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Implications of Massachusetts senate result


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2010 Jan 20, 2:37am   5,340 views  24 comments

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Dear learned posters - what do you think are the implications of Dems losing Massachusetts? Eager to hear your analysis. Especially w.r.t. bail-outs, employment generation, housing, etc. I think Obama will extend the $8k tax holiday. Probably tell banks that they have had the last of the bail-out money and its time to show results. Banks would in turn tighten the screw on me and not give me any home loan unless it is 20% and have a job (may be not). Am I dreaming?

#housing

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1   inflection point   2010 Jan 20, 11:52am  

Expect grid lock in the senate. Hopefully they will just sit and spin and stay out of our pockets.

Do not expect the Republicans to become model representatives.

2   Serpentor   2010 Jan 20, 3:10pm  

If the banks would tighten the screws and not loan any money out to someone not responsible enough to save 20% or keep a steady job, we wouldn't be bitching about bailouts in the first place.

4   Done!   2010 Jan 21, 12:01am  

"The U.S. Supreme Court has eased long-standing restrictions on "independent spending" by corporations and unions in political campaigns"

How convenient... psst You mean the same Union guys that the Dems made a super secret exception deal over Cadillac tax concessions?

Yep, hmm humm the same!

If the Libs didn't insult my Goddamn intelligence daily, they might stand a snowballs chance in hell, in being important for the next 20 or 30 years.

This batch of Elite misfits are going to turn the super majority off to the Democratic party for years and years and years to come. If the Democrats can recognize that, and tell their leaders, "Yo! Slow your toll." then they deserve to be marginalized for the next three decades, they are setting them selves up for.

I don't think this reverse ruling will "BUY" them enough votes, to out voice a 75/25 majority.

5   tatupu70   2010 Jan 21, 12:07am  

TOT

Are you kidding. This ruling is a Republican's wet dream. Did you see how the Justices voted? Right down party lines--as usual.

You don't think Big Business can outspend labor unions? Come on...

6   Done!   2010 Jan 21, 12:28am  

tatupu70 says

TOT
Are you kidding. This ruling is a Republican’s wet dream. Did you see how the Justices voted? Right down party lines–as usual.
You don’t think Big Business can outspend labor unions? Come on…

Right down the party lines and it won?

How did that "Wise Latina Woman" work out for ya?

For a brief moment, the Liberal elite had Americas ear, as the smartest man in the room.
The Libs laid down fairy tales as undisputed facts.

This is the rest of America now saying... "NEXT!!!!!"

7   RayAmerica   2010 Jan 21, 12:53am  

Massachusetts was a referendum on Obama and his non-transparent big government socialism. Democrats outnumbered GOPers by 3 - 1 and crossed party lines to vote AGAINST Coakley and Obama. And this happened in the ultra leftist "People's Republic of Massachusetts." Everywhere and nearly everyone is totally fed up with their government. Obama fooled people into thinking there would be hope & change. He has proven he is a business as usual politician and worse; he’s Bush on steroids. Americans do not like being fooled and are in a very bad mood as a result. If the government continues to enact policies that hurt average Americans, what happened in Mass. will be considered very tame. Things could get very, very ugly.

8   Vicente   2010 Jan 21, 1:47am  

You are all dreaming there is some larger meaning in this. There isn't.

If Kennedy hadn't passed away we'd be finding some other set of tea leaves to read. Say he'd just decided to retire at the end of his term and there'd been a normal election in a few years, what then? The result might have been the very same. Maybe for some people it'd just be natural to see some CHANGE instead of permanent incumbency for a party if not a person. The real test will be if Brown can hold onto that seat during next election cycle. We shall see.

9   Bap33   2010 Jan 21, 1:57am  

Changing the HUD / FHA lending regulations show the lack on reason libs have, as well as the direct influence REmafia has on politicos.

Brown won - commies are done. NEXT!

10   tatupu70   2010 Jan 21, 2:20am  

Tenouncetrout says

Right down the party lines and it won?

Yes, there are 5 "republican" justices and 4 "democratic" ones.

11   Done!   2010 Jan 21, 2:32am  

Hmm I wonder if Obama had have appointed someone based on their abilities and merit, if He/She could have or would have been able debate some sense into at least one of those Conservative justices. Instead of appointing some agenda token, those five would rather ignore while getting teeth scraped by a dry wall rasper, than to listen to a single word Mayor has to say, if it would have turned out differently?

"Once again the Democrats has glued their Balls to their socks."

12   tatupu70   2010 Jan 21, 2:45am  

Tenouncetrout says

Hmm I wonder if Obama had have appointed someone based on their abilities and merit, if He/She could have or would have been able debate some sense into at least one of those Conservative justices

I doubt it would have made a difference if he had appointed Solomon. The Supreme Court has become (actually it probably always has been) 100% political. It's unfortunate, but true.

13   stillrentinginLA   2010 Jan 21, 2:46am  

MODERATOR?? CAN WE TAKE THIS OUT OF HOUSING FORUM PLEASE?

14   Done!   2010 Jan 21, 2:55am  

Yeah Mods can we please suppress this thread SRILA is getting upset, things aren't going his way.

Threads like this makes him feel marginalized, like telling someone they are on the wrong side of history over their beliefs of who they vote for. Or telling someone they are wasting their vote, if they don't vote for the popular media product.

15   stillrentinginLA   2010 Jan 21, 3:03am  

No, I'd just like to stay on topic.
But you turn every thread into a rant about "libs" or "dems" because you don't actually have anything of substance to add to the conversation.

16   Done!   2010 Jan 21, 3:27am  

I know and I was such a quiet Independent too, with my own opinions I expressed about the system as a whole. It was the Dems that dragged me down to their level, and now they don't like the stink. Never kick a terd on a hot day. There's more important things in life than stepping on everyone's feelings to get an agenda of "ANYONE IS BETTER THAN.. well except for the independent that will still our votes".

I bet the next time the Left has a candidate they really want in office, they wont shit on everyone else's Political beliefs at all costs. You're just discovering that price aint worth the admission when you have pissed off Independents that make the Right seem like Richie Cunningham.

17   stillrentinginLA   2010 Jan 21, 3:32am  

Waaahhh Waahhh Waaahh. No one has any idea WTF you are talking about. Maybe you feel victimized because you are too stupid to know when someone is taking advantage of you.
You can cry all you want about being a victim, just do it in a forum other than "housing crash" so those of us that want to discuss housing don't have to try and interpret your nonsensical rants.

18   Done!   2010 Jan 21, 3:38am  

Well why didn't you just say you wanted to play too?

19   HousingWatcher   2010 Jan 21, 4:02am  

"Expect grid lock in the senate."

You mean there isn't gridlock right now with Joe Lieberman (D-Aetna) having more power than all the other 99 senators combined?

20   RayAmerica   2010 Jan 21, 5:08am  

Maybe we're all missing the real message. According to Howard Dean, this was a protest vote against BUSH ! How could I have missed it?

21   grywlfbg   2010 Jan 21, 5:51am  

Serpentor +1

22   knewbetter   2010 Jan 21, 5:53am  

This was a vote on health care. It was a special election which favors the elderly and not the youngsters. All elderly people are scared to death with any change in health care that doesn't start with "MORE FOR ME FOR FREE". My parents are classic examples: They both bitch about big government, but think the prescription drug benefit was a great idea, and soooo needed. The were scared, so they voted against it. Kids don't care so they didn't, but they'd get out of bed to vote for a cool prez.

I don't think the buying of votes in the senate helped either.

23   Bap33   2010 Jan 21, 7:08am  

grywlfbg says

Serpentor +1

+1

24   AltonS   2010 Jan 21, 7:31am  

tatupu70 says

TOT
Are you kidding. This ruling is a Republican’s wet dream. Did you see how the Justices voted? Right down party lines–as usual.
You don’t think Big Business can outspend labor unions? Come on…

Uh, yes the unions can spend equal or more than business. Take a look at money spent on the Tax Measures 66/67 vote here in Oregon that happens next week. I'll give you a hint, its not big or small businesses but union groups like Oregon Education Association, AFSCME and SEIU, the national parts of those last 2 tossing in a big chunk of change. Last I saw, the OEA had spent more than 1 million, same with SEIU.

Some links for ya:

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Oregon_Tax_Hike_Vote,_Ballot_Measures_66_and_67_%282010%29

http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2010/01/public-employee_unions_flex_mu.html

and here is a link to the OR Sec. State's contributor search engine:
http://tinyurl.com/yjh3oq4 (long original url)

Off the cuff, I don't see how this rulling changes much, given how much spending has been done by corporations, unions, and interest groups etc. in the last 10+ years.

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