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WookieMan says

This is like Texas invading the Southern portion of Arkansas and Arkansas is holding their ground. I don't care how much backing/fraud Ukraine gets, they have conceded nothing. And yes, they will lose.

Yep

Wow! Wookie and Socal agreeing!

Yep, playing battleship. But there is always the nuclear option. Do you have a punch line for that?

Poke the bear, poke the bear. And find out.

Or maybe just stop poking the bear?

The bear lives half way around the world. Why do we insist on poking the bear?

The bear is mean. But poking the bear is mean too. Don’t poke the bear!

PeopleUnited says

Yep, playing battleship. But there is always the nuclear option. Do you have a punch line for that?

Yes, it's called MAD. Look it up. Worked wonders for decades.

Onvacation says

Wow! Wookie and Socal agreeing!

I think we agree on most things other than Tesla.

Not a punch line, more like a wish. The problem is in the assurance, there is no assurance with leadership as weak and people incompetent in control. Plus, the imaginary retaliation might already be compromised by sabotage, spies, or hackers and so there is no assurance of anything. That is just one of many reasons why you don’t poke the bear.

socal2 says

Onvacation says

Wow! Wookie and Socal agreeing!

I think we agree on most things other than Tesla.

I agree with most here. Sometimes I feel like it's an echo chamber. I don't think EV's are the future, so eat shit on that ;). I think Russia is not winning. It's obvious Ukraine won't win. I kind of feel like this is obvious. Pick your pony I suppose. Both nations are fucked because of this. I dislike Russia more if I'm picking a side. They're both corrupt as fuck and stupid people made stupid decisions. This will go on for another century/lifetime/infinity.

PeopleUnited says

The bear lives half way around the world. Why do we insist on poking the bear?

The bear is mean. But poking the bear is mean too. Don’t poke the bear!

Agree we shouldn't be involved. I think you got the animal wrong. The mouse. Don't poke the mouse.

The Russian Navy Sucks - Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1eJT1Gffas

The Russian Navy Sucks - Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9TkPUXLgTk

The Russian Navy Sucks - Part 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ogb_ydFTa4A&t=7s

The Russian Navy Sucks - Part 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPMt6SfVcVo

The Russian Navy Sucks - Part 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucDZ2MxubeQ&t=2s

I would not completely discount the Russian military. They are not deploying the best of their forces.

I think because Putin figures he can drag out the war while using essentially just Reserve forces or the B-listers and not the A-listers.

WookieMan says

. I think you got the animal wrong. The mouse. Don't poke the mouse.

Well whatever animal you want to call them, their rockets have been giving our astronauts rides to and from the ISS ever since our fancy shuttle program was shuttered. (At least until Elon made his rockets available.) Elon and the Russians are better at rockets than the US government. So again, don’t poke the bear.

PeopleUnited says

WookieMan says

. I think you got the animal wrong. The mouse. Don't poke the mouse.

Well whatever animal you want to call them, their rockets have been giving our astronauts rides to and from the ISS ever since our fancy shuttle program was shuttered. (At least until Elon made his rockets available.) Elon and the Russians are better at rockets than the US government. So again, don’t poke the bear.

I don't know how to respond. Rockets are rockets. I'm glad our government stopped fucking around with them. Let Russia blow their money on it and we'll have private sector do the testing. I'm not seeing a problem here.

Russia is weak. It's 2024 almost. Launching a rocket has been trivial for 5 years. Musk has more launches than Russia by a long shot. I really don't get your point. I don't want my government spending money and running rocket launches. That's dumb.

ad says

They are not deploying the best of their forces.

The best of the Russian forces has been wiped out already.

WookieMan says

Rockets are rockets.

Yeah. It’s called rocket science. It not a trivial matter to blast a person into space and bring them safely home.

Any group/nation that can do that probably has some very competent engineers and other advanced technology, perhaps even expensive weaponry they are choosing not to waste in some border skirmish

For the most part they have been fighting and winning using Cold War era weapons even against more modern equipment and satellite/intelligence provided by the west.

Don’t mistake poor/corrupt leadership for incompetence or impotence. If that was the case the USA has nothing to boast about and is in great peril.

Russia's shitty performance in Ukraine is a great advertisement for the US leaving NATO.

With WW2 equipment and crosseyed, the material and manpower difference should have seen the Russians in Kiev in a week.

WookieMan says

PeopleUnited says

The bear lives half way around the world. Why do we insist on poking the bear?

The bear is mean. But poking the bear is mean too. Don’t poke the bear!

Agree we shouldn't be involved. I think you got the animal wrong. The mouse. Don't poke the mouse.

Russia Defense Spend 2023: $100 Bn (previous to War, <$60Bn)
USA Defense Spend 2023: $817 Bn!!!

rocketjoe79 says

WookieMan says

PeopleUnited says

The bear lives half way around the world. Why do we insist on poking the bear?

The bear is mean. But poking the bear is mean too. Don’t poke the bear!

Agree we shouldn't be involved. I think you got the animal wrong. The mouse. Don't poke the mouse.

Russia Defense Spend 2023: $100 Bn (previous to War, <$60Bn)
USA Defense Spend 2023: $817 Bn!!!

And? That's our defense budget and Russia's. Not getting the point?

We took out two nations in months and basically policed them for 2 decades and lost as many people as we did in Chicago over the same time period. Less actually. They were dumb wars, but we didn't lose them technically and they were across the globe. I don't know, I think almost $100B is more than $6B for Ukraine. My math could be wrong. By any metric both sides have lost waaaaay more than we did in Afghanistan or Iraq combined. This is a war of losers and idiots.

Comparing the budget numbers just means we have more money? Is that a complaint? If Russia cannot beat a neighboring country with $6B in defense spending, they're a paper tiger by default. They're losing men and have no clue how to keep their natural resources running. I don't care about our funding as most of that is going to corrupt Ukrainian oligarchs. Not weapons.

And as woke as our military is becoming and growing smaller, without nukes, we'd destroy Russia in a conventional war. 100%. China can at least send a hot air balloon over here. Russia cannot demolish its neighbor with supposedly the 2nd strongest military on the planet.

WookieMan says

Russia cannot demolish its neighbor with supposedly the 2nd strongest military on the planet.

Russia is the second strongest military...in Ukraine.

Booger says

WookieMan says

Russia cannot demolish its neighbor with supposedly the 2nd strongest military on the planet.

Russia is the second strongest military...in Ukraine.

And both of militaries fighting in Ukraine are weaker than Polish military by far.

A bit of fun reading from good old 2013:

The Russian fleet, which the day before conducted military exercises off the coast of Syria, was practicing intercepting cruise missiles with characteristics similar to American Tomahawk-type missiles. This is reported by the American portal about the US Marine Corps. According to the source cited by the authors, the Russians demonstratively conducted exercises and conducted part of the negotiations on open radio frequencies, showing that it was not difficult for them to destroy American missiles.

Meanwhile, the command of the Russian Navy did not provide any official information about the type of exercise.

Let us recall that the United States fears that Russia will transmit to Syria all information about the situation at sea and in the air, which will significantly complicate American aggression against Syria.

One of these days, the “aircraft carrier killer” missile cruiser “Moskva” will approach the shores of Syria, and in addition to it, the Black Sea Fleet patrol ship “Smetlivy” will approach the shores of Syria in the near future. On September 29, two more Black Sea Fleet ships will arrive in the area of the Syrian coast: the missile boat “Ivanovets” and the small missile ship “Shtil”. On Friday, a detachment of ships, including the BDK Novocherkassk (Black Sea Fleet) and Minsk (Baltic Fleet), as well as the reconnaissance ship Priazovye (Black Sea Fleet), passed the Dardanelles and became available to the command of the Mediterranean squadron, RIA Novosti reports. http:/ /telegrafist.org/2013/09/11/86228/

In any case, the Russian fleet, regardless of the surrounding situation, will scan the sea and air space in the area where the fleet is deployed. At the same time, as information has already flashed in the media, Russia, in theory, can transfer this information to the Syrian air defense.

Syria is armed with the latest Russian Pantsir-S1 air defense systems, which are capable of destroying American Tomahawk-type cruise missiles. The Pantsir air defense missile system was (and still is, apparently) designed primarily to combat incoming Tomahawk-type cruise missiles and low-flying (maneuvering) enemy targets that for some reason broke through the air defense barrier. Tests of the Pantsir have shown that the complex is capable of shooting down low-flying missiles, including at a record low altitude of 15 meters. http://telegrafist.org/2013/09/11/86228/

RED FLEET SO STRONK!

Another Russian ship sunk today! Ukraine used 4 drones to do it.

Poll: https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1757717161139646495

Ship built in 2021 just went down near Kerch bridge.

Minus 2 Ropucha-class landing ships...

When that bridge finally goes down there will be no way to resupply or even pull out the troops stuck on that peninsula ... scratch that ... island. Will the Reds cosplay Dunkirk then?

“ITS A LAND WAR!!”

socal2 says

“ITS A LAND WAR!!”

Yes. It is. Nice you came on board with reality.

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

socal2 says

“ITS A LAND WAR!!”

Yes. It is. Nice you came on board with reality.

I agree: it IS a land war now, but it didn't start like that. There was a serious threat of landing operation. No more. Then there was a naval blockade. No more. So one of the poisonous teeth have been completely removed from that Red snake.