just ignores the rest of the world and does whatever the fuck they want, in the same way the US government just ignores the country, and does whatever the fuck they want.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas_in_the_Gaza_Strip

this is a major factor in the geopolitical background

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ad says

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas_in_the_Gaza_Strip

this is a major factor in the geopolitical background

Could be, but I doubt this is the major factor. Israel just wants to expand and wants to be rid of the Palestinians entirely.

richwicks says

Could be, but I doubt this is the major factor. Israel just wants to expand and wants to be rid of the Palestinians entirely.

The feud has been going on for at least 100 years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Palestine_riots

With European pogroms going back 150 years, it just increased the rate of Aliyah.

Look at the demographics as I saw one stat that said 75% of the Gaza population is below the age of 25. So Israel views all of them as Enemy At the Gates, and wants to eliminate that threat ?

The Uniside.

https://t.me/SGTnewsNetwork/55276