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socal2 says

War is hell. Too bad Hamas still refuses to release hostages

This isn't war, and Hamas has repeatedly offered to release hostages in exchange for a ceasefire.

Israel doesn't care about the hostages and Hamas doesn't care about the people in Gaza really. You just can't seem to realize that.

socal2 says

Israel Has Created a New Standard for Urban Warfare. Why Will No One Admit It? | Opinion

I just attempted to post there, and it's just sent to the bit bucket and thrown away. Here's what I wrote:

We can no longer to trust Western media at all at this point, since their deception regarding the pandemic, or all the wars they have helped foster and support. Although this article speaks highly of Israel how can it be trusted to be accurate?

We have seen deception after deception in Western media. Weapons of mass destruction is the most famous one probably, but what about Qaddafi being "about to cause a humanitarian crisis"? That was a lie, and attacking Libya created a humanitarian crisis, precisely what our government claimed they wished to prevent. The US overthrew Ukraine in 2014, we know this with certainty, but nobody will report on this in "reliable sources", that's what caused the conflict in Ukraine, it began with a civil war. There's many examples.

If your organization will not point out these deceptions, you regulate yourself as a non credible information resource, and as a result, should be abandoned. For 30 years, we have had the Internet in wide mainstream use. You can make use of links, video, anything - there is no limit to size or bandwidth today. How am I supposed to draw the same conclusion that this author supposedly does without being able to verify their source of information? Not by faith.

The steadfast refusal of media to provide sources and to maintain a high degree of honesty, as well as their neglect in pointing out "misreporting" or outright falsehood and propaganda from our government, has doomed all of it.

I don't understand why people still continue to trust Western news media outlets. You can't even ask them about it. I'm certain they know they are dishonest, why don't you know they are?

It may seem like Abhrammic religions (jews, Christian n muslims) at constant war. If they are not killing n enslaving each other, then they are doing it to other religions n regions, but china with its atheist might change that. Each believes their God is only right so others are kafirs or infidels, n must be wrong so they need to be killed or converted or enslaved.

Let's say each has its own heaven n hell , then even if you ate goodvperson ,follow 1 of 3 religions, then you will end up in he'll of other 2 religion. So max probability is .33 of heaven. Since most people do many bad things over life, it's even smaller % . It's such that's you have be in hell of other 2.
Hitler really took care of jews. Most muslim nations kicked out all jews n other religion.

If you were not born into one of those religion then, all those going to he'll. Merciful God is making sure most ppl go n stay in he'll. Hmm

KgK one says

If you were not born into one of those religion then, all those going to he'll. Merciful God is making sure most ppl go n stay in he'll. Hmm

Religions may be erroneous but they do have centuries of creating social stability. Discarding that is dangerous, and we've seen this in Russia with the USSR and China during the 1950's. Millions were killed. Russia has had serious demographic problems, but their fertility rate is higher than ours is currently, and they are improving, I think in part due to the religious revival ongoing within Russia.

I think religion can be genuinely benign at least and very positive at times, and I have noted that people without it, some of them just go crazy. They NEED a touchstone, even if it's a false one. I am no longer of the opinion that truth or false is paramount. Many people cannot objectively look at their experience and imagine it without the dogma they were raised in but that dogma can be put to use for good work.

The alternative is to allow the state to be supreme in every sense, and I think that America's loss of religious values is causing turmoil in our nation right now.

richwicks says

This isn't war, and Hamas has repeatedly offered to release hostages in exchange for a ceasefire.

Hamas hasn't offered shit that is realistic. If they did, Biden and the Democrat ladies would be all over Israel forcing the ceasefire.

Besides, there is no conceivable ceasefire that leaves Hamas in charge.

Why do people like you continue to deny the obvious - that Hamas has totally lost......and is only prolonging the suffering by continuing to hide under women and children?

socal2 says

Hamas hasn't offered shit that is realistic.

Maybe so, but I'm tired of "Hamas refuses to release the hostages" as if they haven't made offers, repeatedly. What you said is factually incorrect, and it is tantamount to repeating propaganda.

socal2 says

Besides, there is no conceivable ceasefire that leaves Hamas in charge.

Look, Hamas has been funded by Israel for decades. It's like if the US setup a government in Iraq which they setup solely to create a purpose to attack, and they've done that. This is a similar situation.

Hamas is a guerrilla force and they exist because the conditions that Israel imposes creates a resistance. It wouldn't exist if it wasn't for constant unrelenting pressure by Israeli expansion. The West Bank laid down their arms 2 decades ago, and all its resulted is that Jewish settlements expanded and more Palestinians were displaced. Hamas isn't unaware of this. They feel they are facing forcible extinction and perhaps they are right.

socal2 says

Why do people like you continue to deny the obvious - that Hamas has totally lost......

There's no winning in this. Israel has finally exposed their true face to the world, practically the only support for Israel they have now is the United States, the rest of the world has condemned it.

Israel is supported and kept together by foreign influence and aid. Hamas is attacking that. It's not like when this current conflict is over Hamas expected to "win", this is a long term decades old strategy in effect. Just as Israel keeps bringing up the holocaust from the 1940's, 75 years ago, I can guarantee the progeny will remember this current slaughter in 2050 and so will the rest of the world and will point to this as a seminal event for whatever resistance there is then. Everybody in Gaza knows SOMEBODY that has been killed, more than 1% of the population has been killed in this conflict.

I'm impressed that people don't realize that other groups think in long term, intergenerational goals. This has been going on for a long time, and it's Israel that is facing a demographic and economic problem. If you destroy Israel's infrastructure they WILL collapse, that is not the case for Gaza, because they've lived without infrastructure for a long time. All Israel is doing is creating a long term enemy for future generations of Jewish people. Eventually, this Zionist push will be catastrophic for Jews, and your blind support of this thinking that eventually this will be solved in Israel's favor is delusional. There's only 10 million of them, they can be destroyed quite easily if Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon decide to do it. The only threat being floated by Israel to prevent this is the Samson Option, eventually if they continue to create havoc, the areas being attacked by Israel will figure they're all going to die anyhow, and have Israel take out itself. They'll have nothing to lose.

I don't think present day people in power recognize what the population has available to them:

"Here's my brother, right there, please bring him to me"

A Palestinian child begs the journalist to bring him his little brother after Israeli airstrikes separated them.


original link

The ability to record everything, forever. I think our media has killed Western civilization. IF it was possible to have gotten the truth out 20 years ago, we would have had to change course, but today, I think it's too late. We are now balls deep on this.

By supporting Israel unceasingly for decade after decade, when people finally recognize just what Israel really is there will be a backlash that I think will go to the point that I oppose it. People who talk about this situation and side with Israel, just honestly don't understand what is going on and has been going on for decades. When they finally find out, I guarantee most of them will be angry.

It took a good 10 years before people who supported the Iraq War that their position was wrong, it will probably take at least that long before Zionist supporters realize they were wrong - but we're getting uncensored information now. The bloodshed is too obvious and wide spread to confine it a mention on the back page of the NY Times.

richwicks says

They feel they are facing forcible extinction and perhaps they are right.

At some point this is the solution. This goes away when one side dies. As a country we've sunken too much money into either side. Let one side kill the other. Fuck it. That way we can argue about more important things domestically.

WookieMan says

richwicks says

They feel they are facing forcible extinction and perhaps they are right.

At some point this is the solution. This goes away when one side dies. As a country we've sunken too much money into either side. Let one side kill the other. Fuck it. That way we can argue about more important things domestically.

Look, the point I'm making is that we won't learn from this mistake. If the US didn't so slavishly support Israel, this would have been long ago resolved, maybe not without plenty of bloodshed, but resolved. When this resolves NOW it might be the extinction of an ethnic group. This would have been much better and amicably settled decades ago, but it's Israel that has refused to do it. They claim that they've offered a state, IF they did, they should have just said "You don't like what we're offering? Too bad, this is your state, and your borders" - they've had this ability for 40 years. They never intended a two state solution so this mess has been created where the Palestinians are packed in so tightly, and it's such bloodshed, that it's uniting the Shia and Sunni against the US and Israel.

If Israel exterminates the Palestinians, the Muslim world will not forget, and there's PLENTY of fodder to stoke up genuine anti-Semitism in the West today, not just the bullshit that the ADL pretends is anti-Semitism, I mean the actual real thing. If they drive the Palestinians to total destruction, there's going to be generations of Jewish people that pay for that, maybe with their extinction.

Anti-Zionists are equated with anti-Semites but for MOST anti-Zionists, they are trying to SAVE Jewish people from themselves. There's this myth that the "Jews and Muslims never got along", that is NOT true. Christians and Jews never got along, and now Muslims and Jews won't be able to get along as result of this conflict. I think it's too late to resolve this now. Israel keeps doubling down on stupid, and the rest of the world is watching what Israel claims is "the Jewish people" carrying out an extermination campaign. It's a pity that Israel insists on equating their crazy state with a religion - it will tarnish the religion for centuries, maybe even destroy it.

WookieMan says

Okay. So finally admit that it is religion. So the nearest neighbors are of the same sect of Islam. The religion of peace that won't even take their own in by a supposed enemy of the Muslim world.

Religion keeps the Middle East fractured, but only to a point. The Sunni and Shia will eventually recognize that they have bigger fish to fry than each other. The religion is used to purposely divide them and there's a lot of evidence that the British Empire broke up the Ottoman Empire with sustaining the conflict in mind to prevent reunification and make resource extraction easier.

Lebanon got along quite well, although the different religions kept to themselves. It used to be called the Riviera of the Middle East. I'm not precisely sure what happened, but I would bet a testicle that the Palestinian displacement was part of it.

Consider, say the Irish and English were somehow expunged from their land, and they ended up in the United States, poor and without shelter, after their economies had been disrupted for 50 years - how would the US react to that influx of immigrants? That's what a modern Palestinian coming out of Gaza is like. Anybody that could leave, did, decades ago.

I think we are witnessing an important event, and the idea that genocides were magically going to end because we finally grew up a bit as a species - that's a myth. We're just as brutal and nasty as we ever were. We might go through another insane event like WWI or II again. It's insane we can't learn from our past.

My frustration with this is that I can tell what will happen as a result of this, and few people can. We've seen the history countless times, and people make the mistake of thinking this time it's different. We're all going to be worse off because of this attempt. It's enormously frustrating to see the mistake being made, and it being actively propped up through propaganda and other shenanigans. If your government has to fucking lie to you to get support, they are doing something wrong. I can see when my government is lying to me now, and quite accurately and quickly, but I don't live among many people who do, despite their supposed education. It's maddening.

People inexplicably can't recognize patterns. What is happening now to S. Africa very well may happen in Israel, but far worse. There isn't going to be a detente with them of any sort not that there is in S. Africa, but when the snapback finally happens, it's going to be severe and it all could have been avoided if Israel was just a LITTLE reasonable, but they want all the land, and there's no negotiating with them on that issue.

BS The islamists refuse to share the land. There will be Islamic fighting and terrorism as long as there are islamists. Quit projecting Islamic demands on Israel. Israel is the nation that is, was and always will be the most hated people on earth. But to claim a people who have been persecuted by every dominant power (except USA) for thousands of years is a bully is pretty rich. Even for Richard Wicks. The nation of Israel even today is the last thing standing between the islamists and the west. Israel thankfully will NEVER be overcome by its enemies, but if Israel ever does cease to exist the God failed to fulfill His promise to them. That is why Satan and those who are blinded by Satan are hellbent on destroying and demonizing Israel. I speak of spiritual Israel, and not political Israel. I don’t suggest that the government of Israel is a recipient of God’s promises, but the descendants of Israel (Jacob) are.

PeopleUnited says

But to claim a people who have been persecuted by every dominant power (except USA) for thousands of years is a bully is pretty rich. Even for Richard Wicks.

It's not Israel that is the bully. The US is, Israel is just the instrument.

It's 10 million people, and they get 4 billion dollars a year in aid. They are supplied with the latest US military hardware, and they aren't even very good about keeping it a secret. The US still props them up, because "they're the most persecuted people in the world" - ARE they though, really?

If they were, there would have been exterminated a long time ago.

PeopleUnited says

The nation of Israel even today is the last thing standing between the islamists and the west.

WHAT are you talking about? They aren't a bulwark against that.

The US has created so much havoc in the Muslim world, that Muslims have moved into Europe and the United States IN FORCE to impose their belief system in the communities they reside in. Israel has done nothing to stop that, and likely the exacerbated it.

PeopleUnited says

That is why Satan and those who are blinded by Satan are hellbent on destroying and demonizing Israel. I speak of spiritual Israel, and not political Israel. I don’t suggest that the government of Israel is a recipient of God’s promises, but the descendants of Israel (Jacob) are.

It's just a religious book, as true as the Qu'ron is, or any other religious stuff. You can't be pulled out of that faith though at your age and think objectively. Abrahamic religions are political tools. They mean whatever they need to mean when it's convenient.

NuttBoxer says

What if some day those same personalities and their handlers decide you are are the worthless one.

The Leftist-Islamist alliance has already made that decision. It's just slower in the left via population replacement. Every Leftist's wet dream is to overlord it over a population as a Saviour-Dictator-God. Robespierre, Saint-Just, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot. It's agreed that Turd Worlders are better at being grateful obedient drones than Westerners.

Islamism in the next generation to come will take and hold territory, not just attack Cathedrals and Nightclubs.

There's a lot of alleged former Leftists that pretend to be Patriots but are deeply motivated by anti-Westernism and/or other ideas. One tell is that they never celebrate positive Western traditions , and only speak about Western mistakes in generally even-handed and liberal (in the classic sense of the word) governance and criticize the West.

richwicks says

they're the most persecuted people in the world" - ARE they though, really?

If they were, there would have been exterminated a long time ago.

Yes they are. And were they not protected by the God who wrote the book you dismiss, they would have been exterminated. But God... protected a remnant every time throughout history. Just as He promised.

PeopleUnited says

Yes they are. And were they not protected by the God who wrote the book you dismiss, they would have been exterminated. But God... protected a remnant every time throughout history. Just as He promised.

I have said multiple times I do not want to argue religion with you. Faith trumps reason, and I can only deal within reason and facts, not faith.

I would argue the most persecuted group.in the world today would be the native Americans or something like that.

richwicks says

most persecuted group.in the world today would be the native Americans

The indigenous were lied to and mistreated repeatedly. But nobody blames that people group for any problems but their own. Nearly everyone blames the Jews for everything from Covid, to wars, to taxes, poverty and hunger around the globe. Nearly everyone recognizes that the indigenous deserve a land of their forefathers but for the land of Israel’s descendants few find them worthy of this inheritance. Fortunately for the descendants of Jacob, God will keep his promise despite the humans who insist on hating Israel.

Don’t misunderstand, Israel has suffered judgment many times because they turned their back on God and perverted His doctrine into a man made religion. So Israel is worthy of judgement by God. But any man who curses Israel will reap the reward, just as God will bless any person who is a blessing to His people.

PeopleUnited says

There will be Islamic fighting and terrorism as long as there are islamists.

Sounds like Israel's government is on the right path for you then, as your statement obviously points to genocide as the only solution.

Remind me, who runs Pedowood, err Hollywood? Jeffry Epstein, what was his ethnicity? Maxwell? Who backed and funded them again..? Ohh yeah, according to Whitney Webb's three volume book, Mossad. But clearly as an American you have personal experience with Muslims that tell you they are the biggest threat? And OBVIOUSLY you've read through all the Israeli government and IDF evidence where they admit to shooting everyone on October 7th, indiscriminate bombing of women and children, posted video's of them sniping kids. And according to you Israel is lying about what Israel is doing.

Do I understand you correctly? Gotta say genocide isn't very Christian brother...

The @Wikipedia page for #AlShifaHospital has now been edited to remove the fact that tunnels were built under the hospital in 1983, by Israel. (Discussed in more detail this show: https://t.co/vIRE8N68wn) https://t.co/eWbYVYImr4 pic.twitter.com/SZK78QDTj7

— The Last American Vagabond (@TLAVagabond) November 22, 2023

Some of the worst atrocities committed by far:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/01/israeli-forces-withdraw-from-gaza-al-shifa-hospital-after-two-week-raid

NuttBoxer says

Some of the worst atrocities committed by far:

Very terrible that Hamas continues to commit war crimes by using hospitals, mosques and schools as military facilities.

The war would stop the moment Hamas frees the hostages and surrenders. But Western AWFLs, LGBTS, Antifas and anti-Semites continue to support Hamas fighting a losing war to the last Palestinian child.

Also got to laugh at your "Tunnel Trutherism".

Clown show......

Gaza: Truths Behind All the Lies
Victor Davis Hanson / @VDHanson / April 02, 2024

‘Occupied Gaza’
Prior to Oct. 7, there were roughly 2 million Arab citizens of Israel but no Jewish citizens in the Gaza Strip. Gazans in 2006 voted in Hamas to rule them. It summarily executed its Palestinian Authority rivals.

Hamas canceled all future scheduled elections. It established a dictatorship and diverted hundreds of billions of dollars in international aid to build a vast underground labyrinth of military installations.

‘Collateral Damage’
Hamas began the Israel-Hamas war by deliberately targeting civilians. It massacred them on Oct. 7 when it invaded Israel during a time of peace and holidays. It sent more than 7,000 rockets into Israeli cities for the sole purpose of killing noncombatants.

Hamas has no vocabulary for the collateral damage of Israeli civilians, since it believes any Jewish death under any circumstances is cause for celebration.

Hamas places its terrorist centers beneath and inside hospitals, schools, and mosques. Why? Israel is assumed to have more reservations about collaterally hitting Gaza civilians than Hamas does about exposing them as human shields.

‘Disproportionate’
We are told that Israel wrongly uses disproportionate force to retaliate in Gaza. But it does so because no nation can win a war without disproportionate violence that hurts the enemy more than it is hurt by the enemy.

The U.S. incinerated German and Japanese cities with disproportionate force to end a war both Axis powers started. In Iraq, the American military nearly leveled Fallujah and Mosul by disproportional force to root out Islamic gunmen hiding among innocents.

Hamas has objections to disproportionate violence—but only when it is achieved by Israel and not Hamas.

‘Two-State Solution’
Prior to Oct. 7, there was a de facto three-state solution, given that Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza were all separate states ruled by their own governments, two of which were illegitimate without scheduled elections.

It was not Israel but the people of Gaza and the West Bank who institutionalized the “from river to the sea” agenda of destroying its neighbor.

Israel would have been content to live next to an autonomous Arab Gaza and West Bank that did not seek to destroy Israel in multigenerational efforts to form its own “one-state solution.”

‘Cease-Fire’
The so-called international community is demanding Israel agree to a “cease-fire.” But there was already a cease-fire prior to Oct. 7. Hamas broke it by massacring 1,200 Jews and taking over 250 hostages.

Hamas violated that peace because it thought it could gain leverage over Israel by murdering Jews.

Hamas now demands another cease-fire because it thinks it is no longer able to murder more unarmed Jews. Instead, it now fears that Israel will destroy Hamas in the way Hamas sought but failed to destroy Israel.

Did Hamas call for a cease-fire after the first 500 Jews it massacred on Oct. 7?

‘Ramadan’
President Joe Biden believes that the Muslim religious holiday of Ramadan requires Israel to agree to a cease-fire.

But did either Hamas or any other Arab military ever respect Jewish—or even its own—religious holidays?

The Oct. 7 massacre was timed to catch Israelis unaware while they celebrated the Jewish religious holidays of Simchat Torah, Shemini Torah, and Shemini Atzeret on Shabbat.

Moreover, Hamas’ surprise attack was deliberately timed to commemorate the earlier sneak Arab attack on Israel some 50 years earlier.

On Oct. 6, 1973, the Israelis were the target of a surprise attack when celebrating the religious holiday of Yom Kippur. Arab armies also assumed they would achieve greater surprise when attacking during their own religious holiday of Ramadan.

So, Arab militaries fight opportunistically during Jewish holidays and their own Islamic holidays. Egyptians and Syrians still boast of their 1973 surprise attack on Israel as the Ramadan War.

Only Westerners, not Arabs, believe there should be no war during Ramadan.

‘Civilian Casualties’
Israel risks the lives of its soldiers to prevent civilian deaths. Hamas risks the lives of its civilians to prevent terrorists’ deaths.

Israel considers it a failure, but Hamas considers it globally advantageous, when more civilians die than its soldiers.

‘Foreign Aid’
The Biden administration threatens to cut off or slow-walk aid to Israel if it continues to retaliate against Hamas, even though Hamas started the war.

So the administration promises to give more aid to Gaza after the Oct. 7 Hamas massacres than it gave to Gaza before Hamas’ attack.

‘Prisoners’
The international community that favors Hamas nevertheless knows it would be safer to be a prisoner of Israel than of Hamas.

It knows women are not going to be raped in custody by Israelis, but are by Hamas. And the unarmed are more likely to be mutilated and decapitated by Hamas than Israelis.

Is the international community more likely to charge Israel than Hamas for war crimes because the Jewish state seeks to avoid civilian deaths that Hamas finds useful?

https://www.dailysignal.com/2024/04/02/gaza-truths-behind-all-the-lies/

NuttBoxer says

Do I understand you correctly? Gotta say genocide isn't very Christian brother...

There is a time and place for everything. I’m not saying genocide is right in this case, it’s not my call to make. But there are times when the enemy is too vile to let live. It’s why we have the death penalty.
Remember 1 Samuel 15:3 Brother.

PeopleUnited says

There is a time and place for everything. I’m not saying genocide is right in this case, it’s not my call to make. But there are times when the enemy is too vile to let live. It’s why we have the death penalty.

Bingo. This never ends. Hamas has literally called out Jews and wants to kill them all. I'll shrink it down. You threaten to kill my family I'll kill yours and all your relatives. I don't care the consequences. Someone needs to link where Isreal said they want to kill ALL Palestinians. It's doesn't exist. I'm 60/40. 60% for Isreal and 40% for Palestine. If there were a global vote to end this today, I'd vote Isreal. And NO, Isreal isn't some saint. The whole situation is a cluster F.

WookieMan says

Hamas has literally called out Jews and wants to kill them all. I'll shrink it down. You threaten to kill my family I'll kill yours and all your relatives. I don't care the consequences.

Are you then saying Nazi Germany was right in trying to kill all Jews in Europe because some Jews wanted to kill Germans?

Someone needs to link where Isreal said they want to kill ALL Palestinians. It's doesn't exist.

"From river to the sea" was literally in the founding charter of the Likud movement. Zionist territorial ambition for "Greater Israel" was/is from Nile to Euphrates. The current policy being implemented is actually starving all Palestinians in Gaza to death, just like Nazi policy towards the Jewish Ghettos during WWII.

I'm 60/40. 60% for Isreal and 40% for Palestine. If there were a global vote to end this today, I'd vote Isreal. And NO, Isreal isn't some saint. The whole situation is a cluster F.

That's why you are a slave / cattle to them. Why should there be any intervention from us beyond basic humanitarian aid? Any billions of dollars from us to help exterminate either group is going to have a significant portion laundered back into this country (the US) to buy politicians to enslave you and me! While those money launderers laughing all the way to the bank calling you dumb cattle! The conflict-prone colony location was deliberately chosen to launder money, harbor criminals and take tax-payer money from outside to enslave tax-payers like you as cattle (goy)! and turn your daughters into "unclean meat" (shiksa) for sexual exploitation!

PeopleUnited says

There is a time and place for everything. I’m not saying genocide is right in this case, it’s not my call to make. But there are times when the enemy is too vile to let live. It’s why we have the death penalty.
Remember 1 Samuel 15:3 Brother.

You do realize that meting out death penalty to an entire population for their ethnicity or religious affiliation (men, women, children "and all their livestocks") is literally Crime Against Humanity? or are you not aware?

@Reality - don't waste your time explaining reasoning or morality to them. Neither understand it.

socal2 says

‘Occupied Gaza’
Prior to Oct. 7, there were roughly 2 million Arab citizens of Israel but no Jewish citizens in the Gaza Strip. Gazans in 2006 voted in Hamas to rule them. It summarily executed its Palestinian Authority rivals.

Hamas canceled all future scheduled elections. It established a dictatorship and diverted hundreds of billions of dollars in international aid to build a vast underground labyrinth of military installations.

Do you want to apply the same standards to the Jewish inmates of Warsaw Ghetto in 1942-1943, before the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising? Do you think the Nazis were justified in trying to exterminate the Jews because the latter tried to build up some defenses and even got weapons for themselves after facing a blockade? Are you not aware that in international law, a blockade is an act of war? That's before we get into the details on who really were behind the attack, just like 9-11.

Reality says

Are you then saying Nazi Germany was right in trying to kill all Jews in Europe because some Jews wanted to kill Germans?

Your comparing apples to gorillas. The Holocaust is over blown, yet did happen. Not denying it. Isreal and Gaza is completely different. Germans aren't still looking to kill Jews. Hamas and Palestinians it is their life goal to kill Jews.

I frankly don't care. It's a bunch of people pissing on each other over below average land and fictional books. That's literally what this never ending conflict is. It's a waste of our time and money. Let them duke it out.

richwicks says

don't waste your time explaining reasoning or morality to them. Neither understand it.

Don't understand what??? Germans are still looking to kill Jews? News to me. Hamas and Palestinian's have been trying to kill Jews since I've been alive. I have no alliance to either party. This is just fact.

Reality says

Are you not aware that in international law, a blockade is an act of war?

Breaking a ceasefire to kill 1200 civilians and abduct for ransom a hundred or more is an act of war. And war crimes, too. They targeted the rave and the village full of civilians in advance.

Armies surround towns, cities, and fortifications they're going to besiege. It's about as normal as putting sugar in coffee. If you surround Caen or Warsaw or Manila or Fallujah that's totally beyond the pale, amirite?

Reality says

Do you want to apply the same standards to the Jewish inmates of Warsaw Ghetto in 1942-1943, before the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising?

The IDF didn't create areas and zones for civilians? Funny, there was plenty of video evidence they did so, plus plenty of radio, tv, leaflet, and speaker announcements for days, plural.

The Red Cross, which receives billions in funding from governments all over the world, is obligated under international law to check on POWs and kidnap victims. Yet only in Gaza do they refuse to carry out their international law and international tax-dollar mandatory mission to visit Israeli prisoners.

Reality says

Zionist territorial ambition for "Greater Israel" was/is from Nile to Euphrates.

And yet, they returned 2/3 of Israeli Controlled territory when they gave the Sinai back to Egypt, at a huge cost in defense depth. Having Sinai gave Israel some oil and minerals and the ability to contest the Suez at any time, and force the Egyptians to launch an amphibious attack everytime they tried to get at Israel.

Yet they gave it up for a peace treaty. It's almost as if they are willing to trade land for peace, so long as they are guaranteed peace.

The Oded plan, a flight of fantasy written by an ex-Intel civilian Israel in a newspaper in the early 1980s, is still trotted out 40 years later as "DA PROOF!!!" that Israel wants the whole Middle East. Never any public statement or leaked memo in the past couple of decades by an actual, i dunno, Israeli official.

Reality says

Are you then saying Nazi Germany was right in trying to kill all Jews in Europe because some Jews wanted to kill Germans?

Hamas runs Gaza. There will be no end of conflict until the last Hamas official surrenders power. There will be no bullshit that applies to Israel but no other combatant to save Ham-ass this time. The IDF will continue to go out of it's way to avoid civilian casualties. The jig is up. Hamas cannot control Gaza and there will be no end to the war until Hamas no longer controls Gaza, period, end of story.

All Hamas needs to do is surrender.

Were the Allies was wrong to demand the unconditional surrender of Germany and Japan in WW2?

"Nooooes, don't bomb da Dresden and da Hiroshima, muh civilian population" Of course, ignoring the Japanese atrocities against US, Filipino, Chinese, and British POWs and Civilians. And of course the German ones that started in 1939 during Fall Weiss. Or the German carpet bombings of Rotterdam in 1940.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cz%C4%99stochowa_massacre

In fact the worst of the massacres, that began within days of the invasion, were committed by Volksdeutsche Partisan units in and around Danzig.

Anyway, Hamas is done for, nobody cares what the State Department Internationalists think and the same deep staters who want Israel to give up are the same that created our shitty foreign affairs disasters from Afghanistan to our own Border.

All the anti-Zionists were jerking off a big load October 7th. Now they're throwing everything inc. the kitchen sink to keep Hamas alive. Tough shit, ain't happening.

Our great and wise foreign policy experts like to give histories of WW2 that leave out the Molotov-Ribbentropf Pact, which not only was the mutual, voluntary agreement of Stalin and Hitler - the latter came up with the idea - to divide Poland, but also was a massive trade agreement and split Eastern Europe into Soviet and Nazi spheres of Influence, which is why the Nazis didn't overtly aid Finland 39-40 as the Soviets had Finland in their agreed-upon sphere.

It's the same kind of Bitchute Bullshit history where Jews around the world boycotting the Nazis for closing down Jewish businesses and firing Jews from 100s of professions and the civil service is called an "Illegal Boycott" which is highly retarded.

That's like saying Tibetan or Turkic peoples all over the world are "commiting an act of war" against Communist China when they boycott their products over the Tibet or the Uighurs, therefore China can now enslave or kill 'em all without any limits because of the "Boycott".

Reality says

That's why you are a slave / cattle to them. Why should there be any intervention from us beyond basic humanitarian aid? Any billions of dollars from us to help exterminate either group is going to have a significant portion laundered back into this country (the US) to buy politicians to enslave you and me! While those money launderers laughing all the way to the bank calling you dumb cattle! The conflict-prone colony location was deliberately chosen to launder money, harbor criminals and take tax-payer money from outside to enslave tax-payers like you as cattle (goy)! and turn your daughters into "unclean meat" (shiksa) for sexual exploitation!

No mention that the US gives taxpayer money to Hamas every year, much of which is paid to dead or incarcerated terrorist families as a pension.

Meanwhile, the Arab population is exploding, they vote hardline Democrat and for the Left, they fight any and all commonsense immigration restrictions tooth and nail, and all the Pro-Pali marches are full of Pink and Purple haired trannies and Social Justice Warriors. And they all push the Anti-Western "Muh Colonialism" crap in schools and universities.

In fact, Arabs got the Biden regime to stop counting them as "White", which is ironic because the first Syrian Immigrants in the 1940s fought to be counted as "White". No more bennies for being White, Arabs now demand to be non-White to get bennies.

If you want to know who controls the media, is responsible for woke, as which country became the major financier and ticket buyer of Hollywood around 2010-2012? And why the Dalai Llama disappeared from Media.

NuttBoxer says

Is killing millions of innocent people really about a few Jewish hostages? Not hard to answer if you remove emotion..

I guarantee if Pakistan or Sikh Terrorists killed 1200 civilians and kidnapped a hundred and more from India, the Indians wouldn't hold back.

That's 1200 in a country of about a billion. Israeli having a few million.

The West has been so pussified that we're like "Oh no, you can't invade a city run by a terrorist group because they killed 1200 people and abducted as hostages 100+ more civilians".

The British and French burned entire provinces to the ground over shit like that.

What's great is that Hindus know exactly what Israel is going through because by pure chance and coincidence, the same shit happens over their border with Pakistan for 60+ years. And everytime India is about to implement a permanent solution in Pakistan, all the Muslim countries at the UN demand an immediate ceasefire and threaten oil production halts and/or embargoes until poor Pakistan the Instigator has the foot off it's neck.

WookieMan says

Isreal

This is a minor nitpick, but you are misspelling Israel consistently. You are reversing the a and e and it's driving me crazy.

Reality says

PeopleUnited says

There is a time and place for everything. I’m not saying genocide is right in this case, it’s not my call to make. But there are times when the enemy is too vile to let live. It’s why we have the death penalty.
Remember 1 Samuel 15:3 Brother.

You do realize that meting out death penalty to an entire population for their ethnicity or religious affiliation (men, women, children "and all their livestocks") is literally Crime Against Humanity? or are you not aware?

The God of Heaven determines what is just and unjust. Or are you not aware?

richwicks says

WookieMan says

Isreal

This is a minor nitpick, but you are misspelling Israel consistently. You are reversing the a and e and it's driving me crazy.

It's an autocorrect thing for whatever reason. If I don't get the red line underneath I keep going. My most common mistake I notice is your. I miss or forget hitting the R at the end so it ends up say you. I ain't perfect, but I do rely on tech to keep me in line and sometimes that's wrong. Or it might be because I believe Isreal is a name for people and not the country, obviously. Whatever, I'm an insomniac that gets little sleep. I will fuck up.

PeopleUnited says

There is a time and place for everything. I’m not saying genocide is right in this case, it’s not my call to make. But there are times when the enemy is too vile to let live. It’s why we have the death penalty.
Remember 1 Samuel 15:3 Brother.

So you know, for a fact, that God told the government of Israel to exterminate all residents of Gaza? The fucking balls on you to even intimate such an idea.

The death penalty you are referring to is setup by the government, under law. Hence you are using the fallacy of law = morality. You want to talk about when it's ok to kill in general, couch in those terms, not the governments.

If anyone's not familiar, he's referencing scripture where God commanded Amalek and his people be wiped out. This did happen a few other times in the Bible, notably during the Hebrews conquest of Canaan, The Flood, and Sodom and Gomorrah. The groups targeted by God practiced immorality on the Epstein level. Rampant sodomy/rape, and sacrificing their own children to false gods. I have not heard of any such tails coming out of Gaza.

Further, Christ clearly shifted the approach from punishment to reconciliation. See the Beatitudes. Your zero grace approach is more in line with the Pharisee's, who prevented healing on the Sabbath.

You will answer to God for your blasphemy, and worshiping at the false idol of government over God.