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RayAmerica says

I don't know, but it seems to me that the Beirut Bombing was not much of a shock being that we were considered to be enemy military occupiers that were on their turf, which just so happened to be a war zone.

Our troops were sent as peacekeeper to stop fighting between Syria, PLO and Israel.

Fuck off with this "occupier" horseshit.

We should have let Israel just finish the job and maybe the Muslims wouldn't have been able to ethnically cleans all the Christians from Lebanon?

RayAmerica says

Israel paid damages to the survivors of the USS Liberty attack. Each received a check for a whopping $200. That had to make them feel real good, don't you think?

Bullshit:

In May 1968, the Israeli government paid US$3.32 million (equivalent to US$29.1 million in 2023) to the U.S. government in compensation for the families of the 34 men killed in the attack. In March 1969, Israel paid a further $3.57 million ($29.6 million in 2023) to the men who had been wounded. In December 1980, it agreed to pay $6 million ($22.2 million in 2023) as the final settlement for material damage to the ship plus 13 years of interest.

So Israel paid almost $100,000 in 1967 money to the next of kin. Promptly, within weeks.
Or almost ONE MILLION dollars to each dead crew member's next of kin in 2024 money.

How much did the wounded get?
Israel paid $20,000 in 1967 money to every wounded crew member.
Or around $200,000 in 2024 money.

Now did the USG hold back some of that money? I dunno. But that's the breakdown per person per condition.

If the $200 figure is real, it's probably the amount given to non KIA or WIA crew members in an age where PTSD and therapy was not a thing like today. About $2000 in 2024 dollars. Or two month's pay for most of the crew.

Also, I'm wrong about two indemnities. Israel paid three. The third was additional estimated costs of damage to the vessel in 1980 plus 13 years interest

RayAmerica says

I don't know, but it seems to me that the Beirut Bombing was not much of a shock being that we were considered to be enemy military occupiers that were on their turf, which just so happened to be a war zone. President Ronald Reagan said sending the Marines into such a situation was the worst decision of his entire life. Who can argue with that?

No, we were considered to be defending Christians from the Palestinian-Shi'a alliance out to kill Christians. That's why Hezbollah bombed them proudly and it wasn't an accident at all.

What indemnities has Hezbollah paid ?

"How could the IDF mistake a vessel that was sold to scores of countries by the 100s, including Egypt?"

Well, how could the USAF shoot on a USCG ship in 1966?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCGC_Point_Welcome

In fact, in June 1968, USAF planes attacked SIX ships, one Australian (Hobart), the other Two American (Edson and Boston) PLUS two swift boats and yet another USCG Patrol Ship elswhere, in the South China Sea, all within 48 hours in multiple events! The larger vesels were cruisers and destroyers. Not mass produced WW2 cargo ships with an extra radio mast.

If the planes were USN, I'd guess John McCain was flying that day.

By the way, when is Candace going to apologize for her greedy smearjob on Stephen Crowder?

That's the first time my original intuition about her was confirmed, and before she started talking about Dajooz.

Sorry to Jewish patnetters. I give zero fucks about Israel. No intention of harming a jew, but I don't fucking care. Across the Atlantic or Pacific I give zero shits. Go ahead and genocide each other. Make it fun. I simply don't care.

I don't want death, but at some point I don't want the US involved in any of this shit. Our own country is the most divided it has been in a long time. Focus on that. Fuck Israel. Fuck Gaza. Fuck Syria. Fuck Ukraine. Fuck Russia. Somehow these dip shit cannot get along. We manage in the states with wildly varying politics.

A New Yorker goes to Montana and would be shell shocked. Someone from Oregon goes to Mississippi shell shocked. Yet our fighting is limited to words and not war. The ME is a cluster fuck of bull shit. Let it burn.

Seems like you are fixated upon Candace Owens. Let me take a wild guess; are you a big fan of Ben Shapiro?

RayAmerica says

Seems like you are fixated upon Candace Owens. Let me take a wild guess; are you a big fan of Ben Shapiro?

I don't believe this was directed at me. Ben Shapiro is a fast talker. He's not smart.

My thing if he's so concerned about Israel, get your ass over there and do something. 90% of the US public gives no shits about your religious cult. I don't care about Muslims. It's just a fight between 2% of the US population that doesn't involve 99% of them. It's click bait politics for revenue for his media empire that will crumble.

If a human could be a penis, Ben would be the photo. I've dealt with fast talkers before. It's a strategy to disarm you in debate and make you perceive them as smarter so your rebuttal is jumbled up because you didn't hear half the shit the fucker was saying.

To be fair Candace Owens is a token nigger. House nigger. If it was 1855 Ben would have whipped her for sure. As a right leaning person I despise both of them. The BS is to generate ad revenue. Candace probably sucks Ben's cock weekly or did at least.

RayAmerica says

Seems like you are fixated upon Candace Owens. Let me take a wild guess; are you a big fan of Ben Shapiro?

Assuming this is for me:

Ben Shapiro isn't my bag. Probably saw less than 10 minutes of combined Shapiro in my life. Like many people, I don't like his delivery style. However, he's never done anything super assholic or exhibited bad behavior but alot of people really 'hate him for some reason'.

Why is Owens so nasty to DW, they gave her a big hand up in her career. And why did she go after Crowder?

Kind of... backstabby behavior, amirite? Parasitic, even

RayAmerica says

Kind of funny that you don't appear to have a problem with the fact that 171 AMERICAN Naval personnel were seriously wounded and 34 AMERICANS were killed in this heinous attack that was perpetrated by our 'best friend & ally' Israel.

Friendly fire incident causes less outrage than a deliberatey bombing that killed about 7-8 times more Marines

Others think the Friendly fire incident is more important, because it 'proves' their humbug, and the media they consoooome is DARVO

Oh! Another one, the USS Stark. 37 Dead by French Exocet Missile fired by Saddam, who at the time we were backing against Iran.

AmericanKulak says

However, he's never done anything super assholic or exhibited bad behavior but alot of people really 'hate him for some reason'.

Why is Owens so nasty to DW, they gave her a big hand up in her career. And why did she go after Crowder?

I don't like either as a right leaning person. I think it's all fake. Don't have a pony in this race. I think it's ego and them out-kicking what they think their intelligence is. Political Science minor in college. I engaged with people like both of them. They were morons. Looks and fast talk. No different than acting. They're ultimately fools that discuss government and couldn't run it.

They run talk shows. We likely all could if we had the money. They have the money. I get better takes here from users, but not DW. Hence why I won't listen or click onto the site.

Two documentaries, proving beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Israel purposely attacked the American Naval vessel the USS Liberty during the 6 Day War with Egypt, killing 34 American servicemen and seriously wounding 171 while, clearly identified as an American Naval vessel and sailing in international waters:

"USS Liberty: Dead In The Water" (BBC Documentary 2002)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjOH1XMAwZA

The Day Israel Attacked America | Special Series
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx72tAWVcoM

(Included in this documentary are the actual tape recordings of the Israeli jet pilot communications with their base, which clearly identified the USS Liberty as an American ship, and yet, the attacks were ordered to continue)

Brief discussion regarding the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty ... very interesting:

USS Liberty: The Day Israel Attacked America
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Jn-2HIqvyE

PS: This issue has NOTHING to do with the Israeli people. It has EVERYTHING to do with its leaders, many of whom are opposed by Orthodox Rabbis and are persecuted by them as a result.

Horrible Zionists hack AEGIS to shoot down F-18
https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1870671987284353350

RayAmerica says

Two documentaries, proving beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Israel purposely attacked the American Naval vessel the USS Liberty during the 6 Day War with Egypt, killing 34 American servicemen and seriously wounding 171 while, clearly identified as an American Naval vessel and sailing in international waters:

Much more important, 250 Marines died trying to stop atrocities against Lebanese Christians:

https://www.marines.mil/News/Marines-TV/videoid/634642/dvpTag/Beirut/

The Group that did this became a founding member of Hezbollah.

RayAmerica says

PS: This issue has NOTHING to do with the Israeli people. It has EVERYTHING to do with its leaders, many of whom are opposed by Orthodox Rabbis and are persecuted by them as a result.

Israeli leaders = Zionists/terrorists. When you have the Hassidim beaten and persecuted, you know that the "leadership" is just a gang of medieval thugs.

Yep, that's why Israel has been warning everybody about Lav Torah and the ringleader fled on the eve of arrest.

stereotomy says

Israeli leaders = Zionists/terrorists. When you have the Hassidim beaten and persecuted, you know that the "leadership" is just a gang of medieval thugs.

Hassidim are mostly born out of Modern-era movements; even their dress is from the 1700-1800s. I don't think Hebrews in the 1st Century AD or before were wearing black jackets patterned on English Navy Uniforms or Western Style Hats.

Fortunately, Israel has the Nuclear Triad. Hezbollah is on the ropes and hopefully Christian Tyre can liberate itself.

BTW, things are going exactly as foretold by the WW2 veterans and commentators. As soon as most of them who were witnesses were gone... it would all come back.

Though this is mostly because Pakistani and Sudanese impressions on X or Tiktok are as monetizable as Western Ones.

I'm just watching the Demons in their Baghdad Scarfs moan and groan about Welcome All Refugees, Assassinate all CEOs, etc. etc. We'll probably see a lot of keffiyahs at the Jan 20th protests.

AmericanKulak says

Cool, when is Candace interviewing the survivors of the 1983 Beirut Bombing by Hezbollah that killed 250+ US Marines, no mistake, proudly done on purpose because the Marines were interfering with the slaughter of Christians by Iranian Stooges?

Has Hezbollah paid damages yet?

(Islamic Jihad Organization was a Shi'a group funded by the IRGC that later merged with other groups to become Hezbollah).

Candace isn't apologizing for Hezbollah or hemming and hawing about them, Right?

What business was theirs to be in Beirut? A concert? Don't believe everything you read. Slaughter my arse. Did you read up on the Sabra and Shatila massacre?

"The USS Liberty Attack Was Cold Blooded Murder" survivor Phil Tourney exposes the truth | Redacted

Excellent, informative, truthful interview of someone that was there:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cos1l5YeCy8

Reminder: Candace thinks LBJ is a Joooo.

OK, I get it. Let's discount the entire USS Liberty 'incident' in which Israel killed a measly 34 Americans and seriously wounded another 171 because Candace Owens said something stupid about LBJ.

Got it.

What's there to discuss? Any new info surfaced or some attention whore was having a slow day and decided to stir up some ancient shit?