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socal2,

Having read your #3343 post, I can say with a great deal of confidence, you will never be hired to give the POTUS his daily brief. We'll leave that up to the professionals and experts like Col. Douglas MacGregor.

By the way, how did that much vaunted 'Spring Offensive' go for Ukraine?

https://swentr.site/news/590145-pentagon-no-money-ukraine/
https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/3631953/pentagon-press-secretary-maj-gen-pat-ryder-holds-a-press-briefing/

RayAmerica says

By the way, how did that much vaunted 'Spring Offensive' go for Ukraine?

About as well as the entire Russian invasion overall. Basically both are locked in stand still trench warfare.

Russians are needlessly getting thousands of their men killed just in the past 2 months throwing human meat-waves against entrenched Ukrainian troops in Avidvika.

socal2 says

The difference is that we have had 2 year to watch Russia in action and their military performance has gotten worse and more pathetic as they have burned through their advanced weapons and experienced troops and now resorting to meat-wave attacks and using weapons from Iran and North Korea.

All wrong. They outproduce the West in tanks, artillery and drones. Speaking of drones, they produce thousands of them with IR vision sensors...something they should not be able to produce let alone in large numbers.

It is the Ukeys who are engaging in meat wave attacks against Russian fixed positions. That's why their spring offensive produced nothing but dead and crippled Ukeys.

You spew nothing but Ukey/NATO propaganda.

socal2 says

Basically both are locked in stand still trench warfare.

Ukeys being slaughtered 10:1 by Russian arty isn't trench warfare.

It's dead and crippled Ukeys.

RayAmerica says

socal2 says

Russia wouldn't last 2 days against advanced US and NATO military.

No hyperbole there socal2. Sounds very reminiscent of what Hitler said at the start of the German invasion of Russia: "All you have to do is kick the door in and the whole rotten mess collapses." He too was convinced that the Russians had poor equipment and weren't very good fighters. As I recall, the Russian invasion didn't work out all that well for the Germans.

Apparently your memory doesn't recall the USA running for their lives out of Afghanistan after 18 years. They couldn't even defeat the rag-tag Taliban, and they're going to defeat Russia in "2 days?"

The Germans were the attackers. Russia had advanced notice on a land based attack and defenses put up. Russia has yet to ever even try an overseas attack on anyone because it can't. Cuba was overhyped by the media we all bash. The USSR is no different than what is in place now. It's failing and their dumb ass decision to start war with their neighbor is beyond stupid.

Our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were stupid. Militarily we won them though. At this point Russia hasn't won anything and both sides are churning through men. By default Russia has lost. Ukraine was never going to "win" the body count and will be fucked for decades itself. Russia on the other hand might be screwed for upwards of a century. I don't really care about Ukraine.

100k job loss in the US is a big deal. We're talking 100k dead and probably another 300k maimed/wounded. As in they cannot work. Minimum. Russia cannot operate it's infrastructure without Western help. Now they don't even have the lackeys to do the dirty work. They have no engineers. People with a brain. Russia is fucked. So is Ukraine. This was already land Russia Quasi controlled anyway with planning and defensive positions in place. They've utterly failed as socal has pointed out.

Ukraine won't "win" but this has been an utter failure by Russia. The excuse making for Russia is laughable. They don't have advanced weapons. We took over two nations across the globe in months. You can hate the MIC all you want, at least be happy you have the best. We're witnessing a subpar military in real time.

UkraineIsFucked says

Ukeys being slaughtered 10:1 by Russian arty isn't trench warfare.

Dude - why are you constantly making retarded easily refuted claims? Makes you look like a total fool.

If the death toll was even close to 10:1, Ukraine would have run out of troops last year.

And Putin wouldn't be having to use immigrants in 2024 as cannon fodder.

Putin speeds up a citizenship path for foreigners who enlist in the Russian military
https://apnews.com/article/russia-putin-decree-citizenship-army-ukraine-93770fad165cc9388ec53bc71e4eb739

socal2 #3348:

By ALL accounts, even the Ukraines admit this, the Spring Offensive was a massive failure.

You really need to shut off the Ministry of Propaganda, aka, mainstream media, for your news source. They are lying 24/7 about this and just about everything else.

RayAmerica says

By ALL accounts, even the Ukraines admit this, the Spring Offensive was a massive failure.

No one I know disputes this. Ukraine knowing they can not burn through thousands of men (as Russia has been doing all along) wisely pulled back after the initial stumbles and believe are waiting on F16's which will help push Russian artillery back.

Most people like me who are against Russia's illegal fuck-up of an invasion are not claiming Ukraine is winning, we just don't believe Russia is winning either (based on Putin stated objectives at the start of the war). And since Russia is so much bigger than Ukraine and right next door, it is a monumental cock-up and international embarrassment that Russia's hasn't wrapped this thing up by now.

Yet we have (presumably?) American posters here at Patnet ludicrously pimping for Russia despite all of Russia's failures over the past 2 years.

socal2 says

waiting on F16's which will help push Russian artillery back.

Hahahahaha!

socal2 says

No one I know disputes this.

So? You hang out with others living in lalaland.

Ukraine
Is
Fucked

Russia still losing bigly:

https://t.me/gatewaypunditofficial/41475
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/01/ukrainian-post-mortems-starting-appear/

socal2 #3354

Do you actually believe that Russia couldn't level Kiev to ground level, using strictly conventional weapons and air power, if they really wanted to?

By the way, when Ukraine gets the F-16s, who is going to fly them? Do you think that those unwilling Ukrainians that are being taken off the streets might be trained as pilots? Could be, right?

See, even crippled, aged and disabled Ukrainians pulled off the streets can defeat those pathetic Russians.

https://t.me/davidavocadowolfe/116692

RayAmerica says

Do you actually believe that Russia couldn't level Kiev to ground level, using strictly conventional weapons and air power, if they really wanted to?

Not asking me, but no. 2 years in and they haven't. Isreal and Gaza has shown what you can get away with. Russia can't. They've created nothing new. They're using 70-80's tech. This is not even a naval war and they've lost whatever percent of their fleet.

Ukraine will lose. Russia will walk away with its cock tucked between its legs in a land war with a neighbor. They'll retain land they already had. There's no dispute they look like shit. Russia gets what they already had and looks like absolute dumb asses in the process of it. Indisputable.

Ceffer says

See, even crippled, aged and disabled Ukrainians pulled off the streets can defeat those pathetic Russians.

At 58 I'm sure that I could operate a drone at the front.

RayAmerica says

socal2 #3354

Do you actually believe that Russia couldn't level Kiev to ground level, using strictly conventional weapons and air power, if they really wanted to?

By the way, when Ukraine gets the F-16s, who is going to fly them? Do you think that those unwilling Ukrainians that are being taken off the streets might be trained as pilots? Could be, right?

Coming @socal2

Your bullshit is being called out, respond.

Btw...even on of Ukraine's leading propaganda arm is admitting that Ukraine Is Fucked:

UkraineIsFucked says

RayAmerica says

socal2 #3354

Do you actually believe that Russia couldn't level Kiev to ground level, using strictly conventional weapons and air power, if they really wanted to?

By the way, when Ukraine gets the F-16s, who is going to fly them? Do you think that those unwilling Ukrainians that are being taken off the streets might be trained as pilots? Could be, right?

Coming socal2

Your bullshit is being called out, respond.

Btw...even on of Ukraine's leading propaganda arm is admitting that Ukraine Is Fucked:

This was inevitable. I myself never thought this would last two years for a border war. Russia has shown it's weak. They're destroying the land they want to control while killing the men that would be needed to rebuild it. That part of Ukraine, soon to be Russia will be in turmoil for a decade at least. This isn't a win for Russia. It's stupid. There's an option not to pick a side. This whole thing was dumb from the beginning.

People gotta stop listening to colonel retard. Russia will get what they want but they've already lost. Ukraine lost. This was a proxy war and the US won. Europe won. We attacked and funded Ukraine on Ukrainian soil. Imagine if we hit Moscow? There's no war in Russia and they still can't win decisively. It's an absolute embarrassment for Russia.

We've put Russia back at least a decade militarily. Probably two or three if they last that long without collapsing, which I predict they will. They don't have the men and intelligence to run their own infrastructure.

Booger says

At 58 I'm sure that I could operate a drone at the front.

Ukraine is so desperate for anyone that has a pulse that they've put out a call to foreigners to join the fight.

I'm sure your age won't be a factor. Why not give it a shot?

RayAmerica says

Why not give it a shot?

Pun intended?

Ceffer says

"See, even crippled, aged and disabled Ukrainians pulled off the streets can defeat those pathetic Russians."

Why is Ukraine pulling the disabled, the crippled and the aged off the streets to fight Russia?

Answer: Because all the young Ukrainians are dead and injured!

The_Deplorable says

Answer: Because all the young Ukrainians are dead and injured!

Dead/crippled or bribed their way of it or fled the country

socal2 says

A Ukrainian "win" is kicking Russian occupiers out of their country.

Ukrainians win when the US deep state gets out of their business.

Remind me what Hunter did for Burisma?

socal2 says

In virtually every war in human history, attackers have 3X the death toll as the defenders.

Isn't Russia defending eastern Ukraine?

socal2 says

One of the reasons why Ukraine pulled back on this Summer's counteroffensive because they could not run through human lives as Russia has.

And attacker's lose 3 times as many soldiers as defenders.

Onvacation says

socal2 says

A Ukrainian "win" is kicking Russian occupiers out of their country.

Ukrainians win when the US deep state gets out of their business.

Remind me what Hunter did for Burisma?

Why wouldn't Ukrainians and Russians want to find a solution for donbass and crimea and live in peace and prosperity through trade?

socal2 says

"In virtually every war in human history, attackers have 3X the death toll as the defenders."

And in Ukraine the attackers are the United States, NATO and Ukraine. That is why Ukraine lost over 500,000 men and counting. And that is why the various counteroffensives failed and more important, failed to drive the ethnic Russians out of the Donbass.

The_Deplorable says

Why is Ukraine pulling the disabled, the crippled and the aged off the streets to fight Russia?

Answer: Because all the young Ukrainians are dead and injured!

Onvacation says

Isn't Russia defending eastern Ukraine?

Up is down, black is white in Russian apologetics. Commies are great at inverting reality.

Ukraine are the invaders now!

Here is Russia doing some "defense" with another suicidal meat-wave Kamikaze charge on Ukrainian positions.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1740484352205894003

socal2 says

Onvacation says

Isn't Russia defending eastern Ukraine?

Up is down, black is white in Russian apologetics. Commies are great at inverting reality.

Russians getting ready to roll in their failed Ukrainian venture? I guess they have marinated the Ukrainian Slav Apocalypse enough? They seem to be stepping things up.

https://t.me/WW3INFO/31925

But just you wait. Ukraine has a bunch of those F-16's that are ready to take off (as soon as they Shanghai enough pilots off of Ukrainian streets).

Ceffer says

Russians getting ready to roll in their failed Ukrainian venture? I guess they have marinated the Ukrainian Slav Apocalypse enough? They seem to be stepping things up.

Russia working hard to replace the shit-ton of multi-million dollar tanks and APC's that Ukraine has destroyed with $1,000 FPV kamikaze drones?

How many tanks do you reckon Russia has lost so far?

socal2 says

Russia working hard to replace the shit-ton of multi-million dollar tanks and APC's that Ukraine has destroyed with $1,000 FPV kamikaze drones?

No. They are working hard to build up a shit ton of tanks and APCs for their 1 million well rested, often rotated from the front troops to use to pour into a near defenseless Ukraine in the coming future.

I notice how you don't mention arty. No big surprise, there. How many Ukeys have been slaughtered by Russian arty? You don't want to talk about that. Gets into the way of masturbating about shitty, downgraded F-16s that aren't going to accomplish shit.

It is the Russians destroying NATO shit with cheap drones. Them and a bunch of pirates called Houthi. Ukey drones are downed by Russian EW.

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RayAmerica says

But just you wait. Ukraine has a bunch of those F-16's that are ready to take off (as soon as they Shanghai enough pilots off of Ukrainian streets).

Are you saying crippled janitors can't fly an F16? How bigoted.

https://twitter.com/upholdreality/status/1744313678021660797

The_Deplorable says

https://twitter.com/upholdreality/status/1744313678021660797

But....

This thread gets more hysterical by the day. Russia got what they wanted in Crimea almost a decade ago. They built a bridge to it. They're absolute fucking morons trying to take land. This conflict isn't ending anytime soon. Anyone that cares simply doesn't understand the situation. There's no reason to care. NATO, EU and Europe's goal is to castrate Russia. So far a success. They give no shits about Ukraine.

You guys have to stop thinking this is Russia and Ukraine and who will "win" in the end. It's already over. We're actively killing Russians without sending troops. They don't have the demographics or intelligence to run their resources in Russia. Ukraine has nothing of consequence resource wise besides agriculture. We're killing Russians to fuck them over for decades and potentially a century.

We're shocked when we lose 200k jobs in a month. Those people can still work and are alive. The Russians are dead. And so are the Ukrainians. I don't get how anyone cannot see what this is truly about. We are killing Russia's future and doing it pretty damn well. Ukraine will be toast as well in the end. Who cares? They could have just played nice in the sandbox and agreed to a land acquisition deal that would have avoided all this. Nah, shoot and lob missiles at each other killing people. Low level intelligence.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/videos/world-news/ukraine-army-orders-50-000-women-uniforms-amid-anti-mobilisation-sentiment-russias-war-101704816430352.html

Ukraine Army Orders 50,000 Women Uniforms Amid Anti-Mobilisation Sentiment

The Ukrainian Defence Ministry is set to buy 50,000 sets of women's uniforms. The purchase will be the first such since the start of the conflict in February 2022. It came a day before an expected parliamentary vote on amendments to the law on mobilisation. The proposed changes in the Ukrainian Army have caused a public outcry. Watch for more.

"No reason to buy them tampons. They won't live long enough." The Moloch Slav Furnace continues.