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Collecting from FDIC


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2007 Mar 26, 11:42pm   23,432 views  194 comments

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If enough mortgage debt doesn't get repaid, many banks may go under. I've been getting out of the stock market and into CD's, but now I'm starting to think there is risk there too. One of my CD's is from IndyMac, which has already taken a hit from the subprime mess.

IndyMac is FDIC insured, but how hard is it to collect from FDIC? Given that it's a government agency, I'm sure it's a real pain.

Then there is the more serious risk that FDIC itself won't be able to make payments if enough banks go under. But there's no need to be paranoid about that, right?

Patrick

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137   astrid   2007 Mar 28, 2:33am  

Bruce,

Thanks, so only the uninsured funds are affected, right?

138   Bruce   2007 Mar 28, 2:44am  

astrid:

Please note they describe the simplest possible case - a healthy bank.

But AFAIK it's only uninsured funds subject to these particular delays.

How was the sourdough?

139   skibum   2007 Mar 28, 2:50am  

Just as Randy predicted, we now have a noticeable peppering from goldbugs and a sense of paranoia creeping into this thread...

140   Bruce   2007 Mar 28, 2:57am  

Same article outlines strategies and pitfalls of expanding FDIC coverege for married couples. Loners are pretty much SOL:

http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070305/BUSINESS/703050572/-1/140154

I must look into tinyurl.

141   skibum   2007 Mar 28, 3:01am  

Buying T-Bills through a broker like Schwab or ETRADE or TD Ameritrade is the safest way to park your money, safer and more convenient than buying CDs.

I have a chunk in T-Bills as well, but I bought directly through the Treasury. It's actually pretty easy to set up an account and use it, and you can buy multiple product types, including bonds, bills, and TIPS.

142   DinOR   2007 Mar 28, 3:07am  

"directly through the Treasury"

As a matter of fact I believe it's called "Treasury Direct". :)

143   skibum   2007 Mar 28, 3:09am  

DinOR,

Yeah, yeah, always the comedian...

For those interested, www.treasurydirect.gov

144   DinOR   2007 Mar 28, 3:21am  

skibum,

Well...? It was one of those obvious ones.

I direct clients this way b/c it keeps ROA down especially when it's nothing they couldn't do for themselves. Particularly charitable accts. etc. What escapes a lot of people is that if you start investing early enough in life you really don't have to take much if any risk.

145   skibum   2007 Mar 28, 3:21am  

OT, but here's a transcript of Bendover Ben's testimony in Congress that has caused some of the market turmoil today.

http://money.cnn.com/2007/03/28/news/economy/bernanke_remarks/index.htm?postversion=2007032810

This is getting more and more interesting...

146   Peter P   2007 Mar 28, 3:29am  

Jon and astrid, Thanks for your suggestions.

I will download OpenOffice and keep Microsoft Office in mind. There is not much of a discount on eBay even for an old version of Office like 2003.

147   Peter P   2007 Mar 28, 3:32am  

I downloaded something called Star Office once, never installed it… :|

I think StarOffice is similar to OpenOffice. Thanks for mentioning anyway. :)

I need a strong word processor with good real-time spell checking because I am a horrible typist. (I use only 4 fingers to type.)

148   Peter P   2007 Mar 28, 3:34am  

Benover said that economic expansion would continue and the market reacted badly. Hmm....

149   skibum   2007 Mar 28, 4:06am  

Benover said that economic expansion would continue and the market reacted badly. Hmm….

He didn't *really* say that. IMO, he spouted all these reasons for a recent economic slowdown, particularly housing (yeah!), and despite all this bad news, the economy would continue to hum along. No one believed him, is what happened. Who can blame them?

150   Peter P   2007 Mar 28, 4:37am  

what’s your email address?

I just sent you an email.

151   Peter P   2007 Mar 28, 4:38am  

Office 2007 is great. The UI is so much better than what went before and what is out there.

I heard great things about it too. However, I do not have Vista. I think it should run on XP SP2 but I am not sure.

152   EBGuy   2007 Mar 28, 4:47am  

This seems like a somewhat on topic hijack. I am considering rolling a 401k from a former company into a WellsTrade IRA. They offer free trades to accounts with certain "combined" balances (checking, savings, CDs etc). Does anyone have any experience with WellsTrade. I currently have some accounts with Wells"There is no subprime problem here"Fargo. Is rolling over a 401k fairly easy to do?

153   sobs   2007 Mar 28, 4:59am  

More wheels come off and the sparks from the rims are starting to show.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601170&sid=alOjASNOLKcQ&refer=home

P.S. Regrettably, DinOR is completely wrong about index versus active funds. There is no evidence that active managers have any timing skills, nor is there any evidence that advisors have any timing skills either. Buy some low cost funds, appropriately diversified among asset classes, and sleep like a baby. If minor fluctuations bother you, then you need to be reminded that there is no such thing as a free lunch, expected returns come from taking some risks, and if you really cannot stand it, accept that you're going to get less buying CDs - spreading the money around if you've got more than $100k - or Treasuries.

154   DinOR   2007 Mar 28, 5:23am  

"appropriately diversified among asset classes"

"sleep like a baby"

"no such thing as a free lunch" (yawns)

Actively managed funds/portfolios don't HAVE to outperform year in and year out to establish their value to clients. Even one break out year can have a meaningful impact to your net worth over time.

Punchbowl, since no one here has shared that they will be inheriting huge gobbs of cash is your position that if we were born without money then we weren't meant to have any? Younger investors SHOULD be more aggressive! Why is that such a revelation to you?

The media has the tail wagging the dog by being solely focused on expenses. If you think starting, operating and managing a COMPLIANT fund is THAT cheap I certainly invite you to do so. Good luck telling the NASD there's no need for auditing or compliance b/c afterall you're just a feel good index fund. Let me know how that works out.

155   Peter P   2007 Mar 28, 5:27am  

My instinct tells me that a passive, buy-and-hope, index-investment strategy is not very good.

156   requiem   2007 Mar 28, 5:30am  

Peter P: You can try the similar route of buying a few good companies and ignore them for a few decades.

157   Peter P   2007 Mar 28, 5:31am  

In a zero-sum game, you have to go out and (legally) snatch money from other market participants in order for you to have any real growth. Index-investing is quite far from that. True, you will be compensated for puting your money at risk, but that is merely compensation, not profits.

158   Peter P   2007 Mar 28, 5:33am  

You can try the similar route of buying a few good companies and ignore them for a few decades.

That is not index-investment but a buy-and-hope strategy nonetheless.

159   DinOR   2007 Mar 28, 5:37am  

Peter P,

I'm not by any means totally dismissing the value (or strategy) of indexing. There aren't a lot of "stock pickers" working at insurance companies. They need quantifiable, predictable returns to manage risk. So they definitely have their place.

Most of our discussions here (where money mgmt. is concerned) revolve around "post popping cash parking". That aside the last time I heard this much debate about the merits of CD's and mmkts I was giving a fixed income presentation at an old folk's home!

We have chocolate chip cookies and (warm) orange juice at the back!

160   Peter P   2007 Mar 28, 5:40am  

They need quantifiable, predictable returns to manage risk. So they definitely have their place.

Do they invest in "disciplined" hedge funds with focused strategies (risk arb, long-short, etc.)? I think some HFs are very popular among university endowments.

161   astrid   2007 Mar 28, 5:49am  

Open Office has a decent spellcheck, it's quite different from Word so it takes some getting used to, especially with the autocomplete feature on.

162   Peter P   2007 Mar 28, 5:58am  

Is it wrong to believe that a healthy portfolio should include at least some short positions?

163   Peter P   2007 Mar 28, 5:59am  

astrid, are you a proponent of open source software? :)

164   DinOR   2007 Mar 28, 6:02am  

Peter P,

I've never had a lot of luck penetrating that market. I've gotten a few appointments but you're never really sure if they weren't just being polite. Typically endowments have layers of fiduciaries and it can be tough to get to an actual decision. If they DO have HF exposure I'd be willing to bet that it was former grads that put together a HF for that EXPRESS purpose.

In that case, Punchbowl would actually be right. Management for the sake of management.

165   requiem   2007 Mar 28, 6:03am  

Peter P: Of course not; pretty much all of my positions in the last month or so have been puts. I'll resume buying for the long haul once the current fun sorts itself out.

166   Peter P   2007 Mar 28, 6:04am  

Word 2007 seems to have contextual spell checking, which can be useful. But sometimes I can be too cheap to spend $200 for Word even though it worths every penny.

I tried WordPerfect last night and I hated it. I will try OpenOffice tonight and see how it goes. If I do not like it then Microsoft will get my business. :)

167   requiem   2007 Mar 28, 6:05am  

Err, make that all /new/ positions. My buy-and-hope shares are still around, though I did trim down some Chinese ADRs.

168   DinOR   2007 Mar 28, 6:11am  

Peter P,

Well, nothing is necessarily "wrong" and even firm believers in trad. fin. architecture say that 3 to 5% can be adjudicated toward "speculative" positions.

Does that include shorts? In a lot of cases just by charter (articles of incorporation) charitable inst. and IRA's shorting isn't usually possible. However "I" see absolutely nothing wrong or counter productive if you have the stomach for it. In a generally appreciating market shorting has more peril to it than basically any other form of trading.

Btw, for those that haven't been over to SDCIA (San Diego Creative Inv. Assoc.) ALL talk has turned away from flips and 1031's to shorting builders and lenders. Weird huh?

169   Peter P   2007 Mar 28, 6:16am  

In a generally appreciating market shorting has more peril to it than basically any other form of trading.

True. I remember reading Market-Neutral Investing : Long/Short Hedge Fund Strategies. Looks like Equity Hedge has been generating some pretty decent returns.

170   astrid   2007 Mar 28, 6:20am  

I know then from than, but something that properly checks for singular/plural and verb tenses would be very useful for me. I never quite gotten a hang of proper English grammar.

I prefer open source and web based applications. Faster updates and greater reliability, also sidesteps the stupid rights issue. I hate copyrights - I think they should get 15 or 17 years just like patents.

171   sfbubblebuyer   2007 Mar 28, 6:23am  

My short in CFC is the only thing that made money today. :D

172   Peter P   2007 Mar 28, 6:30am  

I never quite gotten a hang of proper English grammar.

Human languages have difficult grammatic rules.

I prefer open source and web based applications. Faster updates and greater reliability, also sidesteps the stupid rights issue. I hate copyrights - I think they should get 15 or 17 years just like patents.

I like to be able to work offline. Otherwise, I will be coming here too often.

I think many EULAs allow installation on a desktop AND a laptop, which is still quite generous. I am fine with the current copyright laws. However, many people do not understand that they are not buying the software; they are merely buying a license to use the software.

173   Peter P   2007 Mar 28, 6:31am  

I know then from than

I know loose from lose. :-P

174   sfbubblebuyer   2007 Mar 28, 7:01am  

I might be reading too much into this, but I suspect we'll see more stories like this as finances collapse around people's ears. :(

175   astrid   2007 Mar 28, 7:05am  

I'm obviously too educated and too old to ever breed.

176   Peter P   2007 Mar 28, 7:08am  

They worked menial jobs to pay a townhouse mortgage, took in a boarder and had a few run-ins with the law, including a shoplifting arrest over children's clothing.

Theft is a crime of moral turpitude. They could have been deported.

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