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The Tangent Thread


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2005 Nov 7, 3:26pm   26,053 views  166 comments

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Many of us have been here awhile, and while we think housing is an important topic (we wouldn't all gather her otherwise) we do digress quite a bit.

One topic that has come up time and time again is the issue of dual income families, and the rise in housing costs that have occured because so many familes now have two incomes instead of one.

We've discussed the role of the woman in the workplace and at home, so perhaps it's time to digress a little more.
-- Have dual incomes been a big factor in housing prices?
-- Do those of us who live on one income end up renters as a result?
--Are we better or worse off now that the majority of households have two incomes?
--Have the cost of other goods and services risen due to the extra income, or can that be blamed on inflation?

In other words, are we as a society in the same place economically as we would be if we stayed in a predominantly one income society?

#housing

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14   HARM   2005 Nov 7, 4:20pm  

I used to wonder why so few people volunteered to be thread moderators.

I got deleted on another thread for straying off topic (hence the Tangent Thread) and gave Matt and Allah holy hell for the rest of the day.

It would be quite hard to do a zero content thread.
And i am not talking about Matts thread.

I don't wonder anymore (poor Matt). :-(

15   praetorian   2005 Nov 7, 4:23pm  

Sqt, you must learn to let go of your aggression. Anger, darkness that way lies.

Pour down center.

AGAIN!

Cheers,
prat

16   praetorian   2005 Nov 7, 4:24pm  

OK, I'm going to bed. I'll post more nonsense tomorrow.

BTW, Harm, buddy. Good to see you back.

Cheerio,
prat

17   HARM   2005 Nov 7, 4:24pm  

Ok, so he was a little overzealous. So...?
Jeez... I'm trying to ENCOURAGE more poeple to volunteer as threadmasters.

C'mon, everyone makes mistakes, especially on their first thread.

18   HARM   2005 Nov 7, 4:26pm  

Thanks, Prat - g'nite.

19   HARM   2005 Nov 7, 4:27pm  

Yes, I agree with you on that, SQT, but I think he 'got it' by now. Don't want to beat him to death about, that's all.

20   praetorian   2005 Nov 7, 4:29pm  

OK, last last post.

At some level I sympathize with the guys who want to keep the site on-topic. That's why I don't post as much as I used to. I don't have anything much useful to say, I don't have the time or desire to keep track of any interesting statistics, so all I really offer is the occasional smart-ass remark.

Did I mention how big Marina Prime's head is? It's like an orange on a toothpick. It's like sputnick: spherical but quite pointy at parts. It's got its own weather system!

I really wish we had a more general message board to work with. Then we could segment on topic much more easily. We are using wordpress in a way it just wasn't designed to handle.

Cheers,
prat

21   HARM   2005 Nov 7, 4:32pm  

I agree about Allah's comments, Jack, but it was Matt's ballgame. You may not always agree with the call, but there comes a time when you've made your point and it's time to move on. I think we're well past it.

22   HARM   2005 Nov 7, 4:33pm  

Anyhoo, how about those Dodgers...?

23   HARM   2005 Nov 7, 4:35pm  

Whoops, wrong season... how about those Lakers?

24   HARM   2005 Nov 7, 4:46pm  

Yes, I agree that many of Allah's posts were mildly to overtly sexist, and Matt had a somewhat pro-male bias when censoring posts, whether intentional or not. And he was overzealous with the delete key.

And, no, this thread doesn't bother me. :-)

25   HARM   2005 Nov 7, 5:10pm  

— Have dual incomes been a big factor in housing prices?
Yes and No.

— Do those of us who live on one income end up renters as a result?
Sometimes.

–Are we better or worse off now that the majority of households have two incomes?
Possibly.

–Have the cost of other goods and services risen due to the extra income, or can that be blamed on inflation?
Neither.

In other words, are we as a society in the same place economically as we would be if we stayed in a predominantly one income society?
Depends.

Well, glad that's all settled now. G'nite all....

26   HARM   2005 Nov 7, 5:46pm  

Sorry, couldn't resist one final jab...

Matt, thanks for hanging in there with the moderation, buddy. Despite your being a subconsciously sexist trigger-happy censor, I think you're doing a brilliant job!

But what do I know, I'm just an unrepentant chavinist appeaser?
Chauvinism is Prime :twisted:

27   KurtS   2005 Nov 8, 12:00am  

Where's PeterP....

Toll is off 12% sofar.
Not a great day for home builders
http://tinyurl.com/bl5rm

28   praetorian   2005 Nov 8, 1:33am  

Affordability dives:

http://tinyurl.com/dpg5e

So we are either entering the much predicted era of landlord aristo-dictatorship, where non-owners treck in MadMax-like packs from apocalyptic outpost to apocalyptic outpost, but in search of housing rather than gas, or the market is going to pull back.

I'm covered either way. If we go all MadMax, my FJ is going to be extremely useful.

Cheers,
prat

29   KurtS   2005 Nov 8, 1:56am  

I’m covered either way. If we go all MadMax, my FJ is going to be extremely useful

And I'll mount a cannon on my deck, and charge boats for "right of passage".
Who knows...maybe we'll even get "positive cash flow"?

30   Jamie   2005 Nov 8, 2:01am  

On tangents, trucks, and stuff:

Wow you guys were prolific last night--like bunnies. I missed out on the org--er, I mean, conversation.

Okay, and anyone who doesn't come around here much anymore (ahem...prat) because they feel guilty posting their smart-ass comments, needs to realize that the smart-ass comments provide much needed comic relief from what can at times be dry stuff. Prat, the blog suffers in your absence. And in Surfer-X's absence too.

That Toyota was pretty hot. But I have ridden through the desert in a real Hummer (not one of those candy-ass ones) with actual soldiers driving, and tanks rolling around everywhere, and it rocked. One of the highlights of my young life. :-P Hummers rule.

And sorry guys, Huey Lewis and the News?! You offend me. I can't think of many worse bands. Maybe Starship is worse. Prince ruled the 80s, with his little ass showing and everything.

31   Allah   2005 Nov 8, 2:05am  

And sorry guys, Huey Lewis and the News?! You offend me. I can’t think of many worse bands.

huh? Aren't you insulting someones listening favorites?

32   Jamie   2005 Nov 8, 2:09am  

"huh? Aren’t you insulting someones listening favorites?"

Yes! And I was JOKING! And they KNOW it! :-P I'm all for joking around with you, allah. But don't try to claim you were just joking the other day, because the tone of your post made it clear you weren't. :-P :-P :-P

33   Jamie   2005 Nov 8, 2:11am  

And if you were joking just now, use some smiley faces or something. Because, due to our history, I'm only able to imagine your tone as antagonistic. :-P :-P :-P

34   Jamie   2005 Nov 8, 2:14am  

Ooooooh, look out, the claws are coming out! The claws, the big scary claws! And the explosive chemicals are reacting! Oooooh!

35   Allah   2005 Nov 8, 2:17am  

Isn’t Prince like 5′2″ or something. Huey beats him on looks at least.

You too SQT? Can't you just love us for our MINDS?

36   Jamie   2005 Nov 8, 2:17am  

My husband hates Hummers too after having to drive one around the desert for a few years and even living on it. But I still think they rock.

Prince is probably that short, but hey at least he wears high heels. :-P Huey is sooooooo not better looking.

37   Jamie   2005 Nov 8, 2:19am  

I really just love Prince's music and have no designs on him. I think he's freakishly brilliant, or brilliantly freakish, or something.

38   Allah   2005 Nov 8, 2:20am  

A mind is good. But really, do I want to be with a man who’s 8″ shorter than me? Shallow I know, but there it is.

Well now....admit that I am no more a sexist than you are.

39   Jamie   2005 Nov 8, 2:25am  

Isn't it interesting that we're so biologically programmed to respond to certain physical features that we even choose dogs for pets that look like us?

40   Jamie   2005 Nov 8, 2:26am  

And on that compelling note, I really need to go get some work done. Sorry I'll miss all the goat play--er, I mean, conversation.

Allah, why do you not reply to so many of my questions? On this thread and the others? I'm hurt. Terribly, terribly hurt. Horribly, irreparably hurt! Woe is me! I'm off to sharpen my long scary nails now.

41   Jamie   2005 Nov 8, 2:28am  

Oh, I didn't ask you any questions on this thread. Never mind. On the other threads--that's what I meant.

42   Allah   2005 Nov 8, 2:32am  

Only when you admit that looks aren’t important to you and that your attraction to your wife had nothing to do with her beauty.

Why would I admit something that is not true....Yes my wife is beautiful, young and has a body of a venus despite the fact that she had a child....However, my relationship with my wife is much deeper than looks. We understand each other and she has the qualities I desire in a Woman. She appreciates my old fashioned values and views. She knows me better than anyone....not only is she my lover, but she is my best friend.

43   Allah   2005 Nov 8, 2:34am  

Oh, I didn’t ask you any questions on this thread. Never mind. On the other threads–that’s what I meant.

What questions did I miss?

44   Allah   2005 Nov 8, 2:45am  

Only when you admit that looks aren’t important to you and that your attraction to your wife had nothing to do with her beauty.

So why did you want me to admit that? Obviously this doesn't apply to eaither of us....Which brings me back to admit that I am no more a sexist than you are.

45   Allah   2005 Nov 8, 2:55am  

You know what really gets me about this sexist calling thing..... A Woman will dress sexy and go out somewhere....A guy will check her out and all of a sudden he is a sexist! Don't tell me Women (alot of them) dress like that because they want to impress other Women........Women don't want to be a sexual object, but they go right ahead and make themselves as sexy as they can........ I just don't understand. Us guys and I do mean all of us (except for Jack) do like to look at Women who dress sexy..... It's our animal instinct and as long as the Women who dress that way continue to do so, we will continue to look (with a careful eye). BTW, my wife understands this and wouldn't get upset with me as long as I don't stare or make it look so obvious. She understands what turns Men on....She understands me and would not try to change me one bit.

Men and Women are truley different species and one should not judge another without walking in the same shoes first.....as in the case of Jack....he may have already (just kidding). :lol:

46   frank649   2005 Nov 8, 3:20am  

new topic please!

47   Allah   2005 Nov 8, 3:29am  

And do not assume that I am above (or beneath) looking at a woman “that way”…..

(Frankly I enjoy BOTH of those angles…… oh, and sitting across from a woman in a chair with both of us totally naked works really well too for, you know….LOL)

Then that makes you just as much a sexist as the rest of us! I rest my case.

48   Allah   2005 Nov 8, 3:30am  

new topic please!

There is no thread bubble.

49   HARM   2005 Nov 8, 3:38am  

It's been a long time since I've 'been in the market', so to speak, but I've found that younger women aren't very appearance-focused compared to most men. The one physical feature that reliably seems to attract is that conspicuous bulge in a man's pants --you know the one I'm talking about, ladies? That's right --a man's wallet!

I've observed this tendency just about everywhere, but for some reason, it's especially pronounced in California.

Chauvisim is Prime :twisted:

50   HARM   2005 Nov 8, 3:45am  

My husband loves the fact that I married him when he had nothing. See, not all women are mercenary.

Ditto for me --I was poor as a church mouse when I met my wife, and it didn't matter to her. One reason why I fell in love and married her!

51   HARM   2005 Nov 8, 3:57am  

I agree that it is fair for a man to watch his bank account once he has gained a certain level of financial success. The pre-nuptuial agreement has probably saved a lot of fortunes.

Agreed --actually, as women gain more $$ and power, this will work both ways. I would imagine Carly Fiorina, Martha Stewart, Oprah, etc. are in this category.

52   frank649   2005 Nov 8, 4:14am  

How about a digression of the digression...

NEW YORK, Nov 8 (Reuters) - U.S. stocks declined on Tuesday after leading home builder Toll Brothers Inc. gave a disappointing outlook for next year, raising concern that the housing sector, an important driver of economic growth, may be slowing.

Shares of Toll Brothers plunged 11.8 percent to $34.78 after the luxury home builder warned new home deliveries and earnings next year would probably fall short of its forecast.

The slide in Toll Brothers' shares helped push the Dow Jones U.S. Home Construction Index down 6.3 percent, its biggest one-day drop since November 2002.

53   Allah   2005 Nov 8, 4:16am  

Sexism relates to how one sex views the other.

Exactly....as in.....

Prince ruled the 80s, with his little ass showing and everything.

Now I ask you, does your lovely wife always agree with you?

no.

Do you value her opinions as much when she disagree’s?

yes.

SQT, I value your opinions too....if I didn't, I wouldn't even bother to continue to argue.

And if she didn’t have the “body of a venus” after having children, would you love her less? I would hope not.

Well....I'd have to find another......just kidding,..... I told you our relationship is alot deeper than that.

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