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indc says

Hindu saints asked Nehru our first prime minister to let them go to thise states and stop these conversions

They are thinking for themselves, Oh my GOD somebody stop them!

Tenpoundbass says

They are thinking for themselves, Oh my GOD somebody stop them!

Nope, did you read @patrick comment from 0% christians they became 50% christian under british rule. Hindu saints wanted to change this distortion.
I know you are a jesuit at heart i dont blame you. But what is the difference between muslims and christians if they convert people when they are in power?

https://x.com/BJDOnny123/status/1877373239598448908

Brave Hindus kicked 30-40 paid cryptos who came with loud speakers to disturb the peace in the area and to convert gullible Hindus. Brave Hindus not only stopped them, argued nicely and kicked them all out.

indc says

I know you are a jesuit at heart i dont blame you. But what is the difference between muslims and christians if they convert people when they are in power?

I would have no problem with Hindus coming to this country and forming a majority community. I would take great delight in going to Little India during that colored powder festival and have a ripping time at it. But there's a huge difference with Muslim communities. It's not enough that they come they must force people into their religion and even advocate death and violence toward the nonbelievers. If I were to go to Dearborn Michigan during Ramadan or some Muslim festival I would be assaulted or knifed for some fauxpas that I was unaware I was committing, any female with me would get acid thrown on her face for not covering her head,, and so on.

Now are you saying those Christian converts in that area are converting people through force and intimidation? Because that's the big difference here between all religions and those religions caution toward Muslims. Muslims don't get the homework assignment.

Also Indc you said those Christian areas are "no go zones" I have a hard time believing that you mean it in the same context that Muslims has created no go zones in Europe and Dearborn Michigan.
Perhaps they were declared no go zones by the zealots in the Hindu and Muslim communities worried they might lose another one to Ditech(bubble era commercial reference). Which by the way, why aren't you upset about all of the Muslim conversion in India? But are saying that the Christians in those "No go zone" Christian areas violently reject any outside nonbelievers from going to those areas? Are they acting like Muslims and Hindus in that regard, then see my original answer to your Christian perplex.
Where I said not every Christian around the world are the same homogenized culture, where "Love your brother" reigns supreme. Some can be just as zealous and head chopping serious as those other religions in their region. They just drank a different flavor of Koolaid.
Why don't you just convert them back?

Tenpoundbass says

But there's a huge difference with Muslim communities.

Right, Muslims consistently murder random innocent people who refuse to convert to Islam, or who speak up about what Mohammed actually did.

Christians don't murder people in the name of Christianity, or at least they are not supposed to even if the Catholic Church of the middle ages was rather intolerant and oppressive.

Jesus didn't murder anyone, but Mohammed murdered lots of people.

If you guys think Hindus are any better than Muslims you haven’t seen Hindu crimes.

Hindus are world’s worst genociders and gang rapists. No women safe from Hindu gang rapists.

Documents Hindu Crimes:
https://www.hindutvawatch.org/

List of Sikh babies killed by Hindu terrorists:
https://ensaaf.org/

Documenting Hindu crimes against Christians:
https://x.com/FriedrichPieter

Hindu genocided and raped Sikhs just for their religion:
https://time.com/3545867/india-1984-sikh-genocide-anniversary/

Tenpoundbass says

Now are you saying those Christian converts in that area are converting people through force and intimidation? Because that's the big difference here between all religions and those religions caution toward Muslims. Muslims don't get the homework assignment.

Yes I am saying that. They are threatening Indian forces and killing hindus and threatening to vacate their homes.
Should indian forces use extreme measures?

From your statement looks like you think I am dismissing your concerns about muslims in west. I am not. I am just saying the basic ideology is same for both religions. And can hindus have ancestoral land for themselves in India. Without the threat from dollar funded missionaries. And the west stop threatening INDIA whenever a skirmish happens with christians in India?

Right!
What I am trying to ascertain from Indc is if these conversions are happening through duress and coercion?
Is it the elder Christian are whipping up the masses to attack nonbelievers and force them to convert, or face the violent consequences. Or are these organic instances of people coming home to Jesus where they see a better option than the other mainstream religions in the region.

If Muslims were the religion of peace, and actually practiced what they claim they are. Which lies in stark contrast to their actions. The Islam creep would be impossible to stop in America if it were spreading due to organic spirituality. But what is happening they are being foisted upon communities, and language is being criminalized to oppose or offer any honest critique of the results. We have many in black urban areas converting to Muslim, American's don't see them as the root cause of the Muslim creep but rather a product. If the American constitution was applied to the Islamic community and they were held to the same constitutional standards as other religions. They would either have to change their tune or be driven out and even incarcerated. Prisons are full of Cult leaders.

Without giving me any other input other than he's defending his homeland traditional values. But he knows it's not prudent for me to return the same sentiment for my own country. Now he would have me champion oppressing minority religions and groups in his own country, where I can't do it in my own country. And it's very unamerican to dislike a group just based on those monikers alone. We have a wide breadth of grievances to go along with our rejection and complaints. The underlying politics, the preferential treatment and the double standards, are the American complaint with such ill-suited cultures that come to America.

When I ask him about his concerns he just points to the population growth. America can't and won't complain about domestic Islamic growth. It's the imported culture that clashes and is in stark violation of our Constitution that we reject. Having inmans that rattle their swords and shout death to America on our own streets during our founder's day parades. That's where we draw the line the bunkers and militia training centers in the desert that trains kids to be future Jihad terrorists, while Obama laughs, that's what we reject. Tangible gripes that goes beyond what books they read.

Tenpoundbass says

Also Indc you said those Christian areas are "no go zones" I have a hard time believing that you mean it in the same context that Muslims

Yes. You may dont want to believe but that is the truth. Hence I keep asking will you support Indian govt if they change them back to "go zones" or green zones.

He's confusing me for a Liberal. They huff and puff over percentages and numbers. I want facts.

In what way are they no go zones?

Do the Christians string up wanderers that strayed into those areas. Or is it the Inmans from the mosque down the street that will stone you to death for going?

Yes isn't squelching my curiosity and you want get me on board with tightlipped answers.

Also this is how you can tell someone is losing the argument, or really doesn't understand their own grievance they have with an issue.

"Watch the video!"

Patrick says

Jesus didn't murder anyone, but Mohammed murdered lots of people.

But Jesus is imaginary and MoMo was real. I am kidding about Jesus.😉

My point is it doesn't matter what those figures did. All that matters is what are their followers doing now.
I am sure 98% of christians are harmless and dont even know what the missionaries say or do.

TechBrosWon says

If you guys think Hindus are any better than Muslims you haven’t seen Hindu crimes.

Hindus have the home court advantage here. I won't knock them for existing in India. I'm just trying to wrap my head around why a Christian minority in a Country which it is. Can't have one region in the country where they are a marginal majority? Aside from him telling me, that they are just a rabid head choppers over nonsense that isn't even Christian like or they are being manipulated by NGO's and are converted or they don't get work, money or housing.
I can't comment on who's at fault, I'm not saying any of the religions are better in India. But there are always pot stirrers and agitators that manipulates the spirituality for their own personal gain. Like say a Skih was to come to Patnet and try to manipulate every post about our crooked dishonest politics and try to inject their own biased supremacy agenda.

Tenpoundbass says

In what way are they no go zones?

Tenpoundbass says

"Watch the video!"

You asked me to explain how they are no go zones. I provide a video proof.

Sikhs have no supremacy stuff, see daily prayer below.
Hindus are dangerous for 🇺🇸 as they are Trojan horses of 🇮🇳 to destroy 🇺🇸 for BRICS.

@tenpoundbass
I think you have problem with me speaking truth and saying things plainly with proof.
Freedom of speech is important.

Sikh motto/prayer:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbat_da_bhala
The term outlines one of the most important of Sikh principles and is a point that is repeated in the Sikh Scriptures. The Sikh concept of sarbat da bhala which means "blessings for everyone" or literally "may everyone prosper".[1] This statement is repeated by all practicing Sikhs at least twice daily as part of their Nitnem (daily prayers). This concept is central to Sikhism and forms a very important and essential role in the religious philosophy of the Sikh Gurus.

The guy in that video was talking up his opinion no more or no less than what you are doing now. He provided no facts, no news wire, no names, no organization. He just blamed Christians.
His gripe goes back to when the Portuguese ruled over Indonesia and spread Christianity, which spread to India.
We all know how Christianity got to Asia, but the Kings of Europe isn't funding crusades to Asia with the papacy mandates today.

We can't apply 15th century politics and foist them upon todays politics. That what Liberals around the world are doing to erase our own culture. We reject it there, and I reject it here.

TechBrosWon says

tenpoundbass
I think you have problem with me speaking truth and saying things plainly with proof.
Freedom of speech is important.

No I have a problem with you trying to segue your politics into any topic.

Tenpoundbass says

The guy in that video was talking up his opinion no more or no less than what you are doing now

I agree. There is no proof in the video. I will provide you proof in next news cycle. I just shared what i thought will explain the situation. I will keep sharing news here whenever i can get hold of the news.

I never bothered to talk about it here becos i considered it as India's internal matter and wasn't sure anyone in US will understand or even bothered with this news.

But @patrick asked about attrocities against christians in India. So this is the thread i am going to add the news.

No problem, and I'm not out of sorts with you in any way over anything that we have discussed here.
I'm personally not religious enough to get ugly over my religious views.

indc says

My point is it doesn't matter what those figures did. All that matters is what are their followers doing now.

I disagree. It matters a lot what those figures did.

The followers imitate the leaders most of the time, which is why Islam is so insanely violent.

Tenpoundbass says

No problem, and I'm not out of sorts with you in any way over anything that we have discussed here.
I'm personally not religious enough to get ugly over my religious views.

Tenpoundbass says

TechBrosWon says

tenpoundbass
I think you have problem with me speaking truth and saying things plainly with proof.
Freedom of speech is important.

No I have a problem with you trying to segue your politics into any topic.

Are you talking about “our politics” or “your politics” ?
I have seen 10s of thread you create on this site which as 🇺🇸 citizen hardly matter to me, those are your pet projects and I have deep respect for freedom of speech.

I never came and said you are hijacking as it is “our politics” not “my politics”.

Patrick says

indc says

My point is it doesn't matter what those figures did. All that matters is what are their followers doing now.

I disagree. It matters a lot what those figures did.

The followers imitate the leaders most of the time, which is why Islam is so insanely violent.

Totally agree!
Flying monkey Gods make Hindus not live in reality like drinking toxic cow urine.

Patrick says

I disagree. It matters a lot what those figures did.

I kinda understand where you are coming from. But as a Hindu i think you cannot assign fathers' sins to their children. And i think that is what christianity says too except for the original sin.

TechBrosWon says

Totally agree!
Flying monkey Gods make Hindus not live in reality like drinking toxic cow urine.

I think virgin birth believers will not have problem with flying monkey gods.

indc says

TechBrosWon says

Totally agree!
Flying monkey Gods make Hindus not live in reality like drinking toxic cow urine.

I think virgin birth believers will not have problem with flying monkey gods.

Lot more believable and less stupid than “Monkey Eating the sun” and “elephant surgery on humans”.