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Are the Condo Coversions in Your Town Going to Sell?


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2005 Dec 1, 2:21am   20,012 views  70 comments

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The developer's answer to the stratospheric rise in home prices seems to have become the condo conversion. What that usually means is taking a crappy apartment building, throwing a new coat of paint on it, maybe knocking out a few walls and throwing in an appliance or two and calling it a condo.

Do you know of any in your neighborhood? If so, how do they look? What do you think are the long term prospects for the condo conversions? I have heard in the past of condo conversions being turned back into apartment buildings when the market cools. Do you think that will happen again?

And what about pricing? How much are the crappy condo's going for in your neck of the woods? How far down do you think they will go in value?

And one last thing, do you think taking the apartments off the market will affect rents at all?

Per tannenbaum's request

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10   Allah   2005 Dec 2, 9:09am  

Lydia’s opinions are meaningless, but perhaps the biggest flaw on her website is her business strategy marketing (only???) to women, which, in this day in age, I don’t think is all that particularly necessary or relevant.

This might explain why she loves to cater especially to women :lol: uh oh...now I feel like a stalker, I'd better stop! ;)

11   Allah   2005 Dec 2, 9:27am  

Remember she’s trying to encourage people to buy, so she’s not trying to indicate a weakening market. Basically just more realtor BS.

...but what makes her really dishonest is that she is masquerading as a columnist, not as a realtor. Notice how she doesn't mention anywhere on the page that she is a realtor. Doesn't leave a company name, email address or business phone number. Obviously she wants her pep talk to pass as an unbiased view like she has nothing to gain from it.

12   Allah   2005 Dec 2, 9:33am  

Looks like she was a technical recruiter for IT 10 years and her job got outsourced....now shes a realtor...wonder what she'll be next year. :)

13   Allah   2005 Dec 2, 9:37am  

Oh man, look at this website she has.....She was in IT, that explains why her name is all over the web.

14   Allah   2005 Dec 2, 10:16am  

Personally, I don’t understand the notion of marketing STRICTLY to selected demographics.

She didn't say she strictly sells to women, only that she enjoys getting women into houses. It looks to me like she does alot of marketing for gay clients maybe as a marketing strategy since there are alot of gays in her area and I would imagine they would trust a gay realtor over a heterosexual. She may not even be gay.....it could be just a front! All in all, she was in IT, lost her job and got into real estate just because of the boom.

15   Allah   2005 Dec 2, 10:27am  

Here is her reasoning to delay buying a house. She says nothing about prices going down......that is dishonest to me!

16   KurtS   2005 Dec 2, 10:43am  

"...maybe as a marketing strategy "

Purely for humor, mind you, but it's too bad she hasn't this business name:
http://tinyurl.com/xmdz

17   brightc   2005 Dec 2, 11:10am  

This might explain why she loves to cater especially to women uh oh…now I feel like a stalker, I’d better stop!

This is hilarious. I mean the irony, not the sexual orientiation.

I've been looking for the Basic Instinct version though, just out of curiousity (isn't it how it's all started?). So far, unsuccessfully.

18   brightc   2005 Dec 2, 11:12am  

technical recruiter for IT 10 years

Sounds more like a headhunter to me. She should've chopped it down to 5 to make it more believable.

19   brightc   2005 Dec 2, 11:14am  

KurtS, maybe you should send a copy of Ms. Males' website to the Tonight's Show.

20   Allah   2005 Dec 3, 12:41am  

I feel sorry for anyone who buys a $300,000 apartment - paper thin walls, bad construction, crappy stucco - just because the developer put out some nice stock-art brochures, showing happy smiling singles.

I don't.....money is dangerous in the hands of the stupid!

21   praetorian   2005 Dec 3, 4:48am  

From the MSN article:

And San Diego real estate prices now are growing only by single digits, rather than double digits, says economist Raphael Bostic, with the University of Southern California Lusk Center for Real Estate. That retreat reflects the fact that job growth wasn’t keeping up with real estate prices, so the prices were bound to drop some, Bostic says.

Call me crazy, but if someone cannot distinguish between x, dx and ddx when they are writing an article about x, I tend not to take their views very seriously.

I have had this conversation before with my wife: it is a hilarious human weakness (thankfully falling by the wayside) to ascribe expertise to the media. Whenever some jackass comes on the TV and starts talking about something you know about, you immediately either laugh or get annoyed at how utterly uninformed they are. But when the next jackass shuffles on and talks about something you don't know a lot about, suddenly you are prepared to accept that this jackass has a clue what he or she is talking about.

I say all of this, of course, as a complete jackass.

_shrug_

Cheerio,
prat

22   KurtS   2005 Dec 3, 6:01am  

Whenever some jackass comes on the TV and starts talking about something you know about, you immediately either laugh or get annoyed at how utterly uninformed they are.

Guess I'm a jackass too, or somehow an informed layman knows more than the informed "experts?" I think people naively trust media to serve "the truth," when most likely their own interests are #1.

More specifically, is it really any wonder the RE has been trumpeted by media in the last few years? I wouldn't be surprised by a large vested interest in the RE food chain, from builder's stocks to REITs. When the media changes their tune on RE, I suspect they've already made their money.

23   Jamie   2005 Dec 3, 7:18am  

"they could have a circle jerk on every balcony floor and have an atrium jizum smigma pond down below."

The next trend in home improvement! Soon HGTV will have a show featuring...well, maybe not.

24   KurtS   2005 Dec 3, 7:24am  

can count on the media at large to follow the trend, not set it

I'm probably being too suspicious for my own good. However, I remember the media cheerleading during the dot-com boom, when anyone with a moderate IQ should've been highly suspicious of the whole thing. Of course, they're just reflecting the "buzz" out there, but for those controlling information channels, I always suspect a money angle. Say, a network had some major investments in RE, and I ran the show. I'd have more than a little tempation for the news to sound bullish on RE. If I'm thinking that, I'm sure those who can are doing it.

25   Allah   2005 Dec 3, 10:37am  

Just gotta love it http://www.craigslist.org/eby/rfs/115296880.html

[snip]
Now is the time to buy while the rates are still low and the multiple offer situations have been reduced so that you may save some money and you will not get outbidden by investor type buyers. Ask me about a 7 day cruise for buyers at close! New Roof! New Dual Pane windows! New wall to wall carpet!

27   KurtS   2005 Dec 3, 10:53am  

multiple offer situations have been reduced so that you may save some money and you will not get outbidden by investor type buyers.

LOL...like there would ever be a bidding war on that dump!
That toilet picture is classy.

29   San Francisco RENTER   2005 Dec 3, 11:05am  

Regarding the "media bias" angle of this thread in regards to the MSN article posted earlier in the thread by Windog:

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Banking/Homebuyingguide/P85323.asp

I find the author's selective use of quotation marks to bias the article very irresponsible. For example (excerpts):

[snip]
But the drama that “bubble” theorists have looked for is missing.
[snip]
The inventory of homes on the market is about 45% greater than average, says Bill Wendel, a fee-based buyers’ agent in Boston whose Real Estate Cafe blog contains running articles and commentary on “the real-estate bubble.”
[snip]
Todd Sinai, associate professor of real estate at the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania, derides bubble theorists as “Chicken Littles.”
[snip]
The market hasn’t collapsed because it wasn’t really terribly inflated to begin with, says Bostic. “I’ve never been much of a ‘bubble’ person,” he says.
[snip]

The repeated placing of "bubble" and "bubble theory" in quotation marks. I don't like it. Anyone who's done any research on speculative bubbles knows there's a lot more going on than just "theory." Speculative bubbles themselves are case studies of historical occurrances--the Dutch tulip bulb craze, the British South Sea bubble, the American 1920's stock market bubble, Japan's real estate bubble during the '80's, and of course America's most recent tech stock bubble. These are just a handful of numerous historical examples that followed the same trend of boom, speculative excess, and bust. There is no "theory" to deride, nor is it responsible to quote as gospel the statement of some random jackass smugly stating "I've never been much of a "bubble" person" with no facts to back up his subjective statement. Finaly, to state that our current RE market "wasn’t really terribly inflated to begin with" has got to qualify as one of the most preposterous statements I've ever heard, period. I guess it's not surprising they didn't publish any of that guys supporting evidence or even his though process in coming to that conclusion.

30   San Francisco RENTER   2005 Dec 3, 11:08am  

Correction: "thought process" is what I was trying to type and the end of my previous post!

31   Allah   2005 Dec 3, 11:18am  

LOL…like there would ever be a bidding war on that dump!
That toilet picture is classy.

Actually, I've seen bidding wars on houses much uglier than that, but that was over a year ago.......I don't think you'll find a bidding war anywhere now regardless of what the property looks like.

32   KurtS   2005 Dec 3, 11:22am  

Actually, I’ve seen bidding wars on houses much uglier than that, but that was over a year ago

Some people are fools I guess. Well, I'm still seeing multiple bids, but I think they're a bit better than that ghetto box.

33   Allah   2005 Dec 3, 11:30am  

That toilet looks nice, though…. would fetch a nice price on eBay.

On ebay it would sell for more if it wasn't flushed the last time it was used! :lol:

35   Allah   2005 Dec 4, 12:00am  

Lenders crack down on mortgage fraud

[snip]
"Fraud for property" is the industry phrase used to describe usually honest folks who exaggerate their incomes or tell other white lies to obtain financing.

Now lenders and the authorities are turning their attention to borrowers encouraged to falsify their applications by loan officers who tell them "everybody does it."

Now they are going to do something about it?

36   Allah   2005 Dec 4, 1:48am  

Little jump? That is a 14.36% increase in a quarter. Who are they kidding? I am so sick of the spin about real estate.

Well lets see what they say when it goes up to 50%. Remember Alexis is the president of foreclosures.com and informing people that there are more foreclosures is to help her business..... If she was to say that the sky is falling, investors wouldn't be interested in foreclosures until the market completely corrects. She will always say in her articles that the sky isn't falling and that the market will not crash like the 90's.........and she is right...it won't, it will be much worse given the circumstances. I only read her articles for the data, not her opinion........use your own judgement because hers is obviouly biased.

37   praetorian   2005 Dec 4, 5:21am  

Justice is NEAR!!

Justice? I wouldn't bet on it. Between the likelihood of a federal govt. bailout and the near certainty of economic dislocation, there could be lots of people who deserve far worse than they get and lots of people who didn't participate in the madness who get stomped.

As always, a dark sense of humor will be a handy thing.

cheers,
prat

38   Allah   2005 Dec 4, 5:47am  

03/08/05 (Unofficial -- taken from secondary records)
Conditional Salesperson
License will be suspended if education requirement per section 10153.4 has not been met by 09/08/06.

Looks like he got his license before finishing his tests......I'm sure he doesn't have to worry though since he won't be needing his license by then. :lol:

39   Allah   2005 Dec 4, 8:38am  

Interesting how many news stories are out there that still believe you should continue to buy real estate and that there is no bubble.

Well you would publish such stories if you were a realtor and your job was at stake.......can ya really blame them?

40   Girgl   2005 Dec 4, 9:01am  

From a realtor's blub I found in the mail yesterday:
For sellers, do you really want to sell your home, or are you just testing the market? If you're just testing, please, take your home off the market.. If you absolutely, positively have to sell, and you haven't had any offers recently, lower your price.

I understand that supply is a realtor's enemy these days because it kills the buying frenzy, but WTF?

41   Allah   2005 Dec 4, 10:02am  

You mean this?

42   Allah   2005 Dec 4, 10:07am  

Sellers are desperate and paranoid......they are seeing their equity blow away like dust in the wind! No seller wants to accept the fact that house prices are falling, but yet they are very curious.......at the same time, many buyers don't want to touch this market with a 10 foot pole!

43   praetorian   2005 Dec 4, 10:13am  

How about this:

I sat and mocked
the peoples madness
predicted doom
predicted sadness

And now the piper
has piped at last
and housing gasped
its final gasp

but who is this
knocking on my door?
why uncle sam
and he wants more

A bit tough to do
I'm afraid to say
with the booms end
my job has gone away

_smile_

And a merry Christmas, one and all!

Cheers,
prat

44   praetorian   2005 Dec 4, 10:23am  

My generation is running a race they cannot win.

I totally agree. We are so f**ked.

On the upside, when the generational wars come, we will be young and spry and the boomers will be increasingly rickety. One wild card is, of course, bionic implant technology. (You, gentle reader, think it is coincidence that government research in this area is going gangbusters at precisely the moment that the boomers realize they will need the technology in the coming war?) The other wild card, which I think will have a *much* larger effect on the actual outcome of the war, is which side the mutant nazi monkeys end up allying with.

http://tinyurl.com/bg4k2

You dare defy the primate platoon?

I am now freaking out,
prat

45   Allah   2005 Dec 4, 11:57am  

oops!...missed a zero...how about this one

$369000 - >>>Reduced 355k for quick sale!

Approx 50% cut....unless the seller misprinted, but I doubt it

46   Allah   2005 Dec 4, 11:59am  

I highly doubt there are million dollar homes in bellport, so I'd say the other house price 2.45M is a misprint.

47   Allah   2005 Dec 4, 12:03pm  

:lol: Look what someone posted on craiglist.

48   Allah   2005 Dec 4, 12:14pm  

I guess that $369k house must have been reduced TO $355k....it was probably worded wrong.

49   Girgl   2005 Dec 4, 12:31pm  

Found this:
http://www.babwnews.com/article.php?id=471
in Pop!'s links.

It's Lydia again!

Quote:
Here is a simple example of how advantageous home ownership can be over the long term. Assume that “Jane” buys a home in Oakland for $400,000 (yes, it’s still possible in the East Bay) and she doesn’t put any money down. Over the next 13 years her mortgage payments reduce the outstanding balance by $100,000, leaving a mortgage balance of $300,000. But in 13 years her home has also appreciated in value to $600,000! If Jane had rented this home for 13 years she would have missed out on $300,000 in wealth. As a homeowner, Jane now has $300,000 available to her to invest in another property.

Sounds like a making a mortgage payment, property taxes and maintenance, altogether more than twice your current rent, is the surefire way to riches.

I hope no one sues her for bad investment advice if this does not go according to the plan... :-)

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