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Reality says

Zionist territorial ambition for "Greater Israel" was/is from Nile to Euphrates.

And yet, they returned 2/3 of Israeli Controlled territory when they gave the Sinai back to Egypt, at a huge cost in defense depth. Having Sinai gave Israel some oil and minerals and the ability to contest the Suez at any time, and force the Egyptians to launch an amphibious attack everytime they tried to get at Israel.

Yet they gave it up for a peace treaty. It's almost as if they are willing to trade land for peace, so long as they are guaranteed peace.

The Oded plan, a flight of fantasy written by an ex-Intel civilian Israel in a newspaper in the early 1980s, is still trotted out 40 years later as "DA PROOF!!!" that Israel wants the whole Middle East. Never any public statement or leaked memo in the past couple of decades by an actual, i dunno, Israeli official.

Reality says

Are you then saying Nazi Germany was right in trying to kill all Jews in Europe because some Jews wanted to kill Germans?

Hamas runs Gaza. There will be no end of conflict until the last Hamas official surrenders power. There will be no bullshit that applies to Israel but no other combatant to save Ham-ass this time. The IDF will continue to go out of it's way to avoid civilian casualties. The jig is up. Hamas cannot control Gaza and there will be no end to the war until Hamas no longer controls Gaza, period, end of story.

All Hamas needs to do is surrender.

Were the Allies was wrong to demand the unconditional surrender of Germany and Japan in WW2?

"Nooooes, don't bomb da Dresden and da Hiroshima, muh civilian population" Of course, ignoring the Japanese atrocities against US, Filipino, Chinese, and British POWs and Civilians. And of course the German ones that started in 1939 during Fall Weiss. Or the German carpet bombings of Rotterdam in 1940.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cz%C4%99stochowa_massacre

In fact the worst of the massacres, that began within days of the invasion, were committed by Volksdeutsche Partisan units in and around Danzig.

Anyway, Hamas is done for, nobody cares what the State Department Internationalists think and the same deep staters who want Israel to give up are the same that created our shitty foreign affairs disasters from Afghanistan to our own Border.

All the anti-Zionists were jerking off a big load October 7th. Now they're throwing everything inc. the kitchen sink to keep Hamas alive. Tough shit, ain't happening.

Our great and wise foreign policy experts like to give histories of WW2 that leave out the Molotov-Ribbentropf Pact, which not only was the mutual, voluntary agreement of Stalin and Hitler - the latter came up with the idea - to divide Poland, but also was a massive trade agreement and split Eastern Europe into Soviet and Nazi spheres of Influence, which is why the Nazis didn't overtly aid Finland 39-40 as the Soviets had Finland in their agreed-upon sphere.

It's the same kind of Bitchute Bullshit history where Jews around the world boycotting the Nazis for closing down Jewish businesses and firing Jews from 100s of professions and the civil service is called an "Illegal Boycott" which is highly retarded.

That's like saying Tibetan or Turkic peoples all over the world are "commiting an act of war" against Communist China when they boycott their products over the Tibet or the Uighurs, therefore China can now enslave or kill 'em all without any limits because of the "Boycott".

Reality says

That's why you are a slave / cattle to them. Why should there be any intervention from us beyond basic humanitarian aid? Any billions of dollars from us to help exterminate either group is going to have a significant portion laundered back into this country (the US) to buy politicians to enslave you and me! While those money launderers laughing all the way to the bank calling you dumb cattle! The conflict-prone colony location was deliberately chosen to launder money, harbor criminals and take tax-payer money from outside to enslave tax-payers like you as cattle (goy)! and turn your daughters into "unclean meat" (shiksa) for sexual exploitation!

No mention that the US gives taxpayer money to Hamas every year, much of which is paid to dead or incarcerated terrorist families as a pension.

Meanwhile, the Arab population is exploding, they vote hardline Democrat and for the Left, they fight any and all commonsense immigration restrictions tooth and nail, and all the Pro-Pali marches are full of Pink and Purple haired trannies and Social Justice Warriors. And they all push the Anti-Western "Muh Colonialism" crap in schools and universities.

In fact, Arabs got the Biden regime to stop counting them as "White", which is ironic because the first Syrian Immigrants in the 1940s fought to be counted as "White". No more bennies for being White, Arabs now demand to be non-White to get bennies.

If you want to know who controls the media, is responsible for woke, as which country became the major financier and ticket buyer of Hollywood around 2010-2012? And why the Dalai Llama disappeared from Media.

NuttBoxer says

Is killing millions of innocent people really about a few Jewish hostages? Not hard to answer if you remove emotion..

I guarantee if Pakistan or Sikh Terrorists killed 1200 civilians and kidnapped a hundred and more from India, the Indians wouldn't hold back.

That's 1200 in a country of about a billion. Israeli having a few million.

The West has been so pussified that we're like "Oh no, you can't invade a city run by a terrorist group because they killed 1200 people and abducted as hostages 100+ more civilians".

The British and French burned entire provinces to the ground over shit like that.

What's great is that Hindus know exactly what Israel is going through because by pure chance and coincidence, the same shit happens over their border with Pakistan for 60+ years. And everytime India is about to implement a permanent solution in Pakistan, all the Muslim countries at the UN demand an immediate ceasefire and threaten oil production halts and/or embargoes until poor Pakistan the Instigator has the foot off it's neck.

WookieMan says

Isreal

This is a minor nitpick, but you are misspelling Israel consistently. You are reversing the a and e and it's driving me crazy.

Reality says

PeopleUnited says

There is a time and place for everything. I’m not saying genocide is right in this case, it’s not my call to make. But there are times when the enemy is too vile to let live. It’s why we have the death penalty.
Remember 1 Samuel 15:3 Brother.

You do realize that meting out death penalty to an entire population for their ethnicity or religious affiliation (men, women, children "and all their livestocks") is literally Crime Against Humanity? or are you not aware?

The God of Heaven determines what is just and unjust. Or are you not aware?

richwicks says

WookieMan says

Isreal

This is a minor nitpick, but you are misspelling Israel consistently. You are reversing the a and e and it's driving me crazy.

It's an autocorrect thing for whatever reason. If I don't get the red line underneath I keep going. My most common mistake I notice is your. I miss or forget hitting the R at the end so it ends up say you. I ain't perfect, but I do rely on tech to keep me in line and sometimes that's wrong. Or it might be because I believe Isreal is a name for people and not the country, obviously. Whatever, I'm an insomniac that gets little sleep. I will fuck up.

PeopleUnited says

There is a time and place for everything. I’m not saying genocide is right in this case, it’s not my call to make. But there are times when the enemy is too vile to let live. It’s why we have the death penalty.
Remember 1 Samuel 15:3 Brother.

So you know, for a fact, that God told the government of Israel to exterminate all residents of Gaza? The fucking balls on you to even intimate such an idea.

The death penalty you are referring to is setup by the government, under law. Hence you are using the fallacy of law = morality. You want to talk about when it's ok to kill in general, couch in those terms, not the governments.

If anyone's not familiar, he's referencing scripture where God commanded Amalek and his people be wiped out. This did happen a few other times in the Bible, notably during the Hebrews conquest of Canaan, The Flood, and Sodom and Gomorrah. The groups targeted by God practiced immorality on the Epstein level. Rampant sodomy/rape, and sacrificing their own children to false gods. I have not heard of any such tails coming out of Gaza.

Further, Christ clearly shifted the approach from punishment to reconciliation. See the Beatitudes. Your zero grace approach is more in line with the Pharisee's, who prevented healing on the Sabbath.

You will answer to God for your blasphemy, and worshiping at the false idol of government over God.

PeopleUnited says

The God of Heaven determines what is just and unjust. Or are you not aware?

Right, and He's made it clear in the Bible that love is the greatest commandment. And He certainly doesn't need any more Jim Jones death cult priests like you...

NuttBoxer says

Further, Christ clearly shifted the approach from punishment to reconciliation. See the Beatitudes. Your zero grace approach is more in line with the Pharisee's, who prevented healing on the Sabbath.

Does ANY of this apply to the Palestinians?

I can point to hundreds of examples of Israelis from Likud to Labor parties practicing grace and reconciliation trying to work for a 2 State solution in the past 50+ years including massive land concessions (Sinai, Gaza, Lebanon...), massive and lopsided prisoner exchanges, massive aid and infrastructure programs and allowing Palestinians to enter Israel to work and access hospitals.....

Can you point to even 2 examples of major concessions Palestinian leadership have made in the last 20 years to try and reconcile with their Jewish neighbors? Certainly Hamas has made no concessions as their main goal is the total destruction of Jews in Israel.

Son of top Hamas commander telling this stupid Western AWFL what's up. He even mocks this poseur wearing the Kayiffa - which is nothing but a hipster swastika.

https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1775870570589986874

"Fatah Spokesman Dr. Jamal Nazzal: Hamas Is Inciting the Public against the Jordanian Government; Iran Is Creating Dens in the West Bank, Gnawing at Us Like a Mite So the Palestinian Authority Collapses – Just Like It Is Doing in Syria, Iraq, and Yemen #Fatah #Hamas #Jordan #Iran #Palestinians"
https://twitter.com/MEMRIReports/status/1775839995049197713

"Palestinian radicals are now shifting from attempting to annihilate #Israel to occupying and destroying all of Jordan and the Levant. #Hamas terrorists in #Gaza, and their supporters worldwide, pose a threat not only to Jewish people but to the entire Middle East and the West."
https://twitter.com/amjadt25/status/1775544309544018137

socal2 says

Can you point to even 2 examples of major concessions Palestinian leadership have made in the last 20 years to try and reconcile with their Jewish neighbors?

Palestinians haven't gained any land in 75 years. Israel has.

When the settlements from Gaza were removed, every single one of those settlements were moved to the West Bank, at US taxpayer expense.

richwicks says

socal2 says

Can you point to even 2 examples of major concessions Palestinian leadership have made in the last 20 years to try and reconcile with their Jewish neighbors?

Palestinians haven't gained any land in 75 years. Israel has.

When the settlements from Gaza were removed, every single one of those settlements were moved to the West Bank, at US taxpayer expense.

I don't like the money spent, but who cares when 50% of people basically pay no tax towards it. I don't get involved in my local neighbors quarrels with each other. I especially don't do it in Texas or Florida from Illinois. Let them figure out their fucking issues. Religion can get fucked. Both sides need to stop being douche bags. I lean a touch towards one side, but both are fucking idiots. So this will never end.

Under every conceivable 2-State solution deal, there will be adjustments to existing borders and settlements to account for demographic reality.

For instance, not a single Jew will be allowed to live in Gaza, while over 2 million Arabs will get to live and benefit of living in Israel proper with all the rights of Israelis.

There will undoubtedly be some expansion of settlements in the West Bank as Israel swaps out other land given to Palestinians.

The Palestinians would have MUCH more land had they agreed to the initial UN partition and subsequent peace offers instead of starting and dramatically losing several wars and terrorist campaigns over the past 75 years.

socal2 says

The Palestinians would have MUCH more land had they agreed to the initial UN partition and subsequent peace offers instead of starting and dramatically losing several wars and terrorist campaigns over the past 75 years.

While your logic makes sense, they want to kill Jews and they say as much. There's no end to this until there's an "end" and I think you know what I mean. One side is going to wipe the other out. That's the only way. I don't get punched in the face 5 times and just stand there. Palestinians and Hamas are not realistic. Won't cooperate. We're at the point the discussion is over. Someone needs to come out ahead and end this shit. I think Israel is at that point. (I got it right Kulak. Lol)

WookieMan says

I don't like the money spent, but who cares when 50% of people basically pay no tax towards it.

US support of Israel is contingent on a constant barrage of propaganda, which exists through taxation. Money from the US is sent to Israel in terms of "aid", which is then used to bribe our "congressmen", and to purchase and setup "information" outlets.

These information outlets which are at least in part owned by Zionists and certainly do their bidding with regard to the Israeli project, are starting to fail, so as a result, they are the ones pushing for censorship, they are the ones screaming about white supremacists, they are the ONE of the groups stirring up all this racial hatred and nonsense.

The right thing to do is very obvious, it's been the right thing to do decades ago. Allow Israel to survive or die on its own don't prevent aid or money being sent to either side, stay out of it. But if I send a $1 to Gaza, I'm a terror watch list. I'm already regularly censored on Google. I've had the FIB show up at my fucking door, no shit, I'm not allowed to speak. I've dealt with people and groups trying to intimidate me.

You see, if you're a good little slave, or you're oblivious, or you simply don't care - you'll be left alone but I'm frequently over the target. When I was young, I wanted to understand how the world works, and now I know. It doesn't give me any power to understand power, but I see how it's obtained. Most people are barely human, and they are easily manipulated even when the manipulation is obvious. People's support of Israel is ONE example of this manipulation. You have been made to accept absurdities and you're a passive part of an atrocity.

WookieMan says

There's no end to this until there's an "end" and I think you know what I mean.

Yes - there will be some "ethnic cleansing" like what happened to millions of Greeks, Jews, Germans, Russians, Indians, Pakistanis, Ukrainians and Christian minorities stuck living in Islamic dominated shitholes after WWI and WWII.

Hamas' attack on 10/7 was designed to ruin peace and reconciliation for a generation.

Mission accomplished!

But as usual, the Islamists are total pussies and don't know how to fight without hiding behind women and children. So the Islamists are counting on once again for woke Western AWFLS and Liberals to bail them out of the mess they created.

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richwicks says

There was no peace, idiot.

So Trump's Abraham Peace accords between Gulf Arabs and Israel was fiction?

If you weren't a conspiracy loon - you would know that Iranian Shias (Hamas main backer) were terrified the Sunni world would finally normalize relations with Israel so Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis with Iran's help created the current shit storm.

We can disagree without attacking the other person. But personally, I find it better to use the ignore feature for people who don't research, only spout opinion, and advocate violence against women and children.

socal2 says

So Trump's Abraham Peace accords between Gulf Arabs and Israel was fiction?

It's just a goddamned piece of paper.

Settlements have never stopped expanding, people were killed all the time.

You never hear about Palestinians being killed, because you don't actually make the slightest bit of effort to get any information beyond what you are fed as propaganda. You make no effort, so you think just because some stupid piece of paper exists, it means something.

It's against the law for the United States to provide aid to any nation that has nuclear weaponry and refuses to sign the NNPT. It's illegal for Hunter Biden to use crack. It's illegal to murder people for revenge by any organization, like Seth Rich was murdered, that falls under RICO.

It's just not enforced and you don't realize it's not enforced because you put in ZERO effort to know what is going on, so you just make proclamations about "Hamas broke the peace", having no idea there was never any peace.

Don't you ever wonder why you're ignorant or even that you MIGHT be ignorant? Do you care? I bet no. You likely feel you're in the majority, the majority must be right, and you don't have to worry that your nation has been supporting a systemic evil for your entire lifetime which you could never be bothered to learn about, and there's the added benefit in that if you DID know, you wouldn't only find yourself complicit, but silent as well.

NuttBoxer says

We can disagree without attacking the other person. But personally, I find it better to use the ignore feature for people who don't research, only spout opinion, and advocate violence against women and children.

All my life Israel has been expanding, they started out as a terrorist entity. There's the Sargent's Affair, the Lavon Affair, the bombing of the King David Hotel, the murder of Count Bernadotte, creation of 2 million refugees in 2 years, constant settlement expansion, murders year after year Rachael Corrie being a memorable one, over 70 journalists have been killed by the IDF in this conflict, and now there's the World Central Kitchen drone strikes where they didn't just bomb one vehicle, but two, and when they were trying to move the injured to a 3rd, bombed THAT vehicle, finally killing them all.

AFTER they cleared this with the IDF, had logos painted on the top of their vehicles, and announced their route.

People who are like "well, Israel has a right to defend itself", are idiots at this point. It's like saying "well, we couldn't wait for the final proof to come in the form of a mushroom cloud after all!" in 2008.

There is a clear, obvious, history here and what will happen in the future is what happened in the past, and if you can't learn from the past..

@socal2 isn't making an error out of ignorance at this point, he's a propagandist and a liar. He can't be corrected, just as you can't wake a person that pretends to sleep. He knows what is true, he's just trying to deceive others. In your opinion is this a moral way to live?

richwicks says

socal2 says

So Trump's Abraham Peace accords between Gulf Arabs and Israel was fiction?

It's just a goddamned piece of paper.

It was formal and historic peace accord that re-established flights, commerce and formal government relations between Israel, UAE, Bahrain and Morocco. It was widely expected that Saudi Arabia was going to sign on next. And all this happened after Trump moved the US embassy to Jerusalem and took our Iran's top terrorist general.

But then we got Joe Biden and he decided to ditch the Sunnis and pick back up where Obama left us kissing up to the Shias in Iran.

And here we are with the Region on fire.

richwicks says

socal2 isn't making an error out of ignorance at this point, he's a propagandist and a liar. He can't be corrected, just as you can't wake a person that pretends to sleep. He knows what is true, he's just trying to deceive others. In your opinion is this a moral way to live?

I will proudly admit that I like Jews and Christians 1000X more than Muslims.

I see the majority of Muslim nations as primitive, barbaric, and bigoted that treat their own people like garbage and constantly fight with their non-Muslims neighbors.

I have seen how Islam has driven out virtually every last ancient Christian, Hindu, Baha'i, Yezidi, Animist and Jewish community out of the Middle East in the last 50 years. My home town in SoCal is filled with refugees from Islamic extremism.........including secular and moderate Muslims.

Yet fucking morons in the West are going ape-shit that Jews in Israel refuse to be wiped out like the rest of non-Muslim religious minorities - making ludicrous claims that tiny Israel is somehow expansionist trying to hang onto a tiny potato chip size of land in the Region.

socal2 says

I see the majority of Muslim nations as primitive, barbaric, and bigoted that treat their own people like garbage and constantly fight with their non-Muslims neighbors.

Your entire opinion is based on what the propaganda box tells you to think.

socal2 says

I have seen how Islam has driven out virtually every last ancient Christian, Hindu, Baha'i, Yezidi, Animist and Jewish community out of the Middle East in the last 50 years.

What happened 75 years ago?

Why do you think for over a 1000 years ago, they weren't driving these people out?

Are you certain they are being driven out by Muslims, or do you think external factors may be at play? What has changed?

socal2 says

Yet fucking morons in the West are going ape-shit that Jews in Israel refuse to be wiped out like the rest of non-Muslim religious minorities

Israel will wipe out the Palestinians, and the US will be complicit, and it will create centuries of hatred and resentment.

You only can see in your immediate scope through a television box. What will be the result of this in 200 years?

Europe, for over 1000 years isolated the Jewish population, and their breakout was around the 1500's where a small sect of them became influential bankers, because they could be bankers, Christians couldn't because usury was barred.

The enmity of the Christian nations will return, especially given that Europe has been intentionally over-run by Muslims. The long standing detente between Jews and Muslims will end, perhaps permanently.

We are at a unique point in history where "authorities" can no longer control the current narrative and without that ability, they can't control history either. This current action by Israel will not be whitewashed.

socal2 says

making ludicrous claims that tiny Israel is somehow expansionist

HAHAHA. I don't think you can possibly be as ignorant as you appear. This is Frank Luntz type of reasoning. Zionist apologetics. "What? US expanding??" Well, they will take over Gaza, at least 1/2 of it this time around, and they will continue to expand into the West Bank. They've already seized the Golan and it's defacto a part of Israel now.

I honestly can't take you seriously. I can't imagine you actually believe what you are saying. I don't believe it. Nobody can be that ignorant and be talking about this subject.

NuttBoxer says

So you know, for a fact, that God told the government of Israel to exterminate all residents of Gaza?

Can you read? I said I don’t know what is right in this case.

I’m not advocating for genocide. That being said, the scripture I quoted was a record of God doing just that. God also killed every ma, woman and child and nearly every land animal in the literal worldwide flood. God does not want genocide, but sometimes it is the only way to save the remnant from the evil doers.

NuttBoxer says

You will answer to God for your blasphemy, and worshiping at the false idol of government over God.

Be careful when making accusations, especially false ones. Brother.

NuttBoxer says

Right, and He's made it clear in the Bible that love is the greatest commandment.

Israel, the people (not the government) has a right to exist. This means they have a right to defend themselves against an enemy that has both threatened and acted to fulfill the threats to kill every Jew. Furthermore It’s ridiculous to hold Israel to the standard of Jesus when they are essentially being stoned to death by their neighbors who are acting more like Pharisees than the modern Jews. You can’t expect Israel to turn the other cheek, they haven’t even met Jesus yet, let alone learned to follow him. But Jesus is coming again soon to convert Israel and judge the world.

Nuttboxer has forgotten Genesis 12:3 among many other promises of God.

richwicks says

What happened 75 years ago?

Why do you think for over a 1000 years ago, they weren't driving these people out?

Are you certain they are being driven out by Muslims, or do you think external factors may be at play? What has changed?

You really think the existence of a few million Jews in Israel is somehow causing Muslims in Africa like Boko Haram to massacre Christian girls in schools and taking them as sex slaves?

How about all the fighting in Sudan the past 20 years?

Kashmir? You think Israel has anything to do with the fighting between Muslims and Hindus on the Indian continent?

How about East Timor? What does Israel have to do with Muslims persecuting Catholics in Indonesia?

What about Sunni ISIS wiping out Shia Muslims along with Yezidis and ancient Christian communities in Iraq and Syria?

Face it - the borders and "fringes of Islam" are the most violent place on earth because Islam is incompatible with everyone else and their religion implores them to dominate everyone within their sphere of influence.

socal2 says

You really think the existence of a few million Jews in Israel is somehow causing Muslims in Africa like Boko Haram to massacre Christian girls in schools and taking them as sex slaves?

No. I'm thinking economic hitman are keeping the entire continent poor, backward, and undeveloped and they are acting just as they would have in the 17th century as they do now. This isn't any change.

Jewish people and Muslims in the Middle East have gotten along for centuries, Jews fought against the Christian Crusaders.

socal2 says

How about all the fighting in Sudan the past 20 years?

I don't know about Sudan. Is the US involved? If not, that's why I don't know about it. If the US is involved, I have missed something important. I know the US isn't currently bombing it.

socal2 says

Kashmir? You think Israel has anything to do with the fighting between Muslims and Hindus on the Indian continent?

Kashmir is a result of the breakup of the English empire, and it's disputed territory between India and Pakistan. This is a region conflict due to the fact that the two nations were created under Gandhi, supposedly, to end sectarian violence. Notice the UK and US is not all over it and involved, even though you can quite reasonably argue that the English created this situation as well.

socal2 says

How about East Timor? What does Israel have to do with Muslims persecuting Catholics in Indonesia?

I don't know if there is anything. Sectarian violence has always existed. 100 years ago, the Catholics would have all just been summarily executed. My friend is living in Indonesia right now. He's not reported anything in Jakarta.

socal2 says

What about Sunni ISIS wiping out Shia Muslims along with Yezidis and ancient Christian communities in Iraq and Syria?

Oh, I'm certain the US is funding one side or another. Certainly with regard to Syria. ISIS is funded and supported by Israel. Israel has been REPEATEDLY caught funding them and giving them medical treatment. ISIS is a front for the US as well, that's why ISIS showed up when Duterte of the Philippines had enough of the drug cartels and enacted the death penalty against them. Suddenly ISIS showed up, which means CIA support.

socal2 says

Face it - the borders and "fringes of Islam" are the most violent place on earth because Islam is incompatible with everyone else and their religion implores them to dominate everyone within their sphere of influence.

Dude, the US has killed and destroyed more nations in the last 20 years than the Muslims themselves have. The TV box just squawks about Muslims. We're the world's terrorists. We funded the Mujahidin which later became the Taliban we fund ISIS, Al Qaeda - that was in Wikileak's drop of Hillary Clinton's emails. You have no idea what is going on, and telling you, you'll just ignore it. I've been talking about it for years, it's throwing pearls to swine.

It’s becoming obvious the Richard Wicks is blind to the real evil in this world which is so much bigger, deeper and pervasive than the puny and dwindling influence that US government has wielded in the past 80 years. The United States government is just another pawn in the massive shell game of deception and domination wielded by the elusive servants of Satan (principalities and powers, and rulers of darkness in high places) that are hellbent on creating an earth devoid of all goodness.

Get over it man, the US government is not your enemy. Stop ignoring God and get on the right team, otherwise you will be trapped in the lies of the devil even as you currently remain deluded by his lies.

PeopleUnited says

It’s becoming obvious the Richard Wicks is blind to the real evil in this world which is so much bigger, deeper and pervasive than the puny and dwindling influence that US government has wielded in the past 80 years. The United States government is just another pawn in the massive shell game of deception and domination wielded by the elusive servants of Satan (principalities and powers, and rulers of darkness in high places) that are hellbent on creating an earth devoid of all goodness.

Have you ever considered your religion from the point of view of parable?

My (and your) body is composed of many cells, each cell is uniquely alive. I am essentially a swarm of organisms which all share the same DNA, but parts of my body will die for the greater good of the rest of my body. Cells acting entirely in self interest, they never die, that's a cancer - as they duplicate, they invade all parts of the body, eventually killing the whole host.

That's what a society is.

Why do you think "good" and "evil" must be personified as actual identifiable singular entities?

Why are you unable to recognize that good and evil is nothing more than aspects in our society? When evil prevails, society collapses into a primitive state where a cancer will end up ruling over it, perhaps even obliterating it. When good prevails, the society flourishes. It's just a parable of man.

Haven't you noticed that there's societal consciousness and thinking? One nation has different morals and rules than another, that equates to a personal morality. Some nations are legitimately insane. Some societies are compulsive liars, others psychopathic, others murderous and cancerous. Our society is a compulsive liar, and insane. It has a cancer which causes it to do things that harms itself. The dishonesty of this nation is merely a symptom.

socal2 says

Face it - the borders and "fringes of Islam" are the most violent place on earth because Islam is incompatible with everyone else and their religion implores them to dominate everyone within their sphere of influence.

Also historically:

* Byzantium
* Spain
* Sicily
* Slave raids across the Med and Ukraine
* Coastal India
* North Indian Plain
* Indonesian and Malay Archipegalo (sp?)
* East Africa (Zanzibar, Sofala)

Currently:
* Sri Lanka
* Burma/Myanmar
* Nigeria
* Many parts of Africa
* The Stans (Islamicists against the Sovietized/Secularized)
* Western China

Recently:

* Thai-Malay border also some issues in past few decades
* Syria
* Egypt (Islamicists vs. Copts, claiming the latter are all sekrit Ziospies)
* Lebanon (Muslims of all levels of fervor vs. Christians, ended with the most cucked surviving brother cucking out to Hezbollah and the fleeing of large % of Christian population elsewhere)

90% of global terror attacks are by Islam and most of those are in countries with both a majority or sizable Muslim population.

It's interesting that the Bitchute Baloney Bloviators seem to leave this all out. Right, Khameni?

PeopleUnited says

Nuttboxer has forgotten Genesis 12:3 among many other promises of God.

Genesis 25-27, where Esau is granted all of the Middle East except Israel, which is reserved for Issac. Interestingly, this is a pre-Islamic Arab belief as well that still continues in many places.

Obadiah, Zechariah 2:8, Leviticus 19:17 where God repeatedly warns Edom (Esau's descendents bordering Israel) to control their hatred and avarice lest God punish them.

Judges 20:1, I Samuel 3:20, II Samuel 3:10, II Samuel 17:11, II Samuel 24:2, II Samuel 24:15, I Kings 5:5, I Chronicles 21:2, II Chronicles 30:5 give the borders of Israel, "Dan to Be'er Sheba" or roughly Israel's current borders including the Golan. God warns Israel NOT to exceed those borders or face His reprimand.

Israel quit claimed all of the Sinai back to Egypt in return for a peace treaty, disproving the "Zionazis want the whole Middle-east" nonsense. Interestingly, it tried to return Gaza as well but Egypt was like "Hell no we don't want those Palarabs".

Jordan has also refused parts of Samaria and Judah (the "West Bank" neologism) and only quit claimed that region in 1982.

The PLO Charter of 1964 recognizes Egypt as sovereign over Gaza and Jordan over Judea and Samaria ("West Bank"). That means the PLO wants...

Romans 11 Paul details the vision of the future of Abraham's descendants as granted to him by Jesus in fullness.

Proverbs 16:18 explains that arrogant, angry attitudes result in harm for the holder of them:
"Pride goes before destruction, And a haughty spirit before a fall."

And if you think that hasn't applied to unruly Hebrews in the past, go re-read the OT. Yet always, always, the Lord decides the penance is complete and restores Israel.

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Source material is a compilation of IDF social media posts, so it's first hand. These people revel in torture and destruction, they're sick:

https://youtu.be/JAT9NQ4WkE0

richwicks says

My (and your) body is composed of many cells, each cell is uniquely alive. I am essentially a swarm of organisms which all share the same DNA, but parts of my body will die for the greater good of the rest of my body. Cells acting entirely in self interest, they never die, that's a cancer - as they duplicate, they invade all parts of the body, eventually killing the whole host.

That's what a society is.

No, “society” is what the people allow to happen. It is said that people have the government they deserve. This seems to be generally true. We have a senile, pedophile, professional liar and criminal in the Oval Office and a Congress and courts the majority of people distrust. That is society, a reflection of the individuals that make up “society”. Society is the lowest common denominator. Society is the sum of all evils that the people allow, combined with the values espoused. Abortion, wars, poverty, theft, lies, that is our society. And even if our society had perfect values, it could not save us from the lowest common denominator. Sin.

richwicks says

Why do you think "good" and "evil" must be personified as actual identifiable singular entities?

Evil is not an entity. It is a choice. Any choice that does not honor God is evil. Any choice that honors The Creator is good. Any creation of God uncorrupted by bad choices is good. The earth, before sin was good, it was uncorrupted. The earth after sin is full of death, and will be judged by God for these sins. Evil is a choice, a choice everyone makes for themselves. But the Gospel (good news) is that God will deliver those who believe in Him from the bondage and penalty of their evil choices.
richwicks says

When good prevails, God is glorified.

Fixed it for you.

PeopleUnited says

Evil is not an entity. It is a choice. Any choice that does not honor God is evil.

People disagree with what exactly "honors God" - I don't see how this isn't obvious. You ignore the Bible yourself.

You think a woman that isn't engaged or married, who is raped by a man, should be forced to marry the man, after he pays the father "50 pieces of silver"? That's what the Bible says:

https://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/22-28.htm

22:28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered,
22:39 he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

Nobody appeals to the Bible as a source of morality, even when they say they do, and you force me to argue along these lines. If you continue to insist that I appeal to it and insist you actually do, it's pretty short work to make you out as a monster. I've done it plenty although I've not bothered to in a decade and a 1/2.

I get tired of this.

There's probably a societal consciousness, this is the simulacrum of god most likely. Just so you don't have to look it up, a simulacrum is just something that looks and acts like another thing, which is more or less identical to the what it represents. It's not like anybody uses the word much so I don't expect many people to know it.

I got into the whole "what exactly is religion" YEARS ago. I don't want to rehash it again, and pulling you out of it and to FULLY EXPLAIN MY VIEWPOINT would absolutely challenge your faith, however it won't benefit you, and it's a hassle for me. When I was younger, I'd argue it out of a DUTY to be honest to people. Today, I realize that some people stripped of religious faith, are either just totally lost because they will never bother to investigate where morality actually comes from (there's the whole idea of game theory you have to deal with along with memetics and societal survivability) and as a result they sometimes conclude there's no purpose of morality at all.

The US has a LOT of stupid, uneducated atheists today. That's our problem. I can explain in length why it may not be a good idea to allow a 14 year old kid to sexually transition, but that's pages of reasoning and explanation, and thought, OR I can just say "well, the Bible wouldn't support this, Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. God formed us in the image of man and woman", etc. That's a HELL of a lot easier.

Religion is nothing more than a reduction of thought to a conclusion.

Women who were raped before they were engaged or married were condemned to be wives is because they were property, and once they had sex, they were "ruined" for whatever other male that was willing to pick up the BURDEN which is what a woman was precisely. Times have changed though. Women aren't the burden they were 2000 years ago for most societies, so the morality changes.

Prohibitions on eating pork was likely because of the likelihood of disease spread. Circumcision was done likely to identify people within the tribe, because men didn't walk with their penises out and who would do that as an adult to infiltrate the group? Who knows, the logic and reasoning that once existed can only be speculated on today, we can't know for certain.