patrick.net

By the way, most of the Big Bankers are WASPs like me. I think they're scum because they're the biggest "welfare queens" around. When they failed, they got bailouts. The rest of us were stuck with the bill.

That's NOT capitalism! That's crony capitalism!

What you lib's will never understand is the concept of "do it for me, do it to me"
Its time all of us to be color blind, all the time, not when it suits us to "forward our own agenda".

Otherwise you are the prejudiced ones, you're the ones focused on color, judging others based on the color of their skin - not on the content of their character, or their qualifications.

This is truly bizarre. I'm not calling you racist to score political points, but it's amazing to me that you racists can't even see your own racism!

And frankly, it will be awesome when Caucasians become the minority in America.

As Louis says:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/TG4f9zR5yzY

CL says

This is truly bizarre. I'm not calling you racist to score political points, but it's amazing to me that you racists can't even see your own racism!

And frankly, it will be awesome when Caucasians become the minority in America.

As Louis says:

In California, they already are.

In Texas and the rest of the deep south, it'll be awhile.

In the Rust Belt? NEVER. I'm from that area and I'm telling you it won't happen because people there won't allow it. Cleveland, Pittsburgh and Buffalo are so deep with European roots, it hurts. My SAP friend there was looking at the donor list for the local library, saying it read like the Warsaw phone directory.

rootvg says

In the Rust Belt? NEVER

Ha. Great. The Midwest can be the next Hazelton, PA! How is that working out for them, post-immigrant hysteria?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California

2010 census says, that California is 57.6% White (40.1% Non-Hispanic White). In what world would white be a minority?

And remember that, although white, the Poles, Irish and Italians were once persona non grata in America. Unfortunately, their memories are short or they would remember when they, as immigrants, were treated thusly.

Bigotry begets bigotry. It's incumbent on this generation to resist the racism that their old, dying parents and grandparents instilled in their progeny. I think they will, and are.

CL says

rootvg says

In the Rust Belt? NEVER

Ha. Great. The Midwest can be the next Hazelton, PA! How is that working out for them, post-immigrant hysteria?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California

2010 census says, that California is 57.6% White (40.1% Non-Hispanic White). In what world would white be a minority?

And remember that, although white, the Poles, Irish and Italians were once persona non grata in America. Unfortunately, their memories are short or they would remember when they, as immigrants, were treated thusly.

Bigotry begets bigotry. It's incumbent on this generation to resist the racism that their old, dying parents and grandparents instilled in their progeny. I think they will, and are.

Can be? How about IS?

I have relatives in both states, remember? I know where to find good pizza, hoagies and shoo fly pie.

Here again, Tom Tancredo is right. We need some time for our political culture and economy to heal. We need some time (I'm thinking twenty years) for all these groups to assimilate.

You're actually making my point for me.

Scagnetti says

I find this statement hypocritical and funny! If YOU'RE not fearful, why don't you agree to get rid of the form of affirmative action, giving preference to underrepresented groups, we have today! Go for merit, not entitlement. In lots of cases, it can be done.

...because, due to millenia of discrimination, there's still a gross imbalance in power. I believe Affirmative action remains necessary at this point in time.

With time, and monitoring, I'm optimistic that one day it won't be needed, and there won't be glaring disparities between the races and the sexes, but that's just not the case today.

Scagnetti says

I suppose you would say we can't get rid of it because of biases in the system and we should try to compensate for "historical injustices". You do understand that government can't change peoples instincts right? All of us, including you, have natural biases in our subconscious. These aren't going to go away because of "forced diversity".

And yet they are. Government ended many forms of institutionalized discrimination, instituted wage equality laws, etc. All of these things have greatly moved the needle. In the last 50 years we've made more progress towards fairness and equality than the previous 5000 years combined.

RegenMD says

And those Vietnamese success stories that "Wong" is talking about. Check your stats again about them being a Republican voting block. The uneducated parents may vote Republican. Check on how their professional kids vote. My parents voted Republican strictly on an anti-communism basis. That's done. There's other concerns now.

LOL! kids vote Demo... until they get more mature, and switch to GOP. God Family and Country gene kicks in. And like many othe children of immigrants they vote GOP. Funny how things happen. Their parents are not uneducated, Infact i have known more than a few who came here and right into Calculas and Computer HS Classes later to universities long long ago before their children were born.

Thomas, well stated - and true in my experience. I grew up in a 100% Dumocrat family. I was the first to come to my senses (in my mid twenties) when I realized Dem's = Force, not Freedom. It took my parents a much longer time but they changed from the dark side too.

Our whole family went from 100% Dems - to 100% Peace and Freedom (Ron Paul).

Freedom is soooooo refreshing, you others should try it for a change.

Love, Abe

Honest Abe says

Freedom is soooooo refreshing, you others should try it for a change.

The only people who have "freedom" are in the top 0.1% who own everyone else's labor. The rest of us have to work 40 hours (or more) per week to survive.

Didn't the robber barons use things like race and ethnic divisions to cause the underclass to fight among themselves, rather than unite for their common economic interests?

Seems that strategery still works very well today, as evidenced by this thread...

wthrfrk80 says

Didn't the robber barons use things like race and ethnic divisions to cause the underclass to fight among themselves, rather than unite for their common economic interests?

These arguments seem familiar...

wthrfrk80 says

. The rest of us have to work 40 hours (or more) per week to survive

Come work in Silicon Valley.. you will be working 50-60 hours!
and that is not uncommon for any past decade.. 80s 90s and today.

Freedom.. pull yourself by the bootstrap, its worked for many today.

Mick, the correct name is not androids, but sociopaths. But thanks for stating the obvious!

Honest Abe says

I grew up in a 100% Dumocrat family

Let me guess. In the south ?

Marcus, this thread isn't about me, or where I grew up. Where are you from, the elitist North East or perhaps the screwball state of California?

State sponsored, forced discrimination is just as wrong as any other type of discrimination. Or are you of the camp "Murder is evil - unless the government does it, or counterfeiting is wrong, unless the government does it, or discrimination is bad, unless the government does it, or theft should be illegal, unless the government does it.

Geezzzz - how can your brain mentally justify that???

Honest Abe says

Where are you from, the elitist North East or perhaps the screwball state of California?

Yes. He obviously grew up in the South.

thomas.wong1986 says

LOL! kids vote Demo... until they get more mature, and switch to GOP. God Family and Country gene kicks in. And like many othe children of immigrants they vote GOP.

I believe that demographics show that all ethnic minorities have been voting for Democrats for several election cycles (except for Arab-Americans, who trend conservative, and that was prior to 9/11 and the right's Muslim assault).

Further, Demographics don't trend well for the Right. They've long lost the Jewish vote, the Black vote, will almost permanently lose the Hispanic vote.

The Asian vote has switches sides as well. I think even the anti-communist Cuban community has switched or is on the precipice of switching.

What's left of the GOP? Angry old white people.

CL says

What's left of the GOP? Angry old white people.

That and corporate money.

wthrfrk80 says

CL says

What's left of the GOP? Angry old white people.

That and corporate money.

You are correct, with a few exceptions. It's not like that in Texas but they'll go Republican anyway. 2012 isn't 1960 or 1964. That Democratic party disappeared around 1980. That was also when Rick Perry, Phil Gramm, Dick Armey and quite a few others jumped ship and became Republicans. Dick Shelby bailed soon afterward.

If Howell Heflin were alive and serving in the Senate today, I'm fairly sure he would be a Republican as well. If not, he'd be a DINO like Mark Warner.

Problem is...those angry white people are very much in the drivers seat in swing states like Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida. The vote in VERY significant numbers and they will determine who becomes President. They always do.

rootvg says

Problem is...those angry white people are very much in the drivers seat in swing states like Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida.

True that.

I think, demographically, we're in for a big shakeup vis a vis the two major parties.

Obviously the angry old white people will begin to die off. Replacing them is lots of new immigrants from south of the border. Poor, but socially conservative.

So the Republicans may have to get more "liberal" on economic issues to woo them. And the Democrats may have to get more "conservative" on social issues like abortion and gay marriage.

I think all of that would be a good thing.

wthrfrk80 says

rootvg says

Problem is...those angry white people are very much in the drivers seat in swing states like Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida.

True that.

I think, demographically, we're in for a big shakeup vis a vis the two major parties.

Obviously the angry old white people will begin to die off. Replacing them is lots of new immigrants from south of the border. Poor, but socially conservative.

So the Republicans may have to get more "liberal" on economic issues to woo them. And the Democrats may have to get more "conservative" on social issues like abortion and gay marriage.

I think all of that would be a good thing.

Agreed, but that's gonna be awhile. Quite awhile.

CL says

Further, Demographics don't trend well for the Right. They've long lost the Jewish vote, the Black vote, will almost permanently lose the Hispanic vote.
The Asian vote has switches sides as well. I think even the anti-communist Cuban community has switched or is on the precipice of switching.

FWIW, asian and latino (Californians) arent all immigrants or poor working class like the media and left-wing would like to portray.. they have been here for multiple generations now.. and many are successfull business people in many different fields with their own right and belief in tradional values of hard work and free enterprise.

Over the past 10 years now, here comes the east coast liberals, because they discovered Silicon Valley, and want to dictate their nonsense social policies trying to rewrite our successfully experiences for "Californians". Like so many, they are all to greedy to "write their own name" into our (Californian) history books.

Its just laughable!

CL says

What's left of the GOP? Angry old white people.

And angry Hispanic, Asian, and other groups who share the same political philosophies.

There's a big difference between the brand of Hispanic that goes to Texas and the brand that goes to California.

I've seen them and they ARE different.

rootvg says

the brand of Hispanic that goes to

I know nothing of "that goes to" but I know of many "Californians" who have been here and have Mexican ancestry, as i have known many of Italian, German, Japanese, Russian, Korean and other ancestry. I known them since they lived on the same block, gone to the same church, same schools, made friendships through out our lives. We are not the liberals some on the left and media paint us as being.

thomas.wong1986 says

rootvg says

the brand of Hispanic that goes to

I know nothing of "that goes to" but I know of many "Californians" with Mexican ancestry, as i have known many of Italian, German, Japanese, Russian, Korean and other ancestry. I known them since they lived on the same block, gone to the same church, same schools, made friendships through out our lives. We are not the liberals some on the left paint us as being.

I used that phrase because it came from a Hispanic guy who was working two and three jobs to put his academically talented kid through Jesuit Academy, which is probably the best Catholic HS in that area.

That isn't a politically correct area down there and I'm not a politically correct person...not gonna be, either.

rootvg says

That isn't a politically correct area down there and I'm not a politically correct person...not gonna be, either.

"politically correct" a foreign concept imported from the East Coast... puke!

Thomas, just because you keep giving stupid answers doesn't mean you're winning this thread.

Scagnetti, I think you could probably do with having a bit more white guy guilt.

This was a troll post.

This instructive cartoon, called a "silent agitator' when first distributed exactly a century ago, is part of a large collection of such educational documents created by the I.W.W. in it's campaign to organize workers into a single union.

http://www.iww.org

They were effective enough in their goals, which included open opposition to the first World War, that they provoked a violent suppression action, supported by both parties, called the Palmer Raids, which resulted in government incited arson and demolition of union halls, and executions of IWW leaders. This was Hoover's first big project. Clearly as a corporate stooge his future was very bright.

Were he still alive, Palmer would surely be filled with envy at the powers available to the government for suppression of dissent in the U.S. today. He had no idea that if you propagandize a lie often enough, people throughout the country will happily parrot the lie, even if it means their own destruction.

kentm says

Thomas, just because you keep giving stupid answers doesn't mean you're winning this thread.

We (Californians) dont need your liberal agenda nonsense. We were doing just fine before you came here.

Thank you for visiting our state and have a safe ride back home.

State sponsored racism is still racism. Double standards, alive and well in the liberal "brain".

University of California, Berkley Cookie Sale:
Cookies $1.50
If you're American Indian $1.25
If you're Mexican American $1.00
If you're African American 50 cents
If you're an illegal alien, we pay you $1.19 for each cookie you can eat.

Liberal thinking, dumb and dummerer.

"The productive class resigns itself to being tethered to a permenant milestone of egregious taxation and inflation in support of the consumption class of bureaucrats and the entitled,

OR

There is a financial civil war and revolt by the productive class, and economic default on the obligation to support the non-productive classes (politicians and those infected by the entitlement disease)".

Daxton Brown: Preparing for Economic, Social, and Political Collapse

It is impossible to overcome the growing size of entitlements, except through default by the productive class. Liberalism is the cause of the disease.

The leviathan State is demanding more and more tax revenue from a smaller and smaller group of producers. It cannot continue on this way. Collapse is imminent, the real question is when.

wthrfrk80 says

rootvg says

Problem is...those angry white people are very much in the drivers seat in swing states like Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida.

True that.

I think, demographically, we're in for a big shakeup vis a vis the two major parties.

Obviously the angry old white people will begin to die off. Replacing them is lots of new immigrants from south of the border. Poor, but socially conservative.

So the Republicans may have to get more "liberal" on economic issues to woo them. And the Democrats may have to get more "conservative" on social issues like abortion and gay marriage.

I think all of that would be a good thing.

Oh yeah, big government with conservative social policy. We get to be just like China!

Honest Abe says

It is impossible to overcome the growing size of entitlements, except through default by the productive class. Liberalism is the cause of the disease.

As if you know anything about the "productive class".

Honest Abe says

The leviathan State is demanding more and more tax revenue from a smaller and smaller group of producers. It cannot continue on this way. Collapse is imminent, the real question is when.

Ah, yes, the "leviathan State" is clearly demanding more and more tax revenue. Why, the federal government has increased taxes by an average of negative 12% over the last 15 years!

Honest Abe says

people who are mad as hell and are not going to remain silent any longer.

When were you silent?

I was silent when both the repub's and demo crats were busy destroying America's freedoms.

Nomo, you are obviously radically unaware of whats going on in America. Hope you get better soon. Try reading some good books, a mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Todays book recommendation: Capitalism & Freedom, by Milton Friedman.

PS I know you're a hater of Capitalism (well, at least your comments indicate you hate freedom) so just think of "Free Enterprise" when you see the word capitalism. It might help make your mind right. You don't hate Free Enterprise, do you?

Honest Abe says

Nomo, you are obviously radically unaware of whats going on in America. Hope you get better soon. Try reading some good books, a mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Todays book recommendation: Capitalism & Freedom, by Milton Friedman.

PS I know you're a hater of Capitalism (well, at least your comments indicate you hate freedom) so just think of "Free Enterprise" when you see the word capitalism. It might help make your mind right. You don't hate Free Enterprise, do you?

Abe, at the end of the day there are far more of us than there are of him. This is why his type uses emotion and the heat of the moment as leverage to get what they want done.

As evidenced by the number of years Republicans v. Democrats have served in the White House since World War II, sometimes they get a few things they want. Most of the time, they do not. Most of the time we shove our foot up their ass and end up laughing about how screwy and unfocused they are, over a few beers.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxtopics/2010_budget_high-income.cfm

Kevin, why not try a little common sense...like cause and effect. Government raises budget BY $3.5 TRILLION DOLLARS, again -(cause) - tax increases to follow (effect). Well duhhhhaaa. My guess is that you are either unaware of the negative consequences of bad political decisions - or - you support them. Which do you think it is??

And why would you ASS ume that I know nothing about the productive class.

After all the ONLY people who care about government waste, fraud, mismanagement, corruption, trampling the constitution, over-reaching laws, constraint of the people, over-regulation and trying to micromanage every aspect of our business and personal life are the people in the productive class, who pay federal income tax - people like me - people who are mad as hell and are not going to remain silent any longer.

@root

Don't know if you saw the latest poll results in the swing states. It appears that there aren't as many of "you" as you thought...

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-pulls-front-romney-santorum-key-states-quinnipiac-105729939.html

Tapout 70,

Rootvg was referring to the NUMBER of indibiduals who are NOT liberals, not the delegate count or the latest poll results.

Screwy liberals make up less than 30% of the America population (thank god), according to Aurthur Brooks, author of todays book recommendation: THE BATTLE, How the Fight Between FREE ENTERPRISE and BIG GOVERNMENT Will Shape America's Future.