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Dan8267 says

Anyone who has anything against Elizabeth Warren is either a banker or an imbecile. She clearly is one of the fed people trying to protect the middle class from its utter dismantlement

She's a double-standard hypocrite that talks a good game - that is all. If she were to get into office, she would merely be another Orwellian PIG... So Boo hoo!!

Travis Bickle says

She's a double-standard hypocrite that talks a good game - that is all. If she were to get into office, she would merely be another Orwellian PIG... So Boo hoo!!

Specifics, please.

It seems to me that some people just want the middle class destroyed. I can't find any other reason to oppose Warren's agenda. Sometimes the good guys are so good it's obvious, and the bad guys are so bad it's obvious. This is one of those cases.

Cloud says

So vote for a bitch who lies about her background?

My point exactly. It's a character issue. If she can't pass for good character, why would I believe that she means what she says...

I DO like Bill Black though - but he's no politician...

Travis Bickle says

Cloud says

So vote for a bitch who lies about her background?

My point exactly. It's a character issue. If she can't pass for good character, why would I believe that she means what she says...

1. There is no evidence whatsoever that Warren lied about her background. In fact, no one is denying that she isn't descendent from Native Americans. If a single one of her ancestors was a Native American, then her claim is true and had that ancestor not existed or reproduced, she would not be here.

2. Whether or not Warren is descendant from Native Americans is irrelevant. She gained nothing from this claim, and it does not have anything to do with the policies and reforms she advocates.

3. Bush lied about weapons of mass destruction and thus caused the deaths of approximately one million people. Some lies matter. Even if Warren had lied about being descendant from Native Americans, it did not result in any deaths. Yet, neither of you are bitching about the lies told by Bush and Cheney; lies that lead to mass death and destruction as well as pissing on the Constitution.

4. It is ridiculous to attack her character on this trumped up issue especially when you don't attack the character of the Republican candidates Romney, Newt, Santorum. Hell, they are all immoral asswipes with the exceptions of Ron Paul and possibly Jon Huntsman. Newt left his dying wife and had affairs. Romney and Santorum are gay bashers. Rick Perry murdered an innocent man, literally. Where's your outrage on that?

So, I have to call this whole thread complete hypocritical bullshit.

Even if Warren lied about being descendant from Native Americans -- which there is no evidence of -- then that's still a very weak basis for attacking her especially in comparison to the mountains of lies told by all politicians on both sides of the aisle. As such, this seems to be a case where people are outraged not because of the alleged lie, but because they don't like her policies and are grasping at straws to find something to be outraged about.

Dan8267 says

She clearly is one of the fed people trying to protect the middle class from its utter dismantlement.

Yeah that's why She left quietly leaving the CFPB business unfinished. There's never been more fraud and corruption involved with Credit than ever. She didn't do jack shit but talk talk, perhaps she could have done something. But I don't have any use for these neocrat line toters.

Dan8267 says

neither of you are bitching about the lies told by Bush and Cheney; lies that lead to mass death and destruction as well as pissing on the Constitution.

I sure as hell did not support this either - especally given the $$ cost of that debacle, in blood and money - but alas, that is in the past - unless our government is trying to find a way of preventing another such disaster - it is well time to get over that and move on...
Dan8267 says

Some lies matter.

ALL lies matter - especially from our elected public servants . .

Obama fails MISERABLY when it comes to character, he certainly is no alter boy - so I would rather take my chances on someone else - the more experienced "lesser of two evils" as I see it... Who among these candidates walks on water?? If they were so clean as to do so, they probably wouldn't be in politics to begin with....

I don't think she is qualified for the position. She means well, but good intentions alone isn't good enough. Obamas administration had good intentions, and miserably failed out of sheer incompetence, like Carter.

FortWayne says

Obamas administration had good intentions, and miserably failed out of sheer incompetence, like Carter.

You'd like that. I guess it was the plan of republican congressmen. Assholes who care so little for this country that they promote extreme dysfunction in the hopes that they can blame Obama for it.

The extreme dysfunction that exists in congress is no more Obama's fault than the depression is, that hit us before he started. This isn't to say that I'm not disappointed in some ways with Obama.

I'm not surprised though at all that you want to blame our problems on Obama. What else would you do?

marcus says

I'm not surprised though at all that you want to blame our problems on Obama. What else would you do?

I'm not blaming all the problems on Obama. There are legitimate gripes with both parties there. Obama is no innocent lamb.

Travis Bickle says

ALL lies matter - especially from our elected public servants . .

Name one elected official other than maybe Ron Paul who hasn't lied while in office or running for office. Oh, and I'm including using money from superpacs to run deceitful ads through third parties. Getting others to tell your lies for you is still lying.

A lie that results in the death of a million people and countless suffering is a hell of a lot worse than telling your girlfriend that her butt doesn't look big. It's the consequences not the action that matter.

FortWayne says

I don't think she is qualified for the position. She means well, but good intentions alone isn't good enough. Obamas administration had good intentions, and miserably failed out of sheer incompetence, like Carte

Obama has failed because he simply continued and expanded upon the policies of the previous administration. There is no difference between Obama and Bush in policy. The only difference is which team they play for, and both teams are owned by corrupt corporations.

My understanding is that Carter failed because Congress made him impotent. Now I'm too young to remember the Carter administration, so I'm basing that understanding on what I've read and what I've listen to other people saying.

Elizabeth Warren is highly qualified to become president. Remember, when the country was founded, the presidents weren't career politicians and that was a good thing.

Warren was a professor of law at Harvard. That's pretty top notch credentials. She's done original research into the decline of the middle class and living standards in America over the past 40 years. She's got the brains and the experience in law and economics to make a difference.

Compare that to

- Obama, who is president only because he was picked by Harry Reid as the more likely than Hilary to defeat McCain. Other than that Obama was just a low-rank politician and bureaucrat.

- G.W. Bush, who was a failure at every job he was handed by his rich, president daddy, and was a druggie.

- G. Bush Sr., who was a plutocrat set up with political connections from his daddy.

- Reagan, who was a puppet for big corporations and a third rate actor.

Maybe Bill Clinton had a somewhat substantial resume before becoming president, but it wasn't any better than Warren's.

APOCALYPSEFUCK isFrank Sinatra says

Look, if she says she's Jesus Fucking Christ on a bicycle and she kicks the banksters in the face, who cares

Hell, Jesus on a bicycle killing banksters would convince me that atheism is wrong! I just got a visual...

Dan8267 says

Hell, they are all immoral asswipes with the exceptions of Ron Paul and possibly Jon Huntsman

Paul is a liar too. Don't believe the hype.

And Carter wasn't what the right, (the history re-writers) would have you believe.

The Republicans have benefited by a weird tautology. If the economy is bad under a Democrat, it was the Democrat's fault (no matter what the makeup of Congress was).

If it is bad under a Republican, and the preceding administration was a Democratic one, then it was the predecessor's fault.

If the first term (think: Reagan) was mired economically, it was the previous admin's fault. If the 2nd term starts to grow, then it was because it takes a whole term to feel the effects of the (R)'s policies.

Keep in mind that this has served them well since the 40s, since no Democrat had ever been reelected before Clinton.

And the best thing Clinton ever did for the D's was to be reelected. He got to crow about the economy, and it through the GOP of their meme.

FortWayne says

I don't think she is qualified for the position. She means well, but good intentions alone isn't good enough. Obamas administration had good intentions, and miserably failed out of sheer incompetence, like Carter.

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Yes, and we're already hearing the same complaints about Obama that we heard about Carter: the isolation, that he's aloof, that he's a micro manager, etc.

It's been over for two years.

FortWayne says

I don't think she is qualified for the position. She means well, but good intentions alone isn't good enough. Obamas administration had good intentions, and miserably failed out of sheer incompetence, like Carter.

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If she can't win in Mass, she should throw in the towel and go back to academia.

What exactly does the right-wing voter hate about Elizabeth Warren? I can understand what bankers and other financial parasites hate about her: she challenges their oligopolies. But what does the dirt poor, rank-in-file Republicans have against her?

The only thing I can think of is that she challenged the myth of the self-made made, which is religious dogma to right wingers, even though most of those self-made men made themselves by ruthlessly betraying others and fucking over their employees and customers.

Dan8267 says

What exactly does the right-wing voter hate about Elizabeth Warren? I can understand what bankers and other financial parasites hate about her: she challenges their oligopolies. But what does the dirt poor, rank-in-file Republicans have against her?

The only thing I can think of is that she challenged the myth of the self-made made, which is religious dogma to right wingers, even though most of those self-made men made themselves by ruthlessly betraying others and fucking over their employees and customers.

I don't hate her at all. I don't know much about her.

I will tell you that if she's trailing Scott Brown this early and has been trailing him for awhile in Massachusetts for a seat the Kennedy family controlled for fifty plus years, she's cooked.

Again, it's a campaign against her because they are afraid of what she represents--real reform. That means real money to the banksters (remember they killed her appointment to the bureau too).

And now she's not a Native American, and NR had that hit piece, and later retraction? Obviously, she's on their radar.

CL says

Again, it's a campaign against her because they are afraid of what she represents--real reform. That means real money to the banksters

Yes, to the bankers. But what about the rank-in-file dirt poor Republican Jesus freaks. What stick do they have up their ass about Warren?

Dan8267 says

CL says

Again, it's a campaign against her because they are afraid of what she represents--real reform. That means real money to the banksters

Yes, to the bankers. But what about the rank-in-file dirt poor Republican Jesus freaks. What stick do they have up their ass about Warren?

Is that rhetorical? They are easily lead, and ultimately rally around people even they feel are anathema. Hence, their newfound belief that Romney is preferable to Obama.

Real reason? He has an R next to his name, as Boosh did. Partisanship runs higher there than it does on the left.

Cloud says

Um, so vote for a bitch who lies about her background?

Go team, go, go team go, push'em back push'em back...waaaay back.

Hypocrites.

She didn't lie, and gained nothing from her heritage.

True story...

My Mom always told us, that my father(He never talked much to us kids) told her, that his grand mother was a Cherokee squaw.
I was never one of those people that ran around claiming to be 1/8th Indian or any portion of it for that matter, no more than I claim my "Welch" heritage from my mother's Higginbotham maiden name.

So my brother, the consummate penny pincher, recently has been researching our family tree, to find proof. Because he's trying to cash in on College grants for his daughter. Well guess what? That story we've been told our whole life was false, her last name was Horton, and her folks also came from Wales. (Go figure, I'm 100% Welch) 0% Indian.

My brother who also works in government, as 100% confident he was in our family history, as handed down my Mom the family Historian. Which got better every time she retold our roots. Knew better than to just act on hear say with out actually fact checking.

EW must either be dishonest or a moron. Perhaps she's had too much peyotee button soup from the real Pow Wow cook book.

Me, I like Estella Warren.

Now that stimulates my package.

Yep, Warren started by thinking that middle class people were just pissing their money away on jetskis - the opposite of the conclusion she came to after doing the research.

CaptainShuddup says

EW must either be dishonest or a moron

She must be...I mean, she is running with a (D) near her name?

Yawn.

Dan8267 says

What exactly does the right-wing voter hate about Elizabeth Warren?

How about her claiming intellectual founding of the OWS crackpot movement back when the MSM was still fawning on the dirty hippies? There is also a video of her shouting about how "no one in America makes it on our own" without government wiping our asses. Essentially arguing that nothing gets done in America without the our wise and altruistic betters in Government and Acadamia. Big turnoff to me at least.

Also got to call you out peddling the dumb as dirt "Bush lied about WMD's" meme. Do I need to post all of the quotes from Democrats and foreign leaders saying Saddam had WMD's?

Do you really believe that Bush would spend over a year trying to convince the country and the world to force Saddam out of power and really pick WMD's as one of the main reasons if he knew it was a lie all along? How hard would it have been to smuggle a few barrels of anthrax or other WMD's to cover the lie if you think Bush was such an evil war-monger?

There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of liberating Iraq, but please stop with the stupid "Bush Lied" LIE.

Bush did lie. They dragged out any reason they could, hoping that the various sections of the public would agree that that one reason was justifying the campaign.

Saddam tried to kill Bush the Elder
Saddam paid Palestinians to suicide bomb in Gaza
They violated the UN agreements
They were going nucULAR
Saddam was a threat to Israel
Saddam had stockpiles of WMDs, mushroom clouds on the horizon
Saddam tried to acquire Uranium from Niger
Saddam was a dictator and "killed his own people"

So he was an existential threat to the entire world. Only he wasn't any of that. Arguably, the world was better off with him in power.

And why would OWS be a "crackpot" movement? We can show you logically why wealth concentration is bad for America and the world.

Anyone who has played by the rules will be offended by Elizabeth Warren's description of herself as a Native American in the law school directories. Non-minority, middle class applicants to graduate schools are typically picked apart by George W. Bush like imbeciles who gain admission based on connections, or "minorities" who gain admission with lower scores because of their "race." Ditto for the job market when affirmative action (i.e. acceptable racism) is flagrantly practiced.

Not only should Warren be ashamed of using this tenuous claim for career advancement, her bizarre rationalization of the behavior indicates a very flawed charater.

Yes politicians suck, and here is another example of an overachieving psychopath who will say anything to get ahead.

Blurtman says

Not only should Warren be ashamed of using this tenuous claim for career advancement, her bizarre rationalization of the behavior indicates a very flawed charater.

Expound? How has she advanced because of it? And what has she done worthy of being called a "psychopath"?

Travis Bickle says

ALL lies matter - especially from our elected public servants . .

Now whose living in a UTOPIA of their own making.

If all lies matter, then name a SINGLE president that has never told a lie. Not everything in the world is black and white. There are shades of grey.

And to write off Warren for a few inconsequential lies is absolutely moronic.

If everyone lies.. then voting in the person with the fewest lies and least damaging lies.. is the only logical way to go.

Anyone in here live in Mass like me? ok

"1. There is no evidence whatsoever that Warren lied about her background. In fact, no one is denying that she isn't descendent from Native Americans. If a single one of her ancestors was a Native American, then her claim is true and had that ancestor not existed or reproduced, she would not be here."

It IS hypocritical to suggest that she worked her way up to being at Harvard if she had affirmative action programs help her obtain the position and tenure. She said that she said she was native american to meet others and yet there are native american events EVERY DAY where she was and there is no record of her attending a single event! So why did she put it down?
If everyone was to take what their great great great grandparents were and put it down heck we'd have practically monarchies in this country. Even if you believe in affirmative action exactly how far can we go back on this? There are no pure white,black, hispanic, asians anymore. Besides eventually that would lead to inbreeding!

"2. Whether or not Warren is descendant from Native Americans is irrelevant. She gained nothing from this claim, and it does not have anything to do with the policies and reforms she advocates."

Except for her advertisements that claimed that she did everything on her own. Are you aware of the affirmative action cases involving firefighting in Boston? Basically this is pretty touchy around here since this case happened. Here's a link with the details

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2003/08/26/judge_tells_city_to_hire_four_white_firefighters/

"3. Bush lied about weapons of mass destruction and thus caused the deaths of approximately one million people. Some lies matter. Even if Warren had lied about being descendant from Native Americans, it did not result in any deaths. Yet, neither of you are bitching about the lies told by Bush and Cheney; lies that lead to mass death and destruction as well as pissing on the Constitution."

That's really not the point. It isn't about bush. I think you can make a better argument than this.

"4. It is ridiculous to attack her character on this trumped up issue especially when you don't attack the character of the Republican candidates Romney, Newt, Santorum. Hell, they are all immoral asswipes with the exceptions of Ron Paul and possibly Jon Huntsman. Newt left his dying wife and had affairs. Romney and Santorum are gay bashers. Rick Perry murdered an innocent man, literally. Where's your outrage on that?"

Again not relevant.

"Even if Warren lied about being descendant from Native Americans -- which there is no evidence of -- then that's still a very weak basis for attacking her especially in comparison to the mountains of lies told by all politicians on both sides of the aisle. As such, this seems to be a case where people are outraged not because of the alleged lie, but because they don't like her policies and are grasping at straws to find something to be outraged about."

Well she's a prop for the bankers. The consumer protection board is a power grab. It is housed in the federal reserve and funded by them. It is exempt from foia and sunshine laws.

She had an event at my university..here's a few bits

1) Security was uber tight. Rumor has it she's afraid of urban areas (read..black people). She won't really campaign in Brockton, New Bedford, Fall River, Lawrence, Springfield or Worcester. She's banking on liberal votes in suburban to rural areas.

2) She REFUSES to be referred to as a professor even though that's her title. Why you don't want to be called that is beyond me. She doesn't want to be seen as a academic..ok lady what did you do for the past 25 years then ?!? Sell Amway products?

3) She doesn't show up for her own debates..what? She hasn't won the primary yet because it doesn't take place until september. She's been called out on this a number of times. She's acting as if she's already won

4) She's not nearly as liberal as you might think. She's no Paul Wellstone or Bernie Sanders. She has no stance on the war on drugs, she has no real energy plan, she has no stance on foreign policy, she has no real stance on free trade etc
http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Elizabeth_Warren.htm

I could care less about OWS..that's pointless here. But she has no experience in government at all. At least Brown has experience going back decades on the state level. I'm not saying I agree with him on everything but experience is a bit better just like I'd argue that we'd be in better shape with Hillary rather than Obama in office.

socal2 says

There is also a video of her shouting about how "no one in America makes it on our own" without government wiping our asses.

I've seen the video, that's not what she said. She said that everyone who has made it only had the opportunity to do so because of all the benefits that society afforded them through police, fire protection, sewer systems, highways, an electric grid, and all the other public infrastructure that we all take for granted but is necessary to "make it" financially. And she was absolutely correct in that.

I would go even further and say that in order to become a billionaire, you have to exploit the labor of other people. No one produces a billion dollars of wealth on their own. That's b.s.

socal2 says

Also got to call you out peddling the dumb as dirt "Bush lied about WMD's" meme.

Bush's lies to start an unjust war are not a "meme". A meme doesn't kill a million men, women, and children.

As for the dumb ass democrats who fell for Bush's lie, they are dumb asses. But far more republicans than democrats voted for the war, and you can't wash that stink off of your party.

And I hope that everyone notice that the worst thing you've brought up about the democrats is that they agreed with the republicans during the Bush administration. That's pretty sad, but accurate.

socal2 says

Do you really believe that Bush would spend over a year trying to convince the country and the world to force Saddam out of power and really pick WMD's as one of the main reasons if he knew it was a lie all along?

Fuck yes. In fact, the Manning memo proves that Bush had set a date for the war regardless of whether any WMD were found.

socal2 says

How hard would it have been to smuggle a few barrels of anthrax or other WMD's to cover the lie if you think Bush was such an evil war-monger?

Why fake evidence when fake evidence can be discredited. Evidently Bush didn't need to fake evidence to get his war or to get fools to support his war even after all the lies were revealed.

The bottom line is that anyone who sees no wrong doing in their party and no right doing in the other is a complete moron. I've gone on the record criticizing the left in details including criticizing Obama. If I've criticized the right even more, it's only because their bullshit costs more lives and is more batshit crazy.

All I'm seeing from the "conservatives" on this site, is the same partisan bullshit, our guys do no wrong and your guys do no right. I see that even when Obama does exactly what the republicans have asked for. However, here's your chance to prove me wrong, socal2. All you have to do is name ten ways in which G.W. Bush majorly sucked ass as president. If you can't do that, then your opinion means nothing. Bush has made it easy to find faults in presidency. And I've already done this with Obama.

So, socal2, prove that your not just a partisan bullshitter by naming ten ways in which G.W. Bush majorly sucked ass.

mdovell says

It IS hypocritical to suggest that she worked her way up to being at Harvard if she had affirmative action programs help her obtain the position and tenure.

1. Warren did not create Affirmative Action.
2. There is no evidence to suggest that Warren even benefited from Affirmative Action.
3. There is no evidence to suggest that Warren prevented someone else from benefiting from Affirmative Action.
4. There is no evidence to suggest that Warren lied or in any way exaggerated or misrepresented the truth.
5. There is evidence that Warren's claim is true.

Genealogist Chris Child traced Warren’s Native American ancestry to her great-great-great grandmother, who was listed on a 1894 marriage license as Cherokee.

And quite frankly, that marriage license is more than reasonable evidence to cause a person to believe that he or she is descendant from Native Americans.

6. Just because Warren is white and blonde doesn't mean that all her ancestors were white. If anything, this just proves that Affirmative Action is silly.
7. The silliness of Affirmative Action is not Warren's fault.
8. If a republican were the subject of this made up scandal, not a single conservative would give it credit and you all would be calling this a liberal bullshit attempt to distract from the real issues. And so would I.
9. Warrens research on the decline of the middle class alone proves her competence and ability.

mdovell says

She said that she said she was native american to meet others and yet there are native american events EVERY DAY where she was and there is no record of her attending a single event! So why did she put it down?

Dude, she was raised with the story of her Native American ancestor. She had accepted it as a fact since she was a child. During the three seconds it takes to check a box on a form, she probably didn't analyze the situation and just thought "well I am descendent from Native Americans, maybe it would be fun to meet others" and then never thought about it again. This is very believable.

Again, the evidence shows that her claim is valid, and even if it wasn't, even if it were simply a mistake, it would not be a lie. But again, the evidence shows it's not even a mistake. This is clearly conservatives trying to character assassinate a threat to their power.

mdovell says

Except for her advertisements that claimed that she did everything on her own.

Comparing Warren to Romney, Bush, or any other successful republican is a joke. Bush's dad was president. Bush's granddad was a senator. The whole Bush family is a plutocracy. Romney is no better. His dad was the CEO of General Motors. He's so freaking out of touch with the common man that he said that although he didn't know much about NASCAR, some of his best friends owned NASCAR teams. That was his way of relating to the common man.

In contrast, Elizabeth Warren is certainly a self-made person. And yet she still doesn't take on the republican "I've got mine, fuck you" attitude.

mdovell says

That's really not the point. It isn't about bush. I think you can make a better argument than this.

If you're going to bitch and moan about a truthful statement that even if it were a lie -- which it isn't -- it would have been an unimportant one, and you did not bitch and moan about the lies the Bush administration told which caused massive deaths, torture, and human rights violations, then you are being a hypocrite, plain and simple.

The only people who are bitching about Warren are Bush supporters. It's again with the my team does no wrong, yours does no right. Except that in the case of the republicans, it's been true that their team has done no right since Nixon, and he's hardly a shining example. But at least he had SALT.

When the right is being so hypocritical, it's impossible to take their opinions seriously. You guys aren't even at the table because you're being ridiculous. You completely ignore all the horrific crap that your candidates do, and then you ignore the horrific crap that your opposition does because it’s the same thing that your team does. And then instead you go for fake controversies like Obama being Kenyan, Warren not being descendant from Native Americans, and other non-issue contrived controversies.

And it's not like the left doesn't give you real ammo to use. It's just that if you used that ammo, you'd have to hit some of your own guys and you refuse to do that.

mdovell says

The consumer protection board is a power grab.

The Consumer Protection Board was destroyed by republicans and their banker overlords. It was a good idea, but it was killed because Obama didn't have the balls to stand up to republicans, because he is one in all but skin tone and lapel.

In any case, Warren's feasibility as president has nothing to do with this trumped up charge of lying about her "race" to garner Affirmative Action support. But I have no problem with Warren not having a presidential platform yet, since she's not running for president. Actually, I care more about getting someone who understands the problems the middle class is having and is willing to do something to save the middle class than having a platform at all.

mdovell says

Are you aware of the affirmative action cases involving firefighting in Boston?

Yes. And when it occurred, I like Bill Maher, called it racism. The people who did best on the exams should get the jobs and promotions regardless of race, and that includes situations where whites do better than blacks. There was nothing whatsoever on the written exams that was racially prejudice. And firefighting is such an important job that to give the positions to the least qualified people not only is bigotry, but it also endangers the public.

There is no such thing as "reverse discrimination", there is only discrimination, and discrimination can be done against whites and males just as easily as blacks and females. And it is just as wrong.

However, none of this has anything to do with Elizabeth Warren.

CL says

Keep in mind that this has served them well since the 40s, since no Democrat had ever been reelected before Clinton.

This is dumb. If you cherry pick dates and ignore FDR, there were only two republicans to win re-election before Clinton.

Had JFK and RFK not been assassinated, it probably would have been democrats all through the 60s and 70s.

What you said is about the equivalent of saying "No Republican has been President since 2008".

Dan8267 says

1. Warren did not create Affirmative Action.
2. There is no evidence to suggest that Warren even benefited from Affirmative Action.
3. There is no evidence to suggest that Warren prevented someone else from benefiting from Affirmative Action.
4. There is no evidence to suggest that Warren lied or in any way exaggerated or misrepresented the truth.

I didn't say she created AA. No evidence? She was listed as minority professor based on this claim. How can anyone go back four or so generations to claim being a minority? If she qualified for minority status then that means she could have been taking the spot of someone who was a real minorityDan8267 says

And quite frankly, that marriage license is more than reasonable evidence to cause a person to believe that he or she is descendant from Native Americans.

6. Just because Warren is white and blonde doesn't mean that all her ancestors were white. If anything, this just proves that Affirmative Action is silly.
7. The silliness of Affirmative Action is not Warren's fault.
8. If a republican were the subject of this made up scandal, not a single conservative would give it credit and you all would be calling this a liberal bullshit attempt to distract from the real issues. And so would I.
9. Warrens research on the decline of the middle class alone proves her competence and ability.

Warren also said quoting her aunt that this ancestor had high cheekbones like all native americans do. Huh? So now she's making stereotypes
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/warren-my-grandfather-had-high-cheekbones-all-indians-do_643103.html

What if this ancestor was Jewish and she made some claim about Jews having the same phenotypes? Dan8267 says

Dude, she was raised with the story of her Native American ancestor. She had accepted it as a fact since she was a child. During the three seconds it takes to check a box on a form, she probably didn't analyze the situation and just thought "well I am descendent from Native Americans, maybe it would be fun to meet others" and then never thought about it again. This is very believable.

Again, the evidence shows that her claim is valid, and even if it wasn't, even if it were simply a mistake, it would not be a lie. But again, the evidence shows it's not even a mistake. This is clearly conservatives trying to character assassinate a threat to their power.

And as a child people accept Santa but should we invoke that as well?

Back in '04 the same was argued with Senator Kerry in that it was found out he really wasn't Irish but rather Czech and Jewish. Kohn was his real last name.
http://judaism.about.com/od/jewishgenealogy/a/jewpas_kerry.htm

The argument being is that you should know your background before you run for office. She should have known this was going to come up just like everything she has ever published or taught.

To note I used to get into some interesting conversations with a man from Venezuela (he left after Chavez came in). He claimed being Latino should include all latin based languages, not just Portuguese and Spanish. If everyone that was French, Italian and Romanian put down they were latino the whole concept would be screwed up. She should have never put it down as she knew it had significance or else they wouldn't have asked for it!Dan8267 says

Comparing Warren to Romney, Bush, or any other successful republican is a joke

True so why did you?Dan8267 says

In contrast, Elizabeth Warren is certainly a self-made person. And yet she still doesn't take on the republican "I've got mine, fuck you" attitude

And she doesn't show up for her debates even though they were announced months prior. If she doesn't win the primary she has no one to blame but herself. If she loses she would have to mount a independent bid about two months prior to the election which would require massive amounts of money. There have been debates with a empty chair representing Warren. You should never ignore the fact that primaries happen before general elections.

Since when is showing up so hard to do? Mass isn't the same size as CA. You can drive halfway across us in probably two hours.
http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/02/elizabeth_warren_angers_democr.html

If she loves to talk about the issues then why not just show up for a debate? If this was republican debate the press would be all over it.Dan8267 says

The only people who are bitching about Warren are Bush supporters.

I wasn't a bush supporting and you making a poor argument to suggest so. Get back to the main topic and start making a logical discussion about the issues I brought up!Dan8267 says

The Consumer Protection Board was destroyed by republicans and their banker overlords.

OK that's fine. So why should Warren brag about creating it on her commercials. She cannot have it both ways. Either it does what she wanted it to do or it does not.

Her ads state in mass that she stood up against the banks...how? With what? She doesn't list anything.

She's not even middle class. She has a job where you cannot get fired (tenure). To what manner and what extent is is "middle class" to have a guaranteed job for life?

This isn't to slam the left. The sad thing is there ARE some decent democrats but they don't get the support. Democrats do this all the time. They support someone for being popular or cool rather than people that worked in communities, advanced opportunities or *gasp* created jobs.

Here's one that SHOULD have stayed in the race
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Khazei

He dropped out because Warren gets more national attention. Meanwhile this guy has had more management experience in one year then Warren has had in her whole life. He challenged other democrats not to take PAC money..well Warren did.

mdovell says

No evidence? She was listed as minority professor based on this claim.

Maybe being a woman counted as a minority.

Kevin says

CL says

Keep in mind that this has served them well since the 40s, since no Democrat had ever been reelected before Clinton.

This is dumb. If you cherry pick dates and ignore FDR, there were only two republicans to win re-election before Clinton.

Had JFK and RFK not been assassinated, it probably would have been democrats all through the 60s and 70s.

What you said is about the equivalent of saying "No Republican has been President since 2008".

Nixon was re-elected too (assuming you meant Ike and Reagan).

I don't think it's dumb, no. It doesn't matter if you agree, what matters is that POLITICALLY, the Republicans had been able to claim that a Democratic victory was an anomaly. That the country is right-center/right, and that Democrats only get elected when their side screws up.

(Even with Clinton, they rush to believe that Ross Perot threw it to him, or myriad other ways to de-legitimize Democratic Presidents).

When they overlay this myth on top of economic cycles and the tautology I presented, it allows them to blame all bad things on Ds, and all "good" things on the Rs.

As a political strategy this served them well until Clinton, although you can see their writhing under Obama.