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https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/penny-walks-free

it’s nice to see that self-defense is still legal in NYC. perhaps this will dissuade the next round of “process as punishment” railroading.

if we want to help end this, there are two simple things to support:

castle doctrine.

stand your ground laws.

castle doctrine means your home is your castle. (your car too as an extension) you need no pretext to defend it. someone breaks in, the fault becomes theirs. this law places the burden of due care upon intruders, not on those they threaten. it’s just, fair, reasonable, finds strong consonance with longstanding common law and practice, and it works. places that remove it see home invasions spike.

stand your ground means if some one comes at you, you need not move. you can stay where you are and defend the patch upon which you stand. NY does not have this law. they have a “duty to retreat” in the face of an aggressor. minnesota also imposes such a duty and has shoit down several attempts to change it, a stunning choice after the riots they had. their supreme court upheld it.

quite literally, i can pull a knife on you and even if you are armed you cannot draw your weapon if it’s possible that you can flee.

this is a gross abrogation of natural law. ...

with both castle doctrine and stand your ground in place, there is legal latitude for self-defense. without them, it’s license for aggressors to aggress without price. they pull a knife, you must run, you cannot fight back unless cornered. that’s a BAD incentive set, especially with these social justice DA’s and jurists.

the remedy for this and the genius of our system lies in juries. juries do NOT have to follow the law. they do not have to explain their choices. they can just say “no.” jury nullification is a very powerful tool to keep the nature of a society within the society itself.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/two-murders-tuesday-december-10-2024

Folks have wondered why the jury would deadlock after four days on the more serious crime of manslaughter, but then quickly find “not guilty” on the lesser charge of criminally negligent homicide.




We find a clue in a different article about Jordan Williams, a black subway passenger who claimed to have stabbed to death another passenger in self-defense, and who was not charged by the same team prosecuting Daniel Penny. In the Williams case, the DA’s office explained that “Under New York law, a person is justified in using deadly physical force when they reasonably believe it is necessary to use such force to defend themselves or others from imminent use of deadly or unlawful physical force.”

In short, Danny Penny’s jury was on solid legal ground to find him not guilty. Even had Penny meant to kill the Subway Terrorist, the jury only had to find that Penny’s headlock was “justified” in order to defend others from unlawful physical force that Danny reasonably expected would occur.

So black people aren't even charged for much worse crimes, like stabbing someone to death, but Penny got charged for an accidental death while defending the public from a literally insane guy shouting threats while stoned out of his mind.

The NYC cops were also arresting BLM protesters outside the courthouse. But this:

https://www.newsweek.com/blm-leader-reaction-daniel-penny-verdict-jordan-neely-1997953

Another message of unification from BLM.

But, Overall, nationwide, are the tides really turning? I'm hopeful and....

I feel unburdened by what has been.

Patrick says

So black people aren't even charged for much worse crimes

In the eyes of toxic libtards, blacks have no agency, similar to retarded people.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

In the eyes of toxic libtards, blacks have no agency, similar to retarded people.

Low forebrain activity, which doesn't allow them to gauge future negative outcomes from short term gratification strategies, so they have been anointed the subversive sacred cows for the time being. Perfect captagon excitation and chaos engines.

Patrick says

They should have made a joke photo of Penny putting Vance in a choke hold.

He's going to be sued civilly for sure. I hope he beats that too.

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says

He's going to be sued civilly for sure. I hope he beats that too.

Unless he's making a bunch of money from this, what are they going to sue for? Younger guy, military, likely has little in cash savings. Retirement funds and pension are exempt from lawsuit or BK. I mean this happened on the subway after all so he's not rolling around in a $50k car. The lawsuit would likely get them less than attorney fees. Basically pointless.

Let the family sue what they want and represent yourself and know you'll lose. They end up with no money and a huge attorney bill. You bankrupt them. You can always restart. You killed him now kill his family. Just don't start collecting money until you know you won or lost on the civil side. Or have the payments go to a significant other in an LLC that you trust.

WookieMan says

The lawsuit would likely get them less than attorney fees. Basically pointless.

No fees. Lawyers will line up to do this pro bono for just the publicity alone or, at most, some BLM type non-profit will pay it.

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

WookieMan says

The lawsuit would likely get them less than attorney fees. Basically pointless.

No fees. Lawyers will line up to do this pro bono for just the publicity alone or, at most, some BLM type non-profit will pay it.

What would the family get though? I doubt this guy has more than $20k in physical assets. I get name recognition for the attorney. Bad publicity is better than none, but as an attorney you just cut off at least 40% of future potential clients. Dumb move.

WookieMan says

What would the family get though?

Lawyers probably told them some pie in the sky bullshit about that.