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It's Still the Demography, Stupid


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2016 Feb 24, 2:26pm   2,337 views  26 comments

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Ten years ago this month - January 2006 - The Wall Street Journal and The New Criterion published my first draft of what would become the thesis of my bestselling book, America Alone. The Journal headline sums it up: "It's the Demography, Stupid." Opening paragraph:

Most people reading this have strong stomachs, so let me lay it out as baldly as I can: Much of what we loosely call the Western world will not survive this century, and much of it will effectively disappear within our lifetimes, including many if not most Western European countries. There'll probably still be a geographical area on the map marked as Italy or the Netherlands--probably--just as in Istanbul there's still a building called St. Sophia's Cathedral. But it's not a cathedral; it's merely a designation for a piece of real estate. Likewise, Italy and the Netherlands will merely be designations for real estate. The challenge for those who reckon Western civilization is on balance better than the alternatives is to figure out a way to save at least some parts of the West.

The argument was straightforward. The western world is going out of business because it's given up having babies. The 20th century welfare state, with its hitherto unknown concepts such as spending a third of your adult lifetime in "retirement", is premised on the basis that there will be enough new citizens to support the old. But there won't be. Lazy critics of my thesis thought that I was making a "prediction", and that my predictions were no more reliable than Al Gore's or Michael Mann's on the looming eco-apocalypse. I tried to explain that it's not really a prediction at all:

When it comes to forecasting the future, the birthrate is the nearest thing to hard numbers. If only a million babies are born in 2006, it's hard to have two million adults enter the workforce in 2026 (or 2033, or 2037, or whenever they get around to finishing their Anger Management and Queer Studies degrees). And the hard data on babies around the Western world is that they're running out a lot faster than the oil is. "Replacement" fertility rate--i.e., the number you need for merely a stable population, not getting any bigger, not getting any smaller--is 2.1 babies per woman. Some countries are well above that: the global fertility leader, Somalia, is 6.91, Niger 6.83, Afghanistan 6.78, Yemen 6.75. Notice what those nations have in common?

Scroll way down to the bottom of the Hot One Hundred top breeders and you'll eventually find the United States, hovering just at replacement rate with 2.07 births per woman. Ireland is 1.87, New Zealand 1.79, Australia 1.76. But Canada's fertility rate is down to 1.5, well below replacement rate; Germany and Austria are at 1.3, the brink of the death spiral; Russia and Italy are at 1.2; Spain 1.1, about half replacement rate. That's to say, Spain's population is halving every generation. By 2050, Italy's population will have fallen by 22%.

Enter Islam, which sportingly volunteered to be the children we couldn't be bothered having ourselves, and which kind offer was somewhat carelessly taken up by the post-Christian west. As I wrote a decade ago:

The design flaw of the secular social-democratic state is that it requires a religious-society birthrate to sustain it. Post-Christian hyperrationalism is, in the objective sense, a lot less rational than Catholicism or Mormonism. Indeed, in its reliance on immigration to ensure its future, the European Union has adopted a 21st-century variation on the strategy of the Shakers, who were forbidden from reproducing and thus could increase their numbers only by conversion.

That didn't work out too great for the Shakers, but the Europeans figured it would be a piece of cake for them: "westernization" is so seductive, so appealing that, notwithstanding the occasional frothing imam and burka-bagged crone, their young Muslims would fall for the siren song of secular progressivism just like they themselves had. So, as long as you kept the immigrants coming, there would be no problem - as long as you oomphed up the scale of the solution. As I put it:

To avoid collapse, European nations will need to take in immigrants at a rate no stable society has ever attempted.

Last year, Angela Merkel decided to attempt it. The German Chancellor cut to the chase and imported in twelve months 1.1 million Muslim "refugees". That doesn't sound an awful lot out of 80 million Germans, but, in fact, the 1.1 million Muslim are overwhelmingly (80 per cent plus) fit, virile, young men. Germany has fewer than ten million people in the same population cohort, among whom Muslims are already over-represented: the median age of Germans as a whole is 46, the median age of German Muslims is 34. But let's keep the numbers simple, and assume that of those ten million young Germans half of them are ethnic German males. Frau Merkel is still planning to bring in another million "refugees" this year. So by the end of 2016 she will have imported a population equivalent to 40 per cent of Germany's existing young male cohort. The future is here now: It's not about "predictions".

On standard patterns of "family reunification", these two million "refugees" will eventually bring another four or five persons each from their native lands - or another eight-to-ten million. In the meantime, they have the needs of all young lads, and no one around to gratify them except the local womenfolk. Hence, New Year's Eve in Cologne, and across the southern border the Vienna police chief warning women not to go out unaccompanied, and across the northern border:

Danish nightclubs demand guests have to speak Danish, English or German to be allowed in after 'foreign men in groups' attack female revellers

But don't worry, it won't be a problem for long: On the German and Swedish "migrant" numbers, there won't be a lot of "female revelry" in Europe's future. The formerly firebreathing feminists at The Guardian and the BBC are already falling as mute as battered wives - saying nothing, looking away, making excuses, clutching at rationalizations... Ten years ago, I wrote:

The problem is that secondary-impulse societies mistake their weaknesses for strengths--or, at any rate, virtues--and that's why they're proving so feeble at dealing with a primal force like Islam.

"Multiculturalism" was less an immigration policy than an advertisement of our moral virtue. So the really bad thing about New Year's Eve is not that Continental women got groped and raped by coarse backward "migrants", but that all these gropes and rapes might provoke the even more coarse and backward natives. I did all the gags a decade ago:

The old definition of a nanosecond was the gap between the traffic light changing in New York and the first honk from a car behind. The new definition is the gap between a terrorist bombing and the press release from an Islamic lobby group warning of a backlash against Muslims.

And so it goes ten years on. We're beyond parody now. A decade back, I noted:

Then September 11 happened. And bizarrely the reaction of just about every prominent Western leader was to visit a mosque: President Bush did, the prince of Wales did, the prime minister of the United Kingdom did, the prime minister of Canada did . . . The premier of Ontario didn't, and so 20 Muslim community leaders had a big summit to denounce him for failing to visit a mosque... But for whatever reason he couldn't fit it into his hectic schedule. Ontario's citizenship minister did show up at a mosque, but the imams took that as a great insult, like the Queen sending Fergie to open the Commonwealth Games.

Nobody makes that mistake these days. Six Canadians working for a Quebec Catholic humanitarian organization repairing schoolrooms in Burkina Faso get slaughtered by Muslim terrorists, and the Prince Minister skedaddles to a mosque run by a woman-hating loon to hold the moment of silence.

Like I said, I did all the jokes way back when, and it's not so funny after ten years. My thesis was straightforward: a semi-Muslim France will not be France; it will be something other, and - if you happen to value things like freedom of speech and women's rights - it will be something worse:

Can a society become increasingly Islamic in its demographic character without becoming increasingly Islamic in its political character?

This ought to be the left's issue. I'm a conservative--I'm not entirely on board with the Islamist program when it comes to beheading sodomites and so on, but I agree Britney Spears dresses like a slut: I'm with Mullah Omar on that one. Why then, if your big thing is feminism or abortion or gay marriage, are you so certain that the cult of tolerance will prevail once the biggest demographic in your society is cheerfully intolerant? Who, after all, are going to be the first victims of the West's collapsed birthrates?

And so it goes, on the streets of the most "liberal" "progressive" cities on the planet.

A few weeks before The Wall Street Journal published my piece, I discussed its themes at an event in New York whose speakers included Douglas Murray. Douglas was more optimistic: He suggested that Muslim populations in Europe were still small, and immigration policy could be changed: Easier said than done. My essay and book were so influential that in the decade since, the rate of Islamization in the west has increased - via all three principal methods: Muslim immigration, Muslim birthrates of those already here, Muslim conversion of the infidels. David Goldman thinks aging, childless Germany has embraced civilizational suicide as redemption for their blood-soaked sins. Maybe. But it is less clear why the Continent's less tainted polities - impeccably "neutral" Sweden, for example - are so eager to join them. As I wrote:

Permanence is the illusion of every age. In 1913, no one thought the Russian, Austrian, German and Turkish empires would be gone within half a decade. Seventy years on, all those fellows who dismissed Reagan as an "amiable dunce" (in Clark Clifford's phrase) assured us the Soviet Union was likewise here to stay. The CIA analysts' position was that East Germany was the ninth biggest economic power in the world. In 1987 there was no rash of experts predicting the imminent fall of the Berlin Wall, the Warsaw Pact and the USSR itself.

Somewhere, deep down, the European political class understands that the Great Migrations have accelerated the future I outlined way back when:

Can these trends continue for another 30 years without having consequences? Europe by the end of this century will be a continent after the neutron bomb: The grand buildings will still be standing, but the people who built them will be gone. We are living through a remarkable period: the self-extinction of the races who, for good or ill, shaped the modern world.

It's the biggest story of our time, and, ten years on, Europe's leaders still can't talk about it, not to their own peoples, not honestly. For all the "human rights" complaints, and death threats from halfwits, and subtler rejections from old friends who feel I'm no longer quite respectable, I'm glad I brought it up. And it's well past time for others to speak out.

http://www.steynonline.com/7428/it-still-the-demography-stupid

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3   indigenous   2016 Feb 24, 8:05pm  

It would appear that the US is more likely to be taken over by Catholics/Mexicans than Muslims.

I would not include conquest as a virtue.

The Romans were taken over by the Christians in the same manner Mark Steyn describes regarding the Muslims.

4   indigenous   2016 Feb 24, 8:05pm  

P N Dr Lo R says

And aborted approximately 42 million at a rate of about 1M a year since 1973, removing their potential for reproduction.

Good Point.

5   indigenous   2016 Feb 24, 8:07pm  

Notice Steyn points out that the Feminazis are very muted on this point in the EU and Britain. I.E. Patrick miss assigns this causality.

8   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2024 Nov 17, 4:25am  

Yeah, but what is the fertility rate in the invaders population?
9   RC2006   2024 Nov 17, 9:24am  

Nothing boosts fertility like war.
10   TechBrosWon   2024 Nov 17, 11:52am  

Sikhs and Whites better start having lot of children to avoid Muslim/Hindu takeover.
See that Hindu Cow Belt breeds crazy.


11   AmericanKulak   2024 Nov 17, 12:46pm  

RC2006 says

Nothing boosts fertility like war.

Yep, we're going to knock up the women before we send them overseas.

It's time for equity, the next war should be all-women draftees.

We can emergency authorize millions of Filipinas and Latinas to come in as emergency workers ;)
12   Ceffer   2024 Nov 17, 1:19pm  

As the ascending Yuga enlightens the collective consciousness and raises the general IQ, the bloodlines have to struggle mightily to replace the ascendant and aware populations with grunting primitives to keep their control grids effective.
13   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Nov 17, 2:42pm  

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

Yeah, but what is the fertility rate in the invaders population?


That is what is propping up Sweden's and Germany's birth rates. They would be more like Switzerland's or even Italy's otherwise.
14   AmericanKulak   2024 Nov 17, 2:44pm  

Booger says






No correlation, I'm sure.
15   Booger   2024 Nov 19, 2:23am  

https://scrd.app/199hlMLSqL/

Asking chat got how to replace a race of people.
16   zzyzzx   2024 Nov 19, 6:48am  

Ripped off from another thread:


18   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Dec 24, 3:49pm  




China today is 4 times more populous than the United States. At the turn of the century, it could conceivably have roughly the same number of people as America.

China's population, reported to be 1.41 billion, will drop to 330 million by the end of the century
, predicts Yi Fuxian of the University of Wisconsin-Madison. This startling conclusion is included in a paper to be published in the Winter 2024 issue of the Contemporary China Review. He's not the only one concerned. "China has embarked on a road of demographic no-return," writes Wang Feng of the University of California, Irvine. Yi puts it this way: "Left unaddressed, China's demographic trap could precipitate a civilizational collapse."


https://www.newsweek.com/end-china-great-power-population-collapse-opinion-2005236
19   HeadSet   2024 Dec 24, 6:16pm  

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

China's population, reported to be 1.41 billion, will drop to 330 million

Yes, the number for a sustainable middle class. No nation can support a billion plus people unless 3/4 of them are living hand to mouth.
20   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Dec 24, 8:02pm  

HeadSet says

Yes, the number for a sustainable middle class.


That's not how demographic collapse works. Absolute numbers don't matter; relative ones do.

Think of it being like a plague only in slow mo.

There won't be enough consumers or workers relative to retired for DECADES. And infrastructure breaks down because it can't be maintained. South Korea, Ukraine and Russia are also getting hit with this. Same for Germany, Spain and Italy as well.

Canada bought itself some time...probably 40 years because of its hyper immigration policies but most nations can't do that.
22   WookieMan   2025 Jan 8, 2:28pm  

Just post a link at some point and not a picture book.
23   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2025 Jan 8, 7:01pm  

WookieMan says

Just post a link at some point and not a picture book.


What is your problem with the quote function?
24   WookieMan   2025 Jan 9, 12:35am  

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

WookieMan says


Just post a link at some point and not a picture book.


What is your problem with the quote function?

🤦 Has nothing to do with the quote function. Has everything to do with all these threads turning into screen shots of unoriginal content. Not searchable. You have to scroll a ton if you haven't visited a thread and everyone is just posting images. It's Idiocracy at it's worst. It's lazy.

I know that might hurt some feels, but I wish people would post less images. I came here for real estate and it evolved into politics. Fine. But it's unreadable at this point. Frankly childish. Have your own thoughts. Post a link and the user can choose to view it or not. I'll click it if intrigued or not. I don't need articles forced down my throat through images.

I know, there's ignore before someone goes there. But let's all be honest this is getting dumber by the day. If you have to quote other people and don't have a cogent thought, what was the point? Invite that person to the site instead of just ripping their comments via screen grab. It's a low level of plagiarizing. Or just write your own stuff.
25   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2025 Jan 9, 8:35am  

WookieMan says

I know that might hurt some feels, but I wish people would post less images


Good for you.
26   HeadSet   2025 Jan 9, 6:00pm  

WookieMan says

I came here for real estate

Speaking of which, now that you have that construction loan, are you going to detail the build? Is site work next?

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