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Jesus Peter, did you go up and down twice this weekend?

I stayed in Woodland Hills yesterday, I thought you were in Pasadena, didn't know you were in SF until you told me yesterday. I had a great drive back. We drove through Topanga Canyon, had a great lunch at the Chart House on the beach, with a nice walk on the beach there. The coast just south of Malibu is one of my favorite areas.

Did you come back down or are you still up in SF? I assume you flew; that is actually a pleasant flight.

Did you come back down or are you still up in SF? I assume you flew; that is actually a pleasant flight.

I live in Sunnyvale, which is about 50 miles south of SF.

HARM lives in or around Pasadena.

I drove down to SD only once. It was a very long drive.

Oh, I see. Wow I had that really wrong. I could have sworn you were in Pasadena. Now I know if and when I am up there. I've been up there twice.

I hope Peter P doesn't live in Pasadena. I'm trying to convince him to come work for us in SF. lmao.

Of course, once we hit our first product milestone, I'll probably be trying to convince HARM to bail on Pasadena and migrate north too.

Peter, and Harm are software writers? I've never really asked what everyone does for a living. Randy, I was reading your posts from awhile ago, you are in consulting?

I'm complicated. I was a KPMG consultant out of undergrad. After that I started a telecom consulting and software dev business in Chicago. Moved to Silicon Valley in the mid 90s, and started 2 other companies (one in digital media, one in IT services). Then did a dot-com as CTO that went up in a blaze of glory which leaves me with endless stories on sushi/sake nights for the uninitiate. Hint: our CEO was the guy who invented those things wrapped around every paper cup of coffee you buy at $tarbuck$. Then went back to my old telecom biz and took over as CTO, created some products, and sold all that off to SBC. Went back to B-School to figure out why I got screwed on the deal, got into the VC community doing financial and technology due-diligence consulting. Now I'm back in operations running a new startup for a capital group. I still do telecom strategy consulting and occasional tech due diligence projects for hedge funds and buyout funds who seem to always be itching to buy into shit that don't work.

Your turn :)

Are you kidding me? We had the head of prod dev from WD40 speak to our grad class. He held up the cardboard cup wrap as an example of a ridiculous patent. I knew we had a common point of reference when we were talking about worthless patents. The breaking point for me was seeing a patent number on the little paper ring that holds a knife fork placesetting together with a napkin.

That is a very impressive background. Sounds like you have worn many hats. Tech guys like you with a business understanding are worth your weight in gold. I wish I had some real tech background, my toolbox is light in that area.

My undergrad was operation mgmt, (production and operations), I did a lot of accounting work strong AR going through school. I always found myself in car parts, and running dismantling operations was a fun industry. After my business degree in 1998 my mentor gave me the chance to launch a pest control company. That is still up and running and very successful. I then did some TQM work for about a year at an office furniture manufacturer in the Miramar area. I left that when I moved to N county where for 3 years I worked for a startup in Carlsbad named Metallic Power as their planner/buyer. That company was a startup developing zinc air fuel cells. I left them in 2003 and then decided to get the MBA which I started in 2004, and finished in May 2006. I was also doing the real estate thing on the side from 1995 to 2005 when I sold everything. My last job was a disappointment as Snr Planner for Asymtek (robotic dispensing) in Carlsbad. I only did that for 6 months and left last December. Now I'm rethinking everything.

I've got a little solar company that I launched as my MBA project but that is neither here nor there. I haven't managed to make that profitable, but I am still in touch with the program at SDSU so I am looking at new technologies for licensing and commercialization. But I'm a operations guy, not technical. I have no core competency, just an interest in renewable fuels as you've probably figured out.

Good night everyone, it's late.

Linkin to me if you want. Click my name, find my full name, and do a linkedin search.

Getting an MBA was very smart, IMO. Anderson or somewhere else? I'm biased, but in your case it will serve you very well. You've got a lot of management building years ahead of you yet.

Is your corporate acct. work GAAP or cost? There is a severe shortage of qualified GAAP accountants right now with credible management experience. My wife is an exec at a very large corp. in compliance, and she's importing talent from all over for lack of people.

In fairness to my old CEO, he didn't have the real-bullshit patent. His was on the thermal glue. lol.

WealthyWoman said:
A goldilocks economy as many pundits say, where inflation is non-existant, we hum along at 2-3% GDP growth, rates stay low, and the stock market stays steady.

I'm beginning to doubt whether you're genuine.

Ha Ha said:
Does anybody here appreciates that sustained low interest rate makes united states a country of incompetent people?

It lowers the hurdle rate for everyone, so I guess you may have a point :)

Ha Ha said:
Does anybody here appreciates that sustained low interest rate makes united states a country of incompetent people?

This low interest rate phenomenon is a global experience. Do you know what the rate is in Japan ?

Malcolm said:
Peter, and Harm are software writers? I’ve never really asked what everyone does for a living.

Former Geophysicist and Software engineer for a couple of Big oil Companies back in the 90's.
Came to Silicon Valley in the last .com boom to work as software developer.
Started a consulting firm specializing in developing online data mining applications and content security. I'm still here and my clients keep me happy :)

Peter, and Harm are software writers? I’ve never really asked what everyone does for a living.

I do tech stuff as well.

Unfortunately, I'm not getting paid as well as this dude:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/05/11/MNGRIPPB2N1.DTL&hw=google&sn=001&sc=1000

James Currier, a former venture capitalist and serial entrepreneur who sold the social networking site Tickle to job site Monster.com, said that a company on whose board he serves recently lost a prospective employee to Google. The worker, whom he described as a genius, turned down an offer of $120,000, plus stock options, in favor of a $375,000 salary from Google.

No wonder I can't afford a house in Fortress Mountain View. I don't even clear close to a HaHa - let alone $375,000.

I'm in my 20's or 30's. (Vague huh?)

What am I supposed to do in my 40's and 50's. It appears that age discrimination is pretty rampant in the Valley.

Is it move into management or be a greeter at Walmart?

(My current career plan still calls for finding a cult at 42. I hope that'll take me through to retirement.)

Finance Directors with public experience that are decent managers will be able to find work without much trouble for years to come. My wife regularly hires people in their 30s and 40s. Not sure about 50s, I'll ask her. She won't hire anyone into management in their 20s, regardless how often the Financial Times boomer columnists keep insisting that Gen X are a lost generation of managers and our only hope for salving the future is to fast track the boomer's kids into management.

There are *very few* people at Google earning a $375K base. Go search their jobs and interview for one (if if just for the experience of interviewing) if you want to know how much they really pay. They're known to pay at the low end of the market.

skibum said to 'wealthy woman':
Your screen name is the blog equivalent of desperate bling-wearing: couture clothing with all the labels on the outside

When I was in Hongkong a few months ago, I saw jackets that had at least six designer labels (or lookalikes) printed all over them - all on the same jacket.

To the credit of HK'ers, I never saw anyone actually wearing them, so I assume these were for the tourist crowd.

SP

Wealthy Woman said:
Would I be as generous if he was a trouble maker in HS, went to a not so good university, and came out making $30-40K/yr at any random job? Most definitely not.

Would you be as generous if he was a realtwhore?

SP

Eburded, I'll narrow your age to 30s since you are already thinking about 40s. I'm 35, and already accept 40 easier than I accepted 30. I'm enjoying life more and more so it doesn't bother me.

For operations I have an understanding of cost accounting. MLO. For general accounting work in companies we of course were on accrual basis, for real estate when I was doing the books for my mentor (10 years who just died last April :( he was cash basis. Just to be clear, I'm not a CPA, I just did everything internally for the small businesses I worked in. I am a CPIM through APICS. Invenotry and planning were my professional strengths.

Amsterdam Says:
May 14th, 2007 at 5:41 am
"I’m a dutch citizen and a student in university. I was wondering how Americans value a bba, mba and msc in finance or business administration? Here in Holland most value is given to msc.
You also wrote about analyst programs for investment bankers. In general what kind of degree do yo need to enter such a program?"

I just had one small input for this question since it is kind of funny. First, IMO and from others a bachelors degree is the new high school diploma. It is no longer the order winner, it is the qualifier just to talk to someone. Engineers at my old job made fun of our HR girl because her degree was a BBA from National University which is a private open business school. At a formal state school you get either a BA or BS denoting arts or science. My MBA is actually an MSBA because I had the BS in business already so it empahsizes greater business focus.

Randy, I've observed that as well. For boomers to insist that 20 year olds are taking their executive jobs has always made me laugh. People still look at me as being young (though they always admit, ahead of the pack), especially boomers who think an executive title is their birthright for the accomplishment of a long career doing........selling advertising or being a travel or real estate agent. They just can't get a clue that business is always tearing itself apart and reshaping, and that there is no longer (if there ever was) some straight line pay spectrum that is solely related to age. They just don't get it.

Randy H Says:
May 13th, 2007 at 11:58 pm
"Linkin to me if you want. Click my name, find my full name, and do a linkedin search."

Just looked at it again, not sure why you don't talk about your business degrees more as I think they are impressive. They are common now as others have said but that does not diminish the level of expertise one gets when they earn one or in your case....

"Getting an MBA was very smart, IMO. Anderson or somewhere else? I’m biased, but in your case it will serve you very well. You’ve got a lot of management building years ahead of you yet. "

Most tech guys seem to be very picky about where degrees come from. I'm not really sure why but then again I commoditize everything in my point of view. I am more than satisfied with San Diego State. It consistently ranks top 25 in the country. Our cases were directly from the Harvard archives, and my advisor who runs the program tries to emulate the finer programs. For example, the finer schools have interactions with VCs so he put that all together and even has his classes sit in on VC funding meetings by Domain Associates. They are big time, and have funded many startups most everyone here would know about. The guest speakers were what impressed me the most. The tuition seemed like chump change because I had such a good time.
I got the most I could out of it(remember in my case it was a self improvement goal not just a resume filler) so I volunteered for everything from business plan competitions to luncheons where I sat at business lunches and met interesting people. You can have a lot of fun as I did, one luncheon I actually sat with Steve Francis who ran for mayor in San Diego.

My business plan is used as a case study for the extended campus in Taiwan where I present it and do Q and A with the students over Skype. Skype allowed my advisor (who flew back and forth) to have one of his American students (I was the first one) video conference to their class. It was so successful that he has expanded it and takes his favorite cases and does it each semester. I even attended and spoke at the last Taiwanese class's graduation when they flew over here to receive their degrees.

Too much about me, geez. I do type quickly so when I get going I lose track of time, and then look up and see that I have literally published my memoir without realizing it. Sorry for the level of detail.

"She won’t hire anyone into management in their 20s, regardless how often the Financial Times boomer columnists keep insisting that Gen X are a lost generation of managers and our only hope for salving the future is to fast track the boomer’s kids into management."

Yeesh. Maybe I should be glad that I'm a very very late Gen-Xer.

Overall, I think the Gen-Xers still have it relatively easy compared to the kids right after them. I doubt I could get into my alma mater today and full tuition&fees+room&board was around $30K/yr (and about half was covered by need based grant in my case) instead of $40K+.

If I was three or four years older, I might have even been able to participate in the real estate run up or play the dot.com lottery.

I graduated college with $10K in loans. Compared to kids in college or high school today, I count myself very lucky.

If I was three or four years older, I might have even been able to participate in the real estate run up or play the dot.com lottery.

I was slightly late to the dot.com game but I *could have* participated in the real estate run up around 2001-2002.

Nevertheless, I blame no one. It is still too early to tell if having bought 5 years ago would have been a better thing for me.

Malcolm

The detail is welcomed. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one "out there". It sounds as if you maximized your MBA experience which is the most important thing. I knew a lot of Columbia MBAs in the NYC EMBA program who were just there to tick the box in the IB career journey. I'm sure that works well for them in the short run, but after they burn out on the Street they'd better hope their rolodex carries them into the corp world because I wouldn't touch one of those guys/gals with a 10 meter pole.

Peter, and Harm are software writers? I’ve never really asked what everyone does for a living. Randy, I was reading your posts from awhile ago, you are in consulting?

I would prefer not to publish my complete memoirs to the world, but I've been mostly on the admin side of IT for the last 10 years, despite my liberal arts education. I have never been a "real" coder. What I do now involves some light coding (Vb script, etc.), but mostly MSI building and technical writing.

Me, I've got a BS in Comp Sci and a Masters in Biophysics, and work as a software engineer, and will hopefully transition into biotech in the next few years. (Early 30's)

Of course, once we hit our first product milestone, I’ll probably be trying to convince HARM to bail on Pasadena and migrate north too.

Be careful with the bait you dangle --I might just bite. ;-)

I’ve been an entrepreneur for the past 13 years. You’re never really your own boss. You just get to keep most of the money. My bosses have been my clients, my customers and my investors. Not trying to be sanctimonious, but there’s a difference between a lifestyle company, self-employed/sole proprietor and an investment backed entrepreneur. I have a board to answer to.

100% agree. I've never started a business from scratch (though would like to someday, if I can find the right niche). However, I have a good friend from college that went the MBA route and started a coffee chain in, of all places, Poland in the 1990s, mostly with investor capital. The place took off like gangbusters and is basically Poland's "Starbucks" now. Unfortunately, my friend did not legally protect his interests as well as he should have and sold off too much of his ownership stake to keep the enterprise alive during its early, lean years. As a result, he was forced out 2 years ago and is now enbroiled in a bitter legal battle with the current scumbag/backstabbing managers. All Boomers (of course). Funny, how no matter where you go in the world, Boomers all act the same. I do not think his prospects are very good, despite a solid legal basis for his claim, as he is basically a foreigner fighting powerful and corrupt interests in a Polish court.

Starting your own business can be a wonderfully liberating thing, but it generally takes years of very long hours and high stress. It is also as likely to bankrupt you as make you rich. I admire anyone who takes that risk and tries to the best of his ability, regardless of ultimate outcome.

RE: my personal bio, I didn't think anyone would care about the details of my training background, as it's not tech, business, or RE related. Went to med school at a small west coast school, went east to Boston to train at a Harvard teaching hospital (7 long, cold years...), stayed on faculty there briefly, came back to aforementioned small west coast school to work.

came back to aforementioned small west coast school to work

Small as a Junior?