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UkraineIsFucked says

But too late. Your credibility is now as hosed as socal2's is. No matter how you try to spin it.

I challenge you to find a single post here where I said Ukraine is "winning" or going to "win".

All I have ever said is that Russia is not winning or meeting its stated goals and are bearing an astronomical price in humans and material for their total cockup embarrassment of a war. Russia still can't even control the air over their battle space going on 2 years now!

As of this writing, Russia is worse off on virtually every metric then they were in 2022. Ukraine is "fucked" too, but they have managed to win back land lost from the initial invasion, massively damaged Russia's Black Sea fleet and have kept one of the largest militaries on the planet at a bloody stalemate for the past year.

You and the MacGregors of the world would have never predicted that Russia would have failed to wrap up this war by the end of 2023.

You and the MacGregors can't even define Russia "winning" because you fuckers are so dishonest and slippery that you don't want to be held to anything after all your cock-sure predictions failed to materialize.

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socal2 says

At first, Russian "winning" was to stop the spread of NATO.

Yeah...into Ukraine.

socal2 says

WookieMan says

Russia is not winning. That's fact.

Fucker won't even define winning.

That's Wookie's statement. Not mine.

socal2 says

He refuses to even consider the massive cost Russia has paid.

Already addressed: https://patrick.net/comment?comment_id=2021834

Not my problem you can't read or have to resort to outright lying about my position.

Copying this post to this thread. https://patrick.net/post/1318444/2018-08-24-how-come-liberals-lack-critical

UkraineIsFucked says

Oh, and since you have now expanded that to on this site as opposed to just this thread, I can see why you are getting desperate.

I have not seen a user on this site, the internet, anywhere thinking Ukraine would win. Reading is a skill. What I'm saying is Russia is losing in the long term. You're acting like a teenager. Keep posting nudes. That's all you're good at.

UkraineIsFucked says

socal2 says

At first, Russian "winning" was to stop the spread of NATO.

Yeah...into Ukraine.

socal2 says

WookieMan says

Russia is not winning. That's fact.

Fucker won't even define winning.

That's Wookie's statement. Not mine.

Seriously dude, I'll ask again if you're high or drunk. Russia is not winning. What should have taken 2 weeks has taken 2 years. I don't have a pony in this race. Russia looks like absolute shit. It's gonna be the same for Isreal even if they decimate Hamas. You're not understanding what the fuck is going on dude.

WookieMan says

Russia looks like absolute shit. It's gonna be the same for Isreal even if they decimate Hamas

Going to quibble here.

Unlike the incompetent Russian drunks and convicts getting wiped out in meat wave attacks with very little to show, Israel is cleaning Hamas' clock and keeping Israelis casualties to a minimum. Israel is already demobilizing reserves as they have completed most of the fighting in Northern Gaza and are in mop-up mode.

Gaza will never be the same and Hamas will cease to exist as a functioning governing entity.

socal2 says

Unlike the incompetent Russian drunks and convicts getting wiped out in meat wave attacks with very little to show, Israel is cleaning Hamas' clock and keeping Israelis casualties to a minimum. Israel is already demobilizing reserves as they have completed most of the fighting in Northern Gaza and are in mop-up mode.

Short term I'm in agreement. Long term Isreal is gonna eat shit on this whole deal. That's why i compare it to Russia. I have zero affiliation or affection toward Palestinians or people of Isreal. I know how this plays out. We, the US has done this twice in a big way the last two decades. The bigger country eats shit. This is hands down what will happen in both of these conflicts.

And guess what? The bombing and attacking will never end. Either conflict. It's never stopped. This is NORMAL for them. We have one of the most peaceful times in history in this hemisphere and the dip shits over there are duking it out for something the size of New Jersey and NYC? They'll keep doing it. That's been my point in these comments. We're discussing/arguing over something that will go on for centuries. And I'm not being hyperbolic.

WookieMan says

Seriously dude, I'll ask again if you're high or drunk. Russia is not winning. What should have taken 2 weeks has taken 2 years. I don't have a pony in this race. Russia looks like absolute shit. It's gonna be the same for Isreal even if they decimate Hamas. You're not understanding what the fuck is going on dude.

Who are you even talking to? Cuz I was not sure who socal2 was referring to.

I just responded to what HE posted, for the record.

WookieMan says

I have not seen a user on this site, the internet, anywhere thinking Ukraine would win

Wow! Alternate reality time!

WookieMan says

Reading is a skill

So is being on the same site, apparently.

UkraineIsFucked says

WookieMan says

Seriously dude, I'll ask again if you're high or drunk. Russia is not winning. What should have taken 2 weeks has taken 2 years. I don't have a pony in this race. Russia looks like absolute shit. It's gonna be the same for Isreal even if they decimate Hamas. You're not understanding what the fuck is going on dude.

Who are you even talking to? Cuz I was not sure who socal2 was referring to.

I just responded to what HE posted, for the record.

Responding to anyone that can read. Could be you. Could be Socal. Could be Patrick. I'm making a statement. If it's difficult to figure out who it's directed at I'm probably gonna remove myself from this discussion.

I'm not gonna waste my time and quote everyone. Again, reading. I'm thoroughly confused by your confusion. Whatever.

LOL! Undoubtedly, a Z body double. More Russian losing.

https://t.me/gatewaypunditofficial/41286

WookieMan says

I'm probably gonna remove myself from this discussion.

Smart move.

Oh..and:

clambo says

Evidently Ukraine doesn’t need NATO; they are going to be armed to the teeth after this is over.

clambo says

7. Russia withdraws, and pays war reparations out of foreign reserves.
Edit: The West will use the Russian foreign reserves which have already been "frozen".

Most of the threads of all those Ukey Fluffers who outright said Ukraine would win have disappeared, it seems. Shocked, that!

Now you are going to try an spin this to not count as someone posting on PatNet that Ukraine was going to win. 5..4..3..2...

Ceffer says

LOL! Undoubtedly, a Z body double. More Russian losing.

How many more cities like this does Russia have to spam with meat waves to "win"?

Killing Russians By The Truckload Around Avdiivka, Ukraine’s M-2 Fighting Vehicles Are Showing How Russia Loses—And Ukraine Wins
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/12/30/killing-russians-by-the-truckload-around-avdiivka-ukraines-m-2-fighting-vehicles-are-showing-how-russia-loses-and-ukraine-wins/?sh=5795a8e41ed6

socal2 says

"Killing Russians By The Truckload Around Avdiivka, Ukraine’s M-2 Fighting Vehicles Are Showing How Russia Loses—And Ukraine Wins"

Please explain: If Ukraine is wining, then how come they are losing territory? No answer!

The_Deplorable says

socal2 says

"Killing Russians By The Truckload Around Avdiivka, Ukraine’s M-2 Fighting Vehicles Are Showing How Russia Loses—And Ukraine Wins"

Please explain: If Ukraine is wining, then how come they are losing territory? No answer!

This is a proxy war to the max. Ukraine was never meant to "win" from the start. I sometimes feel like I'm talking to common retards. Russia will keep what it basically already controlled. They wanted more control and to date have got their asses handed to them. Body count means nothing. Russia wanted Kiev. They've failed for 2 years. Maybe they'll get it. Their objective from a war games perspective has failed.

I really don't care what people think the outcome is. They're both losing as nations and have been for centuries. Russia has some natural resources and outside of that it's IQ 50 zone with a bunch of retarded zombies asking for vodka. They get oil and gas needing their hands held by Western powers. They got nukes during a period they got lucky and had someone kind of competent. Ukraine had as many nukes.

If anyone here also thinks Ukraine still doesn't have nukes, keep being a retard. This is a WWI style war and neither side will drop the mustard gas, in modern times known as nukes. Hell they probably still have mustard gas. 2024 is going to be a shit show and I wouldn't be shocked if it involved a small nuke being dropped in either nation.

"Please explain: If Ukraine is wining, then how come they are losing territory? No answer!"

WookieMan says

"I really don't care what people think the outcome is."

You are not answering the question.

" If anyone here also thinks Ukraine still doesn't have nukes, keep being a retard."

You are dreaming. Where is your proof? No answer.

Propaganda fountain head for the Ukraine delusion sucklers?


https://t.me/sitreports/20351

Kagans and Nuland. What could possibly go wrong in Moloch's fun house?

But, Bibi's E.B.E. overlord in the DUMB s is happy as long as there is a bumper crop of account holders. Gotta stay Babylonian.

https://t.me/sitreports/20355

socal2 says

Killing Russians By The Truckload Around Avdiivka, Ukraine’s M-2 Fighting Vehicles Are Showing How Russia Loses—And Ukraine Wins

So you are saying Ukraine is winning?

BTW. That article is just Ukey propaganda.

Putin may be taking off his velvet de-Nazification gloves and letting things go for the throat.

https://t.me/sitreports/20423

Per the report - Russian planners preparing for a long war?

UkraineIsFucked says

socal2 says

Killing Russians By The Truckload Around Avdiivka, Ukraine’s M-2 Fighting Vehicles Are Showing How Russia Loses—And Ukraine Wins

So you are saying Ukraine is winning?

BTW. That article is just Ukey propaganda.

^^^@socal2 plz answer the question.

socal2 says

Per the report - Russian planners preparing for a long war?

LOL! Thought I'd throw y'all a bone.

The_Deplorable says

"Please explain: If Ukraine is wining, then how come they are losing territory? No answer!"

WookieMan says

"I really don't care what people think the outcome is."

You are not answering the question.

" If anyone here also thinks Ukraine still doesn't have nukes, keep being a retard."

You are dreaming. Where is your proof? No answer.

Can you guys not read? At no point did I, myself ever say Ukraine was winning this shit show. Never. Ever. Quote it or shut the fuck up and stop being gay.

You're a fucking idiot if you think Ukraine got rid of its nukes. Full blown retard. They had thousands. Nah, they didn't keep a couple dozen. They gave them all up. Lol. Like legit full retard. This thread is the definition of retardation at this point. Whatever. Russia is winning after 2 years of holding the land it already did. lol.

What's all this Ukraine business?

AmericanKulak says

What's all this Ukraine business?

I don't know. It's gays thinking that either side is winning. They just don't realize they're taking it up the ass...

Ukraine is so 2022-2023.

AmericanKulak says

Ukraine is so 2022-2023.

LOL! Call me when they have busted out the champagne after the partition party.

WookieMan says

at no point has a user here said Ukraine isn't fucked.

And now:

WookieMan says

At no point did I, myself ever say Ukraine was winning this shit show.

Look everyone! Watch how WookieMan changes his bullshit! He goes from saying at no point has a user here to claiming he was talking about just him! Amazing!

Oh, and then he accuses ppl of not knowing how to read as the problem.

I am sure that providing proof of ppl saying on PatNet that Ukraine was going to win has nothing to do with it.

How many lies have you told like this as a 'real estate expert' on this site as well, Wookie?

This fucked up shit is classic iwog, btw.

UkraineIsFucked says

^^^socal2 plz answer the question.

After you give me an estimate of Russian casualties and define what a Russian "win" is.

A Ukrainian "win" is kicking Russian occupiers out of their country.

socal2 says

After you give me an estimate of Russian casualties and define what a Russian "win" is.

A Ukrainian "win" is kicking Russian occupiers out of their country.

...which has nothing to do with Russian causalties, because Ukraine is fighting a war over territory while it is the Russians who are fighting a war of attrition...which the Ukeys are losing.

You seem to think the opposite is occurring.

Ukraine is fucked. That means -- by your own definition -- Russia can't lose. Despite what ever changing rants Wookie posts, only one ends up being a winner.

UkraineIsFucked says

WookieMan says

at no point has a user here said Ukraine isn't fucked.

And now:

WookieMan says

At no point did I, myself ever say Ukraine was winning this shit show.

Look everyone! Watch how WookieMan changes his bullshit! He goes from saying at no point has a user here to claiming he was talking about just him! Amazing!

I stand by my claim. I never said Ukraine would win. Socal as far as I recall never said that Ukraine would win. WFT are you talking about? You selectively quoted a comment. That's your trolling practice. I have not seen a user here saying Ukraine would "win" this war.

You're not understanding what this war is at all. There won't be a winner, yet you're hooked on defending Russia. All I've done is bash Ukraine. Technically I'm on your side. I'll bash Russia in the process though. I'll bash the US. This is a dumb war against two corrupt nations. Russia looks worse for it. They had Crimea and a bridge with rail. They now lost some of their most powerful ships in the Black Sea. That's not winning.

If this cannot be clearer I'm afraid there are issues in the cranium. I wish you luck in getting that checked out. This is two vodka drunk nations, fighting over a tiny amount of land that will be fought over for centuries because they're fucking idiots. You think Russia "winning" is gonna change that? Lol. I don't want the kool aid you're drinking.

UkraineIsFucked says

..which has nothing to do with Russian causalties, because Ukraine is fighting a war over territory while it is the Russians who are fighting a war of attrition...which the Ukeys are losing.

Ha ha!

You can't even wrap your mind around it. Russia is fighting a war of attrition? Like losing 20% of its Black Sea Fleet, destruction of Wagner, losing Crimean airfields and gaining 2 new NATO members on its borders?

Back to your programmed bot reply.

socal2 says

Like losing 20% of its Black Sea Fleet, destruction of Wagner, losing Crimean airfields and gaining 2 new NATO members on its borders?

1) Ukraine is a land war.
2) Wagner wasn't lost. It was absorbed into Russia's armed forces.
3) Crimea is still under Russian control. Didn't you say Ukraine needs to kick Rissia out of Ukey territory?
4) Two useless NATO members. Neither of which is going to save Ukraine.
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And above all, you don't undesirable what a war of attrition is. It's the killing off of the enemy's fighting force. Ukraine conscription press gangs are grabbing men with Down's Syndrome, 60 year old and pregnant women now. Because Russia obliterated THREE ENTIRE Ukey armies.

Russian Arty sure does kill.

WookieMan says

I stand by my claim. I never said Ukraine would win

So you engage in magical claim changing to try to finagle your way out of being caught fucking lying?

So what. No amount of your iwog-tyle bullshit is going to get your ass out of it. Not this time.

statement WookieMan is lying about him never making

at no point has a user here said Ukraine isn't fucked.

All of the support for the hopeless Ukrainians reminds me of a conversation I had with a retired Army Tank Commander. It was during the start of America's 18 year war in Afghanistan. I told him that history proves that Afghanistan's terrain makes for a nightmare militarily. Beginning with Alexander the Great, to the ruthless Red Army, no one has ever successfully conquered Afghanistan. He laughed at that and said that I had no idea what kind of power U. S. Military possessed. He summed it up by saying it would be a 'cake walk.'

I recall at the start of the Ukrainian conflict that most of the media referred to the Russian military as being 'inept,' 'backward,' 'antiquated,' 'lacking leadership,' etc. Early on, the media made it appear that Ukraine was clearly winning and that it would be only a matter of time before Russia would negotiate a settlement and go home. What they never told you was that Russia was waging a LIMITED war, and that it was not using the overwhelming Military power that was available to them. Had they done so, Kiev would have disappeared off of the map within about 2 weeks.

Many military experts are estimating that over 500,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed. That is an awful big number for such a little country. Also, since the war began, millions of people have fled Ukraine, including large numbers of fighting age men.

Ukraine is a lost cause. It is nothing other than a money making scheme for the military industrial complex, the mega-banks, the crooked politicians (including in America) getting big money deposited in secret, off-shore accounts, etc. It's also a failure for the One World Government crowd that views Russia as an impediment to their nefarious plans.

The American people have been fooled and lied to. America's border is being invaded every single day. THAT is the real border dispute that we should be addressing, instead of the failed cause of Ukraine.

RayAmerica says

Many military experts are estimating that over 500,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed.

Show me one credible link supporting this death toll.

Everything I have read, suggests Ukraine has under 100,000 deaths and up to 300,000 casualties. Huge death/casualty toll for Ukraine for sure - but less than 1/3 of what you are claiming.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-intelligence-assesses-ukraine-war-has-cost-russia-315000-casualties-source-2023-12-12/

In virtually every war in human history, attackers have 3X the death toll as the defenders. And we know that Russia doesn't value human life and has been sending meat waves like this one below getting their troops and tanks wiped out.

Ukraine knows they have a smaller military and has been much more conservative and cautious to not waste troops. One of the reasons why Ukraine pulled back on this Summer's counteroffensive because they could not run through human lives as Russia has.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBPtbNTxLL4

RayAmerica says

I recall at the start of the Ukrainian conflict that most of the media referred to the Russian military as being 'inept,' 'backward,' 'antiquated,' 'lacking leadership,' etc. Early on, the media made it appear that Ukraine was clearly winning and that it would be only a matter of time before Russia would negotiate a settlement and go home.

Total history revisionism.

At the start of the war, NO ONE thought Ukraine would hold on. Let alone hold on to recapture lost land and still be in the fight 2 years later. Certainly not the Biden administration that was offering Zelensky a flight out of the country.

It wasn't until a few weeks later where Ukraine was able to hold on that the rest of the world started seeing the total crap-ass quality of the Russian military getting all their convoys and supply lines wiped out. That was when the narrative started to turn and Western countries started to line up to provide weapons.