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AmericanKulak says

Much of Ukraine was part of Imperial Russia long before 1919 and Stalin.

Much of the US Southwest was also part of Mexico not that long ago too.

Where do these arguments end?

Ceffer says

Ukrainian is hillbilly Russian. Everybody knows that.

Ukraine culture is as much different to Russia as is rednecks of Alabama are from Democrats in the white liberal enclaves on New England.

That is what Putin is trying to marginalize as far as his narrative of Ukraine essentially being the same as Russia.

And again, Ukraine language is about 30% different than the Russian language.

What is interesting is that the old Soviet Union use to emphasize the different cultures during its Victory Day parades. You'd have parade participants who would dress in their local culture clothing and display their cultural symbols in that parade.
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WookieMan says

There's a reason Putin hasn't been interviewed by others.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6840134/

GreaterNYCDude says

The truth is somewhere in the middle.

Not it isn't. Our media is complete propaganda, from either the left or the right. There's no truth in Western media at all. If you want actual information, you have to go to sources that source original information. Who in our media will point out that Ukraine was overthrown in 2014, explain that it was without doubt overthrown? Nobody will. Putin mentioned it in the interview with Carlson, but Carlson didn't press on it.

GNL says

WookieMan says

There's a reason Putin hasn't been interviewed by others.

What are you talking about?

Look at those babies. That's cute. Putin has been in power damn near 25 years. He's a dictator and ex KGB. Sure, go ahead and believe a thing that comes out of that guys mouth. No interest in war with Russia on my comment and he "says" he doesn't with us, but I don't buy a thing the dude says.

Just because Tucker interviewed him now makes him a valid leader? He's a fucking dictator. Dictators are awful for society outside of the Middle East where even then it's a shit hole.

There was no reason to invade Ukraine. It was poorly thought out. He fucked up and now he's trying to clean up the mess and the throw the US some biscuits. Clearly some people don't know what a dictatorship is. Half your life under the same "ruler" is normal? Fuck no. Putin is a piece of shit and Tucker is giving him air time to boost his brand since fire from Fox. It was a double whammy.

I'm not against Tucker. But he's not invincible to criticism. This was a move to build a brand. Putin knew the questions 100%. A former spy and politician in Putin, lol. You don't think that shit goes down in other countries like it does here?

richwicks says

GreaterNYCDude says

The truth is somewhere in the middle.

I agree as Putin lied by omission in some respects as far as Ukraine being independent culture and people. He left out how the Bolsheviks were sent to Ukraine to get them in line, but Putin did admit going back to 19th century that Ukraine "nationalism" has existed.

Let alone he seemed to forget about the Holomodor which caused a lot of Ukraine "nationalists" to become the "Nazis" of World War 2.

But Putin is right about NATO being on the +800 mile border with Russia. However, he is a trapped man despite what his espoused in his +1 hour long narrative.

He briefly said Russia since 1991 is a "new country" in regards to being more Western as far as economy and democracy. But he seems to only say that as some Trump card or get-out-of-jail-free-card.

Putin does not seem verbose, sincere or genuine (as he is with his +90 minute history lessons) and that is because he does not want to alienate his base (about 80% of Russians) who are as conservative as him.

Maybe Putin figures 20 years from now it will be a much different Russian demographic and less conservative.
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https://jameshowardkunstler.substack.com/p/eventful-events

Historians of the future, gathered round their campfires poaching armadillo tail-flaps in their own shells, will harken back to the wondrous day in 2024 when they could watch and compare two heads of great nations present themselves to the world for assessment. There was Mr. Putin of the land called Russia, calmly discoursing in fine detail on a thousand years of his country’s history. And there was Mr. Biden of the USA, facing the White House press pool, angrily refuting a special prosecutor’s glum conclusion that the President was not mentally competent to be tried in court on the finding that he’d indeed mishandled classified documents.

The contrast between the two figures might even alert the mandarins of our Ivy League that something has gone very wrong in this country for a decade or more, and could arouse suspicions among the faculties that they had been gulled into a false view of our recent history.

Patrick says

the mandarins of our Ivy League that something has gone very wrong in this country for a decade or more

Look at the Democrat arguments as far as before the Supreme Court. They were out of their element as far as trying to give a comprehensive and logical argument.

Why ? Because they been coddled in a justice system that is pro-Democrat and pro-left wing authoritarian. So they are not use to being outside their kangaroo court environment and their legal arguments being scrutinized.

Yes, another example of how "diversity" undermines competence.

UkraineIsFucked says

Yep. And here come the memes:

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Patrick says

the mandarins of our Ivy League that something has gone very wrong in this country for a decade or more

Look at the Democrat arguments as far as before the Supreme Court. They were out of their element as far as trying to give a comprehensive and logical argument.

Why ? Because they been coddled in a justice system that is pro-Democrat and pro-left wing authoritarian. So they are not use to being outside their kangaroo court environment and their legal arguments being scrutinized.

Yep.

Putin gives a perspective on Russian and Ukrainian history, with a dive into post-Cold War international politics as he sees it for 2 hours.

Meanwhile, Biden sounds like angry Grandpa denying that he left the Mr. Coffee on for days and claiming the sandwich covered in green fluff in the fridge, he made last night. He lasts a few minutes before storming off, returning to mix up the President of Egypt with Mexico, and storms off again.

"I don't need to go to the damn Assisted Living! You just want to sell my house!"

There’s a Minsk Agreement that NATO would not expand East, and Ukraine to remain neutral. NATO and Ukraine didn’t keep their promise. Ukraine allowed the US to build a military base next to Russia. Russia pleaded, but his plead felt in deaf ear so he had to act to protect his country and interests.

This reminds me of the Cuba missile crisis. How would the US feel if Canada and/or Mexico allows Russia, or China, to build a military next to the US?

I don’t like Putin and Xi. Dictators are my way or the highway. However, Putin made some good points. The US and NATO are not innocent. They have blood on their hands in this war. They blew up Nordstream and tried to blame it on Russia. It’s not entire Putin’s fault. He was pushed to invade to protect his country and interests.

Eman says

I don’t like Putin and Xi. Dictators are my way or the highway. However, Putin made some good points. The US and NATO are not innocent. They have blood on their hands in this war. They blew up Nordstream and tried to blame it on Russia. It’s not entire Putin’s fault. He was pushed to invade to protect his country and interests

Well, well, well. You and I are on agreement about something.

Whereas @socal2 on this issue is all...

Eman says

I don’t like Putin and Xi. Dictators are my way or the highway. However, Putin made some good points. The US and NATO are not innocent. They have blood on their hands in this war. They blew up Nordstream and tried to blame it on Russia. It’s not entire Putin’s fault. He was pushed to invade to protect his country and interests.

Or Putin could have just extracted the resources under his soil, paid for the Donbas and called it a day. Instead he went straight for the capital of Ukraine. Regardless of who was in charge it was a bull shit move and he failed. Russia looks like the ass in all this even though they'll get what they want. It was a massive embarrassment.

It was one of the worst executed military invasions in history. Russia was a dumb ass and announced it for months. They thought they'd just knock it out in a week. They got their asses handed to them. 2 years later.... war still goes on. For what? That region will be at war for a decade. Could have just bought it.

WookieMan says

Or Putin could have just extracted the resources under his soil, paid for the Donbas and called it a day.

You think all Russia wanted was the Donbass? Come on Wookie.

Kiev used to be the capital of Russia historically.
"The city is still considered a sacred place for all Orthodox Christians in Russia and Ukraine. It was also the first capital of the Russian State, which at that time was known as Kiev Russ. From Kiev you move to magnificent Moscow, the present capital of Russia and its business and cultural center."
https://www.studycountry.com/wiki/was-kiev-ever-the-capital-of-russia

GNL says

WookieMan says

Or Putin could have just extracted the resources under his soil, paid for the Donbas and called it a day.

You think all Russia wanted was the Donbass? Come on Wookie.

It's all they needed. That's why it was flipping stupid. I don't care if Ukraine is glassed over with a nuke. Russia and Putin look like an absolute idiot at this point. 100% failure. Not even debatable.

And yes, our own POTUS looks like a complete incompetent 99% of the time. So I'm not being a homer.

WookieMan says

GNL says

WookieMan says

Or Putin could have just extracted the resources under his soil, paid for the Donbas and called it a day.

You think all Russia wanted was the Donbass? Come on Wookie.

It's all they needed. That's why it was flipping stupid. I don't care if Ukraine is glassed over with a nuke. Russia and Putin look like an absolute idiot at this point. 100% failure. Not even debatable.

"It's all they needed."?
According to who? If you believe our own government isn't any better than Russia's, it should be clear why other countries, if they are able, to do things with a longer term view, perhaps?

LOL! Fake but fun? Putin as Emperor of the World?

https://t.me/STFNREPORT/27403

I guess some of the Ukrainians have spoken. They actually believe Putin and asked Zelenskyy to resign. He appears to be a puppet for the US.

https://x.com/liz_churchill10/status/1756138671269421563?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

https://x.com/melissalmrogers/status/1756151519748014578?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

Eman says

I guess some of the Ukrainians have spoken. They actually believe Putin and asked Zelenskyy to resign. He appears to be a puppet for the US.

He is a puppet. This has been known for 10 years at this point since 2014. The fact is Putin could have jumped on a plane to the US or invited Biden over. He's done neither and is pretending not to be a dictator in the Tucker interview. He's a piece of shit.

Russia is a shit hole. Ukraine is a shit hole. Russian resources go to a few oligarchs, same with Ukraine. There is no middle class. Everyone is legitimately poor. Two nice cities doesn't make a great country. They literally couldn't put Ukraine down in a week.... hell two years. Both countries are trash and so are their leaders.

Fact is Russia is losing a proxy war by any metrics. It should never have taken two years. It's going to go on for another 8. I swear no one on patnet or in the US truly understands what this is. Russia is losing and Ukraine is the pawn. Whether I agree with the tactic or not doesn't matter. The US is winning this war without boots on the ground. We could send just one carrier fleet into the black sea and wipe out half of Russia in a week now. Especially during winter.

Take out Crimea and Russia's other Black Sea ports and they're fucked from December to March or even longer. We are at war with Russia and Putin tried to seem like the nice guy in Tucker's interview. I don't think people understand the lose of life and resources this is causing Russia. They've been neutered.

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next election for President of Ukraine is this March but its postponed since martial law is in effect

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Ukrainian_presidential_election

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WookieMan says

The US is winning this war without boots on the ground. We could send just one carrier fleet into the black sea and wipe out half of Russia in a week now. Especially during winter.

I'm sure glad Wookie isn't in charge of US foreign policy, he'd have gotten a nuclear WWIII kicked off years ago.

WookieMan says

Russian resources go to a few oligarchs

And our one and only beef with this is, since Putin took over, they go to Russian oligarchs instead of 'our' oligarchs.
Oh, and some arcane ancient grievances that some of 'our' tribe of oligarchs have against Russia that will go on until they achieve Armagedon.

Poor Pooty-poot failed to impress:

Putin is... not someone who does a lot of interviews, well, really, ANY interviews, hasn't done an interview in almost four years. He's not good at explaining himself, I didn't think. [...] He's clearly spending a lot of time in a world where he doesn't have to explain himself. [...]

He didn't sort of lay out his case very coherently. [...]

[H]e's very wounded by the rejection of the West. [...] He didn't have a coherent theory, that he was willing to tell me, anyway, about why that is.

-- Cucker Tarlson

Cucker explains why pedo Pukin is kidnapping Ukrainian children by tens of thousands:

Russia's too big already! It's the biggest landmass in the world! They only have 150 million people [...] They don't have enough people, in their view.

-- Cucker Tarlson

It's so nice to have our own branches of Mockingbird agitprop repeating stations so we don't have to shuffle through the MSM.

GNL says

WookieMan says

The US is winning this war without boots on the ground. We could send just one carrier fleet into the black sea and wipe out half of Russia in a week now. Especially during winter.

I'm sure glad Wookie isn't in charge of US foreign policy, he'd have gotten a nuclear WWIII kicked off years ago.

Dude, Putin and Russia don't have the capabilities to even take out a land neighbor. They've lost major ships in a non-naval war. You think their nukes work? lol. Against Ukraine with old Western munitions. The war is a joke Putin will just keep throwing prisoners at.

They can't operate their facilities for oil and gas. I don't think anyone realizes the shit hole that Russia is. The demographic beating they're taking. Fact is we are in WWIII right now. They are conflicts in Isreal, Ukraine, Syria, Venezuela, Yemen and now Iran is getting into the mix. There is a global war. China is inching closer to Taiwan invasion.

I can't fucking stand Biden and won't vote for him (if he actually runs) but the DOD has seemingly done a good job for American interests without putting our guys on the ground We are 100% in WWIII already. It's a shit show. So far our involvement is money.

What we have is a Middle East going up in smoke because dumbasses like Kerry refuse to see actually want everytime we loosen sanctions and release money to Iran, the Ayatollahs and IRGC send much of it to their 3H club of proxies (Houthis, Hamas, Hezbollah).

Ukraine is a conflict that Cold War holdovers created.

We're running out of essentials like 155mm and we're responding to dirt cheap Russian ordinance with expensive missile systems. Houthis are attacking us with obsolete cheap systems, we're retaliating ineffectually with tip of the spear extra-expensive ordinance.

"Exhaust the enemy by striking with cheap shit, while he responds with his expensive systems. Use his MIC's greed against him."

The solution to Iran is easy: kill IRGC top leaders outside Iran and make them tremble with fear every time they leave their own country to help their proxies. Iran was using Obama's palettes of cash to terrorize Iraq through proxies. We killed Suleimani and the Iranians stopped cold in their tracks and did nothing of note for the rest of the Trump Administration.

WookieMan says

You think their nukes work? lol.

Riddle me this, Wookie...How come the US has never attacked a nuclear power? Why does the US only go after tiny 3rd world shit holes? And even then, they eventually give up and run? I admit, we pounded Iraq the first time around...with the help of almost the entire world.

Why does the US put so much effort into not allowing Iran or any other "our enemies" who don't want DEE Mockeracy?

Iran is full of whackos who want the Mahdi back. Iranian Influencers leave out the part where Iran is controlled by the fanatical IRGC who thinks the more chaos they create, the faster the Mahdi will emerge from the Holy Well of Qom

While having their propaganda accuse their enemies of trying to hasten the Apocalypse of John.

GNL says

And even then, they eventually give up and run?

Rules of engagement. Much of the time my dad was flying around Vietnam during the war he was only allowed to blow up egg plant fields. No reason to send our troops anywhere anymore unless/until that is waved. Puts our troops in a disadvantage.

Incidentally, we should have probably not engaged in any wars post Korea except for maybe beating back Iraq's invasion of Kuwait. Maybe not even that.

AmericanKulak says

Iran is full of whackos who want the Mahdi back.

Look at the uproar leading to the Islamic revolution there in 1979. So now advance forward from 1979, and you wonder what percentage of the population is militant there compared to 1979.

And also if you were to give a militant score with a 100 being assigned to the year 1979, what would be the militant score for Iran in 2024 ?

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WookieMan says

Dude, Putin and Russia don't have the capabilities to even take out a land neighbor. They've lost major ships in a non-naval war. You think their nukes work? lol. Against Ukraine with old Western munitions. The war is a joke Putin will just keep throwing prisoners at.

Of course they work. Why would he use them though, not only making Ukraine unusable but also stirring up a global nuke war. He actually wants to use crimea and donbass so he'll keep throwing military at it of which he has enough. And he's winning. Fact is 1st and 2nd world are quickly fusing together with the 1st world losing ground and the 2nd world gaining. Russia has been doing quite well under Putin.

When you can take pride in your leadership:

The Satanic Inversion Lie is now presumptive for all Western leaders and particularly ours. Great way to give complete credibility to your so called 'enemies', you scum sucking shitbirds.