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If an engineer succeeds, something concrete is created.

Yeah, software is so concrete. :)

Astrid, of course you are right. No one said it was right or fair, in my opinion it represents a free market failure but that's life.

I also agree about the environmental impact of extended families sharing resources.

Software engineers used to make 80K per year, now they jump at 50K per year. A planner (my training) now exceeds a software engineer, and I know of very experienced engineers in other fields that are easily below the 60K mark.

Then again the biggest snots I have come across are technical people from Europe where their socialist systems cause them to be worshipped. They then come over here for a little bit more money to find themselves ridiculed for their atitude towards others and then find themselves treated like peaons. I guess the free market has some merit.

awaiting moderation?

Malcolm, the word "sociali$t" will automatically put you in moderation.

I guess the free market has some merit.

Only some?

Malcolm,

True. Though in back in 1970s and 80s China, they didn't make much more than experienced factory workers (the system reminds me of Detroit...I wonder why? :))

Good description, Jon.

1) They are at least as tech-savvy as Gen-x, probably more-so across the board. Some Gen-x are very tech savvy while others are entirely clueless, like their parents.

I was much more tech-savvy in high school than now. Perhaps Gen-Y will learn to hate technology as they age.

hymie,

Yeah, that "article" is ridiculous - no mention of the stupid FB as part of the problem. It's just another example of our victimhood society coming through.

New thread: What is considered subprime territory in the Bay Area?

My daughters are 19 and 22 so they're probably too young to be considered Gen-y? They're awfully tech savvy but are very selective about just exactly what technolgy they allow to intrude into their lives.

On Saturday "the Old Guys" came over to help "the kids" put up their fence. They had the local "classic rock" station on I suppose to please us but I listen to the Jazz Station (KMHD 89.1) almost exclusively on Saturday. "Rock Blocks" of three consecutive Leonard Skynard on Saturday morning is a little rough when your stomach is still a tad "queasy" from Friday night.

In spite of on again/off again weather and a set of Stevie Nicks and Fleetwood Mac (I didn't even like her in the 70's) we managed to get the fence up. It was great to see them tackle the project themselves and I had to remind myself that this was "their" house. (So keep your comments to yourself!) Looks great!

Huh? Maybe your employer should offer that as a fringe benefit.

I used to make "tea trays" in college, but we focused on rice krispy treats, french donut, chocolate dipped strawberries and such.

I would find it very hard to relax if I was paying $22 for the same thing

Not the same thing. The decor is much better and the service is good. It is not as cheap as Lucy's though.

I used to get dinner at Lucy's for under $8.

Maybe your employer should offer that as a fringe benefit.

Huh?

I love my employer because they offer all-you-can-drink sparkling water.

Ooh, jam!

Ooh, jam!

Peter P,
Have you had the Frog Hollow preserves? Tasty stuff.

I will try. Thanks!

- The Clinton administration deserves a fair amount of the blame for initiating loose lending standards in a misguided attempt to increase homeownership rates. (As I believed all along, it comes down to the misguided and poorly thought out liberal do-good mentality, yet again).

What about the Bush Administration, who did nothing about this for seven years and even trumpeted "The Ownership Society" in his 2004 campaign?

Both Administrations are to blame, it seems to me. And people who call the NYT "The Left Wing Media" are considered kooks by most of the country, not the other way around.

Selfish boomers are setting records for philanthropy. However, W Bush make me ashamed of that generation.

Gen Y-ers are not so lame. They are very "together", hard working and perform well under pressure. I am around a lot of them, as a returning student. I am impressed with what I see.

What the hell does left wing even mean in this day and age, when the "center" appears to be right in the middle of the Spanish Inquisition?

yes

“The “boomerang” kids that move back home in their 20’s are bad but anyone that moves back home in their 30’s is truly pathetic… ”

desperate times call for desperate measures... people living like Italians! :O cats living with dogs... etc...

Malcolm Says:

Then again the biggest snots I have come across are technical people from Europe where their socia1ist systems cause them to be worshipped. They then come over here for a little bit more money to find themselves ridiculed for their attitude towards others and then find themselves treated like peaons. I guess the free market has some merit.

Maybe they're just snotty cultures (no names). Maybe they also have a free market orientation back home, but more social protections than in the US. I thought there was a good deal of pretension and stratification in US society also... Remember places like France were highly stratified before the Rev'n, and old habits die hard...

No one said it was right or fair, in my opinion it represents a free market failure but that’s life.

Doesn't that fatalistic position negate the entire purpose of this site?

skibum Says:

Noble idea, horrible execution.

That's my point. Assuming it was even executes int hat fashion by the admin, which is still moot, depending on the spin factor of that particular journalist at that paper that day.

DS,
What you’re saying makes little sense. My read is that the Clinton admin. turned on the green lights for the mortgage industry to come up with “creative” ways of letting more people with less income “afford” homes.

It worried me a little when MDs set themselves up purely as 'technical professionals' working in a sociological void. There are connections between the social and the medical completely overlooked in medical training, meaning there is a narrow technical focus only, similar to engineers. The last person I would look to for advice or insight on govt policy or social reform is an engineer, for instance. It's just rebuttable on so many layers I don't know where to begin.

Can anyone give me a web address with the forum rules? I am trying to figure out why one of my posts that contains no foul language is being cut from the postings while a shorter posting contains an explitive that I bleeped is showing up.

I guess the free market has some merit.

Only some?

Light humor.

Diff Sean
No one said it was right or fair, in my opinion it represents a free market failure but that’s life.
Doesn’t that fatalistic position negate the entire purpose of this site?

This is not a feel good about life site. The scenario unfolding is actually pretty fatalistic. Some think the free market is the one stop answer to everything so I gently point it out with a little sarcasm when its imperfections surface.