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Hitler is informed Iran has attacked Israel

https://youtu.be/P7gEfgsp-Us?si=8XxBYjAc_yKPSaPH

WookieMan says

richwicks says

I just view this as a terrible evil that is killing people. I oppose it entirely to the point I may end up in prison oneday. I'm forced to pay for this, and I completely, totally oppose it.

Move then.... Stop the childish bitching.

LOL, 1400 dead from terrorists on hang gliders after Hamas - who broke a ceasefire with Israel with no notice or warning to do it - sent them into Israel. And the boo hoo is for entering the city and clearing it of the Hamas Government that ordered the terrorism. Not for the 1400 dead civilians gunned down at raves or in a sleepy village on a Sunday Morning.

Ah, inverted morality.

"Stalin had to kill the Kulaks, they weren't paying landless laborers a living wage! You should be focused on the cruelty of the Kulaks!"
"Suddenly, for no reason at all - not because he violated treaties and agreements left and right from prematurely reoccupying the Rhine, to rearming in violation of a Surrender agreement, annexing Austria illegally, or occupying ALL Czechoslovakia instead of JUST the agreed Sudentenland (Peace-in-Our-Time) or invading Poland, Denmark, Norway, Netherlands, Luxemborg, and Belgium, or agreeing to divide Eastern Europe with Stalin and trading tech secrets for oil and metal -- people ganged up on my innocent, wonderful Hero of my Preferred Version of Socialism."

Ceffer says

Sticks and stones will break my bones, but ultrasonic rockets will never reach me

A what now?

AmericanKulak says

LOL, 1400 dead from terrorists on hang gliders after Hamas - who broke a ceasefire with Israel with no notice or warning to do it - sent them into Israel. And the boo hoo is for entering the city and clearing it of the Hamas Government that ordered the terrorism. Not for the 1400 dead civilians gunned down at raves or in a sleepy village on a Sunday Morning.

I think Israel has every right to do what they're doing. I'm simply not taking a side. You kill someone in my family I will for sure kill everyone you've ever known. Not a joke.

My breakdown is it didn't have to be this way. Religion is toxic. So I'm not going to side with A or B. Let them fight it out. One side will win and it's likely the Israelis and it will cost them on the political level. But if that's what stops this bull shit, so be it.

WookieMan says

AmericanKulak says

LOL, 1400 dead from terrorists on hang gliders after Hamas - who broke a ceasefire with Israel with no notice or warning to do it - sent them into Israel. And the boo hoo is for entering the city and clearing it of the Hamas Government that ordered the terrorism. Not for the 1400 dead civilians gunned down at raves or in a sleepy village on a Sunday Morning.

I think Israel has every right to do what they're doing. I'm simply not taking a side. You kill someone in my family I will for sure kill everyone you've ever known. Not a joke.

My breakdown is it didn't have to be this way. Religion is toxic. So I'm not going to side with A or B. Let them fight it out. One side will win and it's likely the Israelis and it will cost them on the political level. But if that's what stops this bull shit, so be it.

I got you.

There's a very easy solution to the Israel problem, and that's when one side loses every war and the other side is willing to let them have a piece of land anyway, take the deal and stop being "I'm the chickenhawk and you're the chicken" about it going into the 4th generation now.

The Gulf Arabs are there, so is Egypt. Lebanon if it could get away from Syrian and Hezbollah interference in their elections would be as well.

The problem is some people keep apologizing and thus enabling war instead of telling the loser terrorists to STFU, stop terrorizing civilians, and accept a decent peace. Honestly cutting off all aid to Palestine for a year would do it. But it's going to happen now anyway once Hamas is gone - nobody will risk taking the power there until Hamas is eliminated. I suspect it will be the PA with Gulf Arab assistance taking over.

I think even without Trump there's a chance at permanent peace now. With Trump it's all but guaranteed.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/the-pugilist-monday-april-15-2024

Confirming our theory about the carefully-planned nature of the Iranian attacks against Israel, the Jerusalem Post ran a revealing story yesterday headlined, “Iran informed Turkey in advance of its operation against Israel - Turkish source.” The article’s initial paragraph confirmed that Iran not only warned everybody about the attack ahead of time, but it was also to some extent negotiating its response with the Biden Administration:

Iran informed Turkey in advance of its planned operation against Israel, a Turkish diplomatic source told Reuters on Sunday, adding that Washington had conveyed to Tehran via Turkey that any action had to be "within certain limits."
In other words, U.S. officials informed Iran its attack on Israel was okay as long as it met certain conditions. The article went on to describe President Blinken, I mean Secretary Blinken’s role in the talks, stamping the Secretary of State’s ugly, ever-present face onto the Iranian attack.

They kept the talks secret. But it might have been comforting for us to know that all the involved countries were discussing agreed limits for the attacks. Regular Israelis — everyday folks just wanting to go about their day and mind their own business — were terrorized all last week by nonstop air raid warnings and now have permanent PTSD now over the weeklong imminent strike status. The rest of us spent the week worrying whether World War III was right around the corner holding a two-by-four and waiting for its chance, and fretting about whether the Rapture could possibly still happen before the fun started.

Our governments have too many secrets. I’ll pen a post about that problem sometime.

https://twitter.com/VDHanson/status/1779578220222054631

Victor Davis Hanson
@VDHanson
“Don’t!”— Or Ten Ways to Guarantee a Theater-wide War

On the eve of the October 7 massacres, National Security Advisor bragged in an essay that his Mideast portfolio was “quieter than it has been for decades”. Now we are on the verge of a multifront Middle East war. How did Joe Biden inherit a decades-long regional calm and turn it into a precursor to a gargantuan war?

1. Talk loudly and carry a twig. Issue hollow Obama-like “redlines” or serial Biden threats to aggressive enemies like the vapid “Don’t!” Witness a U.S. President who works a 3-day week, struggles to read a teleprompter, and shouts more at conservative Americans than at America’s enemies.

2. Destroy hard-won deterrence. Abruptly pull out of Afghanistan. Abandon $50 billion in weapons to terrorists. Abandon a new $1 billion embassy. Abandon a $300 refitted air base. Abandon thousands of NATO allies, thousands of U.S. contractors, and thousands of Afghan allies. Lose 13 Marines in a horrific scramble to get out, while killing collateral Afghan civilians in a supposedly “righteous strike”. Call the entire American humiliation an impressive withdrawal.

3. Sit passively while a Chinese spy balloon traverses the continental U.S. Shoot it down only after days of escalating public outrage. Be afraid to call the Chinese out for the Wuhan-lab-generated, gain-of-function Covid-19 virus. Let Chinese diplomats dress down our silent and stunned secretary of state and national security advisor on American soil in Anchorage.

4. Assure Vladimir Putin that the U.S. reaction to a preemptive invasion of Ukraine would hinge on whether it was a major or “minor” invasion. Delay $100 million in military aid to Ukraine as Putin massed on Ukraine’s borders in hopes such forbearance would be reciprocated. Implore Putin to be more selective in his cyber targeting of U.S. infrastructure and institutions.

5. Coddle terrorist Iran. Seem eager to resume the Iran Deal. Lift sanctions. Allow $100 billion in oil profits to flow into Iranian coffers. Restore aid to the terrorist Palestinian authority and Hamas. Ignore Hezbollah’s terrorism. Remove the terrorist designation of the Houthis. Mostly ignore over 120 Iranian attacks on American installations. Transfer suspended funds to Iran at the rate of $1.2 billion for each American hostage it took.

6. Pressure Israel not to destroy Hamas—and not to reply to missile and drone attacks on the Israeli homeland. Threaten to cut off military aid to the only democratic government and longest U.S. ally in the Middle East should it finish off Hamas. Signal the Middle East that there is growing distance between Israel and America. Try to subvert if not overthrow the elected government of Israel. Transfer U.S. weapons stocks from Israel to Ukraine. Ignore thousands of missiles launched by Hamas and Hezbollah, and 100,000 Israelis internally displaced from their homes.

7. Run up the U.S deficit by $1 trillion every 100 days through reckless spending for entitlements, massive green subsidies, and DEI initiatives—while neglecting American shortages of munition stocks, arms, ships, and planes.

8. Recalibrate the U.S. military by substituting DEI criteria for past meritocracy. Accuse white males of being suspect white supremacists, then investigate them, then find no such evidence—and then suffer a shortage of a record 41,000 recruits. Lose the confidence of the American people in the military, so that less than half the population polls high confidence in the armed forces. Render the Uniform Code of Military Justice a mere construct.

9. Destroy the U.S. border for rank political purposes. Cancel all prior border enforcement. Abandon construction of the border wall. Allow in 10-million illegal aliens, among them thousands from hostile nations and some with terrorist ties. Provide generous subsidies, exemptions, and entitlements to immigrant lawbreakers, not always accorded to the U.S. poor.

10. Lose control of the world’s maritime commercial corridors. Allow the Chinese to harass allies in the South China Sea and the Philippine Sea. Allow the Houthis to shut down the Red Sea. Allow Iran to hijack ships in the Straits of the Hormuz. Witness the Black Sea become off-limits to maritime traffic.

11:31 AM · Apr 14, 2024

RC2006 says

Iran attacking Israel

I tried searching for all the Israel Attacking Iran threads I would have expected to find from the other week. Strangely, there were none. At least not with THAT title...

Patrick says

Confirming our theory about the carefully-planned nature of the Iranian attacks against Israel, the Jerusalem Post ran a revealing story yesterday headlined, “Iran informed Turkey in advance of its operation against Israel - Turkish source.” The article’s initial paragraph confirmed that Iran not only warned everybody about the attack ahead of time, but it was also to some extent negotiating its response with the Biden Administration:

Iran informed Turkey in advance of its planned operation against Israel, a Turkish diplomatic source told Reuters on Sunday, adding that Washington had conveyed to Tehran via Turkey that any action had to be "within certain limits."

Confirms my theory that this was a "Save Face for the Public and the Islamic World by making a big show of drones and missiles knowing the chances of something being hit were low"

It's not going to lead to WW3.

NuttBoxer says

I tried searching for all the Israel Attacking Iran

Israel didn't attack Iran. It bombed a building in Damascus where an IRGC General of Spec Ops was operating. Funny as to why there is an IRGC General working out of Syria if the Iranians aren't coordinating things closer to Israel.

I'm sure the innocent General of the Revolutionary Guards Spec Ops Teams was just gathering information and totally not trying to help coordinate terror and missile attacks by Hezbollah on Israel.

It was a ball-less response, except it showed quite dramatically that the massed defenses of both Israel and the US murder monkey could be penetrated. The Iron Shield hymen was broken. The probing and penetration of the shields was at least part of the message.

So, in that sense, it was not entirely pointless. The rapid baloney response of 99 percent deterrence was unfiltered gematria propaganda. I would bet there are some nervous guys in the Israeli bunkers, except they have their escape hatches secured to to submarines or maglev tunnel trains already.

Ceffer says

It was a ball-less response, except it showed quite dramatically that the massed defenses of both Israel and the US murder monkey could be penetrated. The Iron Shield hymen was broken. The probing and penetration of the shields was at least part of the message.

So, in that sense, it was not entirely pointless. The rapid baloney response of 99 percent deterrence was unfiltered gematria propaganda. I would bet there are some nervous guys in the Israeli bunkers, except they have their escape hatches secured to to submarines or maglev tunnel trains already.

The only videos I've seen of damage are misfires and accidents during their launch. One child was injured by some falling pieces of broken missile after it was intercepted.

Big lines at the Holy Sepulchre yesterday. Pilgrims undeterred by Radical Shi'a aggression.

AmericanKulak says

I think even without Trump there's a chance at permanent peace now. With Trump it's all but guaranteed.

While I think Trump would be a short term benefit, this 100% will flare up again with Israel and Palestine in the future after he's out of office. And he will be in office. Biden messed up and decided to run another time. I generally don't like Dems, but there were better options with functioning brains.

We need to be looking at 2028 at this point. The illegal immigrants is of concern voting wise, but there's a reason red states have been sending them to blue states. It won't change the vote and the Dems know that. Texas is the only concern since it's on the actual border and not everyone is caught. I think for once Republican are outfoxing Dems. I don't think they have the young crowd anymore that is willing to riot and cause mayhem.

As much as I like Trump, he is just be a speed bump. We can no longer set long term goals that are needed. Biden has wrecked the future and all of the illegals and foreign nationals will keep pushing us left. All of our enemies can just wait 4 years.

AmericanKulak says

LOL, 1400 dead from terrorists on hang gliders after Hamas - who broke a ceasefire with Israel with no notice or warning to do it - sent them into Israel. And the boo hoo is for entering the city and clearing it of the Hamas Government that ordered the terrorism. Not for the 1400 dead civilians gunned down at raves or in a sleepy village on a Sunday Morning.

Israel has been killing and subjugating the Palestinians for 75 years, and nobody cares until a small group fight back.

You only start the story from the middle.

Hamas is funded by Israel as well, you don't care about that. The leaders are in Qatar. That doesn't bother you. The whole thing is just another big false flag.

Rocket skeets go from expensivo to DEW operational cheapsies? Space weapons and ground DEWs have gotta be tested sooner or later during the provocations. However, cheap defense is NOT in the interests of MIC funding. I wonder if some of those distinctive 'outer space' missile interception blasts were DEW. Blue rockets! Gimme blue rockets!



https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1346900/pg1

Ceffer says

cheap defense is NOT in the interests of MIC funding.

Yep, no massive amounts of Davids using slings to take out the drones.

Look who helped shoot down Iranian inbounds!

Saudi Arabia acknowledged that it had helped the newly forged regional military coalition — Israel, the United States, Jordan, the United Kingdom, and France — repel an Iranian attack against the Jewish state early Sunday morning, according to a story on KAN News.

https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/saudi-arabia-acknowledges-helping-defend-israel-against-iran-797201

The reason the attack occured when it did? Saudi Arabia and Israel were about to sign a formal normalization Treaty, a process begun under the Abraham Accord process.

Also, the Palestinian Kingdom of Jordan participated in shooting down Iranian inbounds according to the JPost.

Normalization and acceptance is the way!

I wish someone would explain to me how it is that 99% of all drones & missiles were recently destroyed, of which I do not doubt, and yet, low flying, slow moving, heavily armed Hamas paragliders were able to cross into Israel without any resistance coming from the IDF. And they were able to cross perhaps the most fortified border in the entire world. How did that happen?

RayAmerica says

I wish someone would explain to me how it is that 99% of all drones & missiles were recently destroyed, of which I do not doubt, and yet, low flying, slow moving, heavily armed Hamas paragliders were able to cross into Israel without any resistance coming from the IDF. And they were able to cross perhaps the most fortified border in the entire world. How did that happen?

You know the answer, it was a false flag attack. Hamas is funded and financed by Israel, the deaths were designed to get enough sympathy for Israel to expel the Palestinians in Gaza.

Instead it has called attention to what Israel actually has been doing for over 1/2 century. This is probably the biggest mistake I have ever seen a nation make. This may actually be the beginning of the end of Israel.

The Palestinians cannot leave, and many Israelis know that it was a false flag.

richwicks says

You know the answer, it was a false flag attack. Hamas is funded and financed by Israel, the deaths were designed to get enough sympathy for Israel to expel the Palestinians in Gaza.

Take your meds bro. Not everything in life is a false flag. Grow up.

WookieMan says

Take your meds bro. Not everything in life is a false flag. Grow up.

I notice you didn't answer the question. How was it that Israel wasn't able to stop a bunch of paragliders?

There are ISRAELIS who worked on the wall who said it was impossible to breach. You're just either so fucking gullible or so fucking dishonest.

richwicks says

WookieMan says

Take your meds bro. Not everything in life is a false flag. Grow up.

I notice you didn't answer the question. How was it that Israel wasn't able to stop a bunch of paragliders?

There are ISRAELIS who worked on the wall who said it was impossible to breach. You're just either so fucking gullible or so fucking dishonest.

You're an idiot dude. They expected rockets and had defenses for that. 100' or less AGL and radar can't track it. Why in the flying fuck did they attack one of the most militarily strong nations on the entire planet? You're a fucking retard. They want to kill jews. What isn't to understand about this. Lobotomies might need to come back.

WookieMan says

You're an idiot dude. They expected rockets and had defenses for that. 100' or less AGL and radar can't track it.

It's very easy to monitor airspace. Today, there is no need to fly in a rocket, apparently, just strap a bomb to a quadcopter and fly it in..

WookieMan says

Why in the flying fuck did they attack one of the most militarily strong nations on the entire planet?

Because they have been under military occupation for all of their lives and there is no way to end this occupation. Israel will NEVER negotiate an end to this occupation ever.

Israel as POLICY has been lying about wanting a 2 state solution for my entire life, and they have no intention of ever allowing it. Now a good portion of Israel are DUAL CITIZENS, and they don't have to stay there. Palestinians have nowhere to go. It's going to be one or the other.

WookieMan says

They want to kill jews. What isn't to understand about this.

It's not about "Jews" or "religion". If the KKK which was a protestant organization attacked black people in various ways, over decades, you would say that black people who don't like the KKK don't like them because they just hate protestants.

That's the difference between a "Zionist" and a "Jew". Jewish people, like anybody, can be decent good moral people with great values but just because somebody is Jewish doesn't magically make them a good person. Israel is an apartheid nation, a nuclear power, and has been attacking Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Jordan, just about damned near everybody in the Middle East.

And you have the gall, the stupidity to be asking "do they hate them because they're JEWISH????" They hate them because they're ASSHOLES. The US is hated by many nations because our leaders are fucking assholes.

Is Israel better or worse regarded today than it was 1 year ago? You think, "well, who cares, there will be no consequences". I predict Israel won't make it as a nation to be 100 years old and I also predict that the US will keep Israel running until the United States collapses.

RayAmerica says

I wish someone would explain to me how it is that 99% of all drones & missiles were recently destroyed, of which I do not doubt, and yet, low flying, slow moving, heavily armed Hamas paragliders were able to cross into Israel without any resistance coming from the IDF. And they were able to cross perhaps the most fortified border in the entire world. How did that happen?

Complacency. And cozying up to Pukin. Netaniahu was lulled into false sense of security by his supposedly friendly relations with the Soviets after many years of hostility. I bet they asked if they should be worried about all the activities on the other side of the wall and were assured that nothing is coming their way.

Netaniahu is a stupid cunt.

richwicks says

It's very easy to monitor airspace. Today, there is no need to fly in a rocket, apparently, just strap a bomb to a quadcopter and fly it in..

Again you're an idiot that threatened me. Read. There's your link chief. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nap-of-the-earth#:~:text=Nap%2Dof%2Dthe%2Dearth%20(NOE)%20is%20a,radar%22%20and%20%22hedgehopping%22.

RWSGFY says

Netaniahu is a stupid cunt.

No he's not, he's just another sociopath, but he's not stupid.

richwicks says

RWSGFY says

Netaniahu is a stupid cunt.

No he's not, he's just another sociopath, but he's not stupid.

He's smarter than you. He doesn't bitch and moan on a forum, do nothing and threaten randoms for no reason. You can make change but you choose to be a whiney loser. Just own it at some point.

WookieMan says

richwicks says

It's very easy to monitor airspace. Today, there is no need to fly in a rocket, apparently, just strap a bomb to a quadcopter and fly it in..

Again you're an idiot that threatened me. Read. There's your link chief. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nap-of-the-earth#:~:text=Nap%2Dof%2Dthe%2Dearth%20(NOE)%20is%20a,radar%22%20and%20%22hedgehopping%22.

They had to fly over a wall that is monitored 24 hours a day 7 days a week.

Here's what I would have done. I would have used thermal cameras and use them to detect motion. You've seen a ring camera I'm certain, all it's doing is detecting pixel changes, and when it happens, those changes are recorded. When nothing is happening it doesn't send data, that's why a battery lasts so long. The reason I'd use a thermal camera is it works night and day. The amounts of photons emitted by a warm body will rarely, if ever, be matched to the number of photons emitted from the air or cloud cover. The entire fucking wall is only like 40 miles long. I've gone on longer hikes.

I'm not the most brilliant person on the planet, and I'm doubtful nobody figured out what Amazon has done.

People are just ignorant of how far advanced we are in technology. People who aren't, you just won't listen to us.

I'm at a loss. Israel is now using ring camera tech... They're looking for fast incoming missiles and rockets. Not a paraglider going 15-20 mph. That's part of the reason they were caught off guard. Radar thought it was ground clutter because it was moving so slow. So they didn't react.

WookieMan says

I'm at a loss. Israel is now using ring camera tech...

I didn't say that, and you know I didn't.

I'm pointing out how absolutely trivial it is to monitor a wall that is 40 miles long. It can be entirely automated. Cameras that you think of are 30 years old, like videocameras, even the cheapest piece of shit phone has a camera, and that's $50. Cameras on a phone you would use have more resolution than your eye does, you don't have enough receptors in your eye to see all the detail, but it's cheap, so why not? The "retina display" of the iPhone from what, 10, 15 years ago, had higher resolution than any human being can perceive.

You know what a camera costs? $5. That's what it costs to make, because they are made in bulk. There's a whole profit line, so it adds up.

WookieMan says

They're looking for fast incoming missiles and rockets. Not a paraglider going 15-20 mph.

So they can do the difficult thing, but not the super fucking obviously simple thing.

WookieMan says

Radar thought it was ground clutter because it was moving so slow. So they didn't react.

RADAR is from 1950. It's obsolete.

We have these stealth aircraft, guess what you can't mask? Heat. That's trivial to detect and you cannot mask it. You don't need to actively bounce photons off from an aircraft to detect it now. Cameras are super, fucking, cheap. Seriously, how did they get back into Gaza? That entire place is monitored and actively controlled by military checkpoints. Our media doesn't talk about this.

The entire world is monitored with satellites, and you know where low earth orbit is? 120 miles up. Google maps is reduced image quality. What you see on that is 30 years out of date and it's still pretty amazing.

In any case, I just can't see the technology of a wall for what is basically a concentration camp, being that fucking dumb. I can solve the damned problem. If they dug under the wall, that I could see being undetected, but not going over it. How did they make it back anyhow? Did they go through a checkpoint? Did they strap the hostages into their paraglider and fly back? Basic, obvious questions are not answered.

I still have a little hope, technology is so damned powerful today, that we all have infinite access to information, and any dipshit can make a film suitable for IMAX, if they have the talent. When my parents were young, the highest technology was color film, I think super 8, something before that. We're at the point where you can record an entire lifetime.

But they can't monitor a wall?

Entire films have been produced on VHS video tapes, and smart phones just to prove it's possible. If you spend 100,000 on a camera, you're just doing it because people are USED to that technology, it's not better. A toy computer is now more powerful than a supercomputer was in 1990. It's a video game machine.

RWSGFY says

Netaniahu is a stupid cunt.

That and both a war and attacks happened on Holidays previously. They also should have had extra security up because the normalization meetings were moving ahead, and Iran doesn't want the Arab Muslims normalizing relations with Israel.

The hearings on this are going to be interesting.

RayAmerica says

I wish someone would explain to me how it is that 99% of all drones & missiles were recently destroyed, of which I do not doubt, and yet, low flying, slow moving, heavily armed Hamas paragliders were able to cross into Israel without any resistance coming from the IDF. And they were able to cross perhaps the most fortified border in the entire world. How did that happen?

Holiday Sunday morning, understaffed, lacking imagination, and expecting what usually happens, a massive rocket barrage. Totally unprepared.

The Israeli ravers weren't surprised by the rockets ... but thought the hanggliders were some kind of Festival Performance... until it was too late.

AmericanKulak says

The Israeli ravers weren't surprised by the rockets ... but thought the hanggliders were some kind of Festival Performance... until it was too late.

Hamas was HONESTLY funded by Israel.

The technology to see them is trivial and inexpensive to see a wall breach.

The invasion was near a military base.

There's no explanation of how kidnappers got across the wall with the hostages.

1/2 of Gaza is destroyed now, there are claims they are going through starvation, World Kitchen Aid was bombed by Israel.


original link

It's not explained, it's just "trust us". I can't trust my authorities anymore - from vaccines to war. How can you at this point? You enable this by your trust.

Sunni vs. Shiite old feelings die hard. Of course, anything unauthorized flying into Saudi or Jordanian air space would have been shot down without any particular partisan affiliation.

https://t.me/FirstAmendmentPraetorian/58454

Of course, Jordan and the Saudis would just love that new port in Gaza, too, and the new canal project extending from Elat to the new Gaza port.

https://t.me/FirstAmendmentPraetorian/58463

Ceffer says

https://t.me/FirstAmendmentPraetorian/58454

Unnamed is just code for propaganda.

Secret sources are just made up. We've known this for years from "Russia-gate". It's POSSIBLE this is true, but I strongly recommend you note this and check up later.

Nobody seems to remember what they were told a few years ago. Remember Dawit Kelete? I bet you don't. What happened to him? He was national news for a while. So was Anita Sarkessian, Suey Park, Emma Sulckowicz, and Zoe Quinn. Two of them were in front of the UN speaking about women's rights. Do you even remember Dylan Mulvaney who everybody was once up in arms against?

You won't remember though. I've tried with this thread:

https://www.patrick.net/post/1378706/2023-03-05-whatever-happened-to?start=32

We cannot learn from our past apparently. I expected we could, but it doesn't seem possible. It's just endless repetition, seeing the same bullshit repeated over and over. I was told I had a gift with a good memory, absolutely not, it's a curse.

And what an irony - I'm atheist, but I still worry for my eternal soul. I can see the patterns but taking advantage of them, I consider evil.

Ceffer says

Of course, Jordan and the Saudis would just love that new port in Gaza, too, and the new canal project extending from Elat to the new Gaza port.

And the people IN Gaza would benefit from all the Jobs the oil and gas pipelines, tank farms, and highways for goods and bulk.

Terrorists, however, would no longer be able to recruit as much, snatch all the UN Aid, and appeal to Iran for terror grant money to harass the Sunni heretics and Jews. Most of these things last 5x longer than they should because the IRA, FARC, etc. leadership makes so much money smuggling, kidnapping, extortion and protection rackets, etc. they don't care about any reasonable offers that fix most of what they claimed drove them to violence in the first place.

Oh - and a Pipeline from the Gulf To Gaza means an alternative that bypasses Syria, Hezbollah (Iran and Syria), Turkish, etc. controls on the northern pipelines
AND, it means the Houthis in the Red Sea aren't as able to disrupt as much of the flow of oil from the Gulf and up the Suez Canal.
AND, it replaces Syria, Iran, and Islamicists influence over the Palestinians with Gulf Arabs.
AND, an alternative to the Suez Canal, also sadz for Islamicists who would love to overthrow the Egyptian Government.

Now you know why Hamas and Iran did what they did, knowing it was a risky-as-fuck undertaking.

Wonder why Judea/Samaria ("West Bank") under PA control is so quiet given everything happening in Gaza?

Especially relative to the protests of Leftists and Palestinians abroad?