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The insurance rates on these Tesla things are outrageous though. Literally 2x of a similarly-priced new car.
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The insurance rates on these Tesla things are outrageous though. Literally 2x of a similarly-priced new car.
Not enough to offset the significant savings I get every month on gas in California.
What savings? I rented Teslas and Camry hybrids from Hertz and purely fuel cost for hybrids was $0.13 per mile while Teslas were $0.16. Yes, I charged it at siperchargers (because fucking Hertz doesn't include cables with their rentals) but the late evening rate was similar to one I pay at home: $0.33-0.35 per kWh vs $0.32-0.36, iirc.
https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2023/12/13/bidens-green-energy-flop-ford-cuts-electric-truck-production-in-half-over-lack-of-demand/
The point of this thread was not the EV's virtues, but the fact people are flat out rejecting them. Ford EV Trucks and Cars are sitting on the lot unsold. So now Ford is cutting back on production of them.
There will be no natural adopting, and I don't think you can force people to accept them when the physics isn't even there to make your case.
You early adopters are it. Either people will embrace them or they wont. But it wont be the universal must have they were made out to be.
Ford can’t sell their EVs in volume because their EVs are inferior and overpriced.
Not enough to offset the significant savings I get every month on gas in California.
Utilities now offer EV plans that charge less per kWh, not more. How much less - IDK.
Wait until Cybertrucks are spotted all over the roads.
ultimately the cost will be more than gas.
And the fact that people realize they have to spend 20 to 40 thousand dollar just to install an EV charger at their home, is a real buzzkill.
Plus using a used vehicle is the ultimate in recycling, preventing another car from going to the junkyard.
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Not enough to offset the significant savings I get every month on gas in California.
Enjoy it now. You're naive to think it will last for long. They will charge higher rates for EV owners at some point. It's coming. We don't have the grid and they can't go to non-EV owners to cover your bill. Electric will be more expensive than gas for EV's and probably in the near future.
I plan on going solar with a Tesla Powerwall now that San Diego Gas & Electric allows it to be used as a "virtual utility" where I can use the energy generated in the peak of the day to fill up my Powerwall battery or my car.
Factor in there will be no used EV car market either. Battery is near the end of life, ain't nobody touching it. Nobody would be able to junk it. It's worth nothing altogether.
The biggest and hardest question is how will utilities maintain their grid with double or triple demand?
Leftist environmental retards are finally coming around to nukes with the first new US plant going on line this year.
Within 50 years, we will be in closed loop system where we have enough batteries produced we won't need to mine new material as we can keep recycling and reusing the precious and expensive minerals in expensive batteries.
You cannot recycle the batteries either.
You don't golf, do you? We've had EV's for decades. What do golf course pick 9 out of 10 times? Gas golf carts. The economic model has been known for decades
The Georgia plant took well over a decade dude.
Let me know when Ford, Toyota, Chevy, etc stop making trucks and SUV's without V-8 engines. There's a reason. And there's a reason they're still in business.
Mainly due to regulatory hurdles. The Senate passed a bill this year to make licensing new plants easier. This one nuke plant will provide more energy than thousands of windmills and solar panels we have littered all over our country.
True cost of charging an EV is equivalent to paying $17.33 a gallon of gas, per new report
That Jerry Seinfeld is a baaaad MAN, verdy BAD!
At this stage, E.V.s, if forced to stand on their own, are an utter failure, and as I noted in my previous blog, bad ideas and inferior products only find security in a “free” market… rigorously controlled by big government fascists.
It might very well be that every ICE car manufacturer will get out of the EV business while Tesla stays and remains the one and only EV manufacturer owning the whole niche (as is the case right now). I'm starting to think that all these silly "mandates" will not be implemented in the US (and will be implemented and then reversed in Europe).
So no real mass transition to EVs and Tesla staying around and doing well might not be as mutually exclusive as many seem to think.
However, they have the politicians in their pocket. Your thesis may play out.
Dude.... Musk is the biggest government grifter in our lifetimes. The guy literally blows rockets up as "tests" with government money and has the government pay for people's cars. Then charges an obscene monthly fee for Starlink that tax payers paid for and most cannot afford.
Good observation. OEM manufacturers can’t scale, can’t provide supercharging infrastructure for their EV, and can’t make a profit selling EV. However, they have the politicians in their pocket. Your thesis may play out.
Tesla's already work for the majority of US drivers except the huge population in Illinois that apparently has to haul massive trailers and drive 2000 miles each week visiting grandma.
No one has given me an example of how EV's are going to pay for the roads they use. I'll wait....
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Then without thinking, all of the other important decision morons, jumped on board and said "Not only that, but let's make gas cars so expensive nobody can afford them!"
Well now there's this.
https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2023/12/11/theyre-stacking-up/
I think Joe Biden giving 6 billion to build EV charging stations, then did dickall with those tax dollars. And the fact that people realize they have to spend 20 to 40 thousand dollar just to install an EV charger at their home, is a real buzzkill. No the EV chargers themselves don't cost 40K to install. But most people's house electric panel is already maxed out, and the Electric company is only giving them 200amp service. Many houses will need the Electric company install a bigger amperage meter box and run a thicker wire. Then from there have to wire in subpanels, or replace the inside main breaker panel.
Even many companies had to upgrade their electric so their CEOs and other executives could have a charger installed in their parking spots.
Combine that with the resent press, that people are having a hard time finding chargers when they venture outside of their Nerdiehood, where there's chargers, to areas where there are none. They can't make long trips, because of the lack of charging stations in between. But not only that even if there are chargers in between. It turns out with so many EVs on the road, you can expect a two hour wait, to wait your turn for the charger.
That Jerry Seinfeld is a baaaad MAN, verdy BAD!