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2010 Jun 16, 9:55am   5,042 views  16 comments

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Wife and I are shopping around for a home with horse property in the Norco, CA area. We currently rent, but the landlord has admitted she hasn't paid the mortgage since April of 2009, so you know where that's going.

Our question - realtors are listing these homes in areas of SoCal (Inland Empire and surrounding areas) at still-ridiculous prices, and oddly enough, people are still buying them, thereby propping up the asinine market values and making it unfeasible for us to even try to buy (2800 sq. ft., 1/2-3/4-acre distressed homes for $425,000-$460,000 on average). So what idiots are falling for the realtor BS and buying these things, and what banks are approving the loans? Many of these homes need $25K+ in repairs, and unless you have the cash lying around AFTER your 20% down (what we would put down), those repairs are going to have to wait awhile, since home equity won't be something even available to anyone.

I suppose we're just mystified as to the types of people that are still being roped in to house prices that are borderline bubble-year prices, propping up the markets. Hopefully this trend was simply due to the tax credit, and in the coming months we'll see the prices sink to where they should be - sub $225K levels.

Thoughts?

#housing

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1   Â¥   2010 Jun 16, 10:52am  

Actually Norco is kinda interesting; my sister lived about a mile south in Corona last decade so I got to ride my bike around it in the summer of 2004 (seems like yesterday, le sigh).

Here's an example property @ $425,000:

http://www.redfin.com/CA/Norco/180-Wild-Horse-Ln-92860/home/6488029

See that path in front of the house? It's a HORSE TRAIL.

.75 acres is 4 or 5 decent-sized lots and Corona has grown into Norco now so it's almost urban with tons of shopping. Not many places you can ride your horse to a ChickFilA.

This house sold for $600 & $900K last decade. My sisters' old place (decent but half the size and 1/4th the acreage) can sell for around $250K, so I don't see a big problem with $425K. Bargain if anything at 4% rates.

2   seaside   2010 Jun 16, 12:07pm  

Thedude73, what was the price back in peak years for said home? Any redfin link for us?

3   Misstrial   2010 Jun 16, 12:39pm  

Remember to check out the Dept of Education's API (Academic Performance Index) for the locale you are considering.

http://api.cde.ca.gov/AcntRpt2010/2009Base_Co.aspx?cYear=&cSelect=33,RIVERSIDE

Note:

In unofficial parlance, the 700's = D/C, 800's = C/B, 900's = B and A level students

The API used to give a better view of troubled areas for potential homeowners to avoid, however since 2002/3, the test has been messed with thereby giving academically troubled areas better scores than they really should have. Called "teaching to the test" or something....

If it were me, I'd check out the local schools in person. Last time I was in Norco, nearly all of the public schools seemed inner city to me and not places I would send my children.

~Misstrial

4   Â¥   2010 Jun 16, 1:55pm  

Home Schoolin' be OK tho.

edit: with HORSES!

5   TheDude73   2010 Jun 16, 2:18pm  

seaside says

Thedude73, what was the price back in peak years for said home? Any redfin link for us?

I'll have to look that up tomorrow. However, the realtor said that this house was in the $640K range when new ~5 years ago. It has a small pool and horse areas, but the barns, paddocks, and even the pool pumps and equipment were stripped. No appliances, and the pool and hot tub were infested with huge tadpoles preparing to become frogs!

I'm sorry, but $425K, even for a house in a "novelty" town like Norco, is still ridiculous when just down the road one can buy the same type of house in the low $200s. Maybe not with a horse trail in their front yard, but some are nearby.

6   TheDude73   2010 Jun 16, 2:20pm  

Misstrial says

Remember to check out the Dept of Education’s API (Academic Performance Index) for the locale you are considering.
http://api.cde.ca.gov/AcntRpt2010/2009Base_Co.aspx?cYear=&cSelect=33,RIVERSIDE
Note:
In unofficial parlance, the 700’s = D/C, 800’s = C/B, 900’s = B and A level students
The API used to give a better view of troubled areas for potential homeowners to avoid, however since 2002/3, the test has been messed with thereby giving academically troubled areas better scores than they really should have. Called “teaching to the test” or something….
If it were me, I’d check out the local schools in person. Last time I was in Norco, nearly all of the public schools seemed inner city to me and not places I would send my children.
~Misstrial

No kids yet, and most likely will only have one, so this isn't something we're concerned about. It's mostly the idea of being around horse people and also close to work.

7   Plays2win   2010 Jun 16, 3:16pm  

I was looking at prices in Victorville which is in the Inland Empire and I can find some 2800 sq. ft. homes at $125K and up.

8   TheDude73   2010 Jun 17, 3:31am  

jrankin says

I was looking at prices in Victorville which is in the Inland Empire and I can find some 2800 sq. ft. homes at $125K and up.

Victorville is not quite the "Inland Empire", it's more like halfway to Vegas, well past San Bernardino on I-15 and about 54 miles east/northeast of Norco. San Bernardino is pretty much the end of the "Inland Empire".

I'd love for a house in Norco to be $125K, but I'd settle for $250 or less, not $425-$475K! My question is, who's buying these homes, because you can look on Zillow and Redfin and find that someone is buying them at these prices.

9   Tude   2010 Jun 17, 3:46am  

You simply CANNOT compare horse property in CA near any sort of town to a regular house. There's almost no horse property left anywhere, let alone near town and any sort of job centers.

Who is buying these homes? HORSE PEOPLE who are paying many hundreds of dollars a month to board a single horse.

Why do YOU want horse property?

10   Tude   2010 Jun 17, 3:49am  

TheDude73 says

Misstrial says

Remember to check out the Dept of Education’s API (Academic Performance Index) for the locale you are considering.

http://api.cde.ca.gov/AcntRpt2010/2009Base_Co.aspx?cYear=&cSelect=33,RIVERSIDE

Note:

In unofficial parlance, the 700’s = D/C, 800’s = C/B, 900’s = B and A level students

The API used to give a better view of troubled areas for potential homeowners to avoid, however since 2002/3, the test has been messed with thereby giving academically troubled areas better scores than they really should have. Called “teaching to the test” or something….

If it were me, I’d check out the local schools in person. Last time I was in Norco, nearly all of the public schools seemed inner city to me and not places I would send my children.

~Misstrial

No kids yet, and most likely will only have one, so this isn’t something we’re concerned about. It’s mostly the idea of being around horse people and also close to work.

So you just want to "be around horse people" or do you actually have horses. Because if you do not have horses PLEASE do not buy horse property, you ruin what is left for people like myself who are horse people and want some areas to remain zoned for horses. All the people who bought in Orange Park Acres to "be around horses" and have big lots (but don't actually own horses) have totally ruined the community.

If you do own horses, then you know damn well why the property has such a larger price tag, you could be saving thousands on horse board.

11   Â¥   2010 Jun 17, 3:51am  

You're not going to be able to get $250K when that's the going price for houses on the other side of I-15 with half the interior space and one-fifth the acreage.

A 15 year loan on $250,000 has a cost-of-money of $833/mo and a house at that price has a total cost of ownership of around $1200/mo.

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1132-Bayfield-Dr-Corona-CA-92880/17782416_zpid/

$1300/mo for the above house was a f----ing steal.

12   TheDude73   2010 Jun 17, 3:59am  

Tude says

TheDude73 says

Misstrial says

Remember to check out the Dept of Education’s API (Academic Performance Index) for the locale you are considering.
http://api.cde.ca.gov/AcntRpt2010/2009Base_Co.aspx?cYear=&cSelect=33,RIVERSIDE
Note:
In unofficial parlance, the 700’s = D/C, 800’s = C/B, 900’s = B and A level students
The API used to give a better view of troubled areas for potential homeowners to avoid, however since 2002/3, the test has been messed with thereby giving academically troubled areas better scores than they really should have. Called “teaching to the test” or something….
If it were me, I’d check out the local schools in person. Last time I was in Norco, nearly all of the public schools seemed inner city to me and not places I would send my children.
~Misstrial

No kids yet, and most likely will only have one, so this isn’t something we’re concerned about. It’s mostly the idea of being around horse people and also close to work.

So you just want to “be around horse people” or do you actually have horses. Because if you do not have horses PLEASE do not buy horse property, you ruin what is left for people like myself who are horse people and want some areas to remain zoned for horses. All the people who bought in Orange Park Acres to “be around horses” and have big lots (but don’t actually own horses) have totally ruined the community.
If you do own horses, then you know damn well why the property has such a larger price tag, you could be saving thousands on horse board.

Thanks for ASSuming.

We have 4 horses. Have had them for years. We rent a 1.5 acre place in Lake Elsinore.

What is this place, the home for jackasses??

13   Tude   2010 Jun 17, 5:27am  

TheDude73 says

Tude says

TheDude73 says

Misstrial says

Remember to check out the Dept of Education’s API (Academic Performance Index) for the locale you are considering.

http://api.cde.ca.gov/AcntRpt2010/2009Base_Co.aspx?cYear=&cSelect=33,RIVERSIDE

Note:

In unofficial parlance, the 700’s = D/C, 800’s = C/B, 900’s = B and A level students

The API used to give a better view of troubled areas for potential homeowners to avoid, however since 2002/3, the test has been messed with thereby giving academically troubled areas better scores than they really should have. Called “teaching to the test” or something….

If it were me, I’d check out the local schools in person. Last time I was in Norco, nearly all of the public schools seemed inner city to me and not places I would send my children.

~Misstrial

No kids yet, and most likely will only have one, so this isn’t something we’re concerned about. It’s mostly the idea of being around horse people and also close to work.

So you just want to “be around horse people” or do you actually have horses. Because if you do not have horses PLEASE do not buy horse property, you ruin what is left for people like myself who are horse people and want some areas to remain zoned for horses. All the people who bought in Orange Park Acres to “be around horses” and have big lots (but don’t actually own horses) have totally ruined the community.

If you do own horses, then you know damn well why the property has such a larger price tag, you could be saving thousands on horse board.

Thanks for ASSuming.
We have 4 horses. Have had them for years. We rent a 1.5 acre place in Lake Elsinore.
What is this place, the home for jackasses??

F you for calling me a jackass for NOT assuming anything. I asked you, it was a simple question. You said nothing about actually owning horses.

Personally, if you have 4 horses, then you are the jackass coming here asking a retarded question and whining about horse property being more expensive than a non-horse zoned area.

14   Tude   2010 Jun 17, 5:28am  

And btw, you are also the idiot owning 4 horses and unable to afford a 400k house.

15   TheDude73   2010 Jun 17, 5:50am  

Tude says

And btw, you are also the idiot owning 4 horses and unable to afford a 400k house.

Tude says

And btw, you are also the idiot owning 4 horses and unable to afford a 400k house.

Right pal. We can afford a $600K house with the 3X income consideration, it's just that we don't want to max out what we can afford. You see, jackass, I have some sense so as to not blow my entire income on a house, especially a piddly 0.50 acre, 2800 sq. ft. repo missing half of the goodies.

Now I see what "Tude" means...short for "bad attitude". If you live in Norco and represent the types of people there, then perhaps we should reconsider.

Homes are overpriced there, plain and simple, and the real idiots are those paying $425K for a house that won't be worth $300K in 6 months to a year. You're just pissed because you know that the more the values drop, the less your crapheap is worth, and the more chance you'll have at being another one of those fools that moves out, steals appliances, and ends up renting because you're upside down and barely making ends meet.

16   HousingWatcher   2010 Jun 17, 8:48am  

"realtors are listing these homes in areas of SoCal (Inland Empire and surrounding areas) at still-ridiculous prices, and oddly enough, people are still buying them,"

If people are buying the houses, then they are not being listed at ridiculous prices.

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