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121212 says

“I own an AR-15. I’ve got it at my house. The question is if you deny me the right to buy another one, have you made America safer?”

If someone were to break into his home and steal one AR-15, that's one rifle in the hands of a criminal. If TWO AR-15s are stolen that's potentially TWO rifles in the hands of two separate criminals. So yes, in that case America IS safer.

dodgerfanjohn says

LOL.

Wahhhhhhhh!

Waaahhhhhhhhhhhhh!

I'm afraid of inatimate objects.

Stand up be a man for once in your snively little life.

Great, then you won't mind if I come over and hide a live Claymore somewhere in your yard?

Hey, its only an inanimate object.

thomaswong.1986 says

New Renter says

If someone were to break into his home and steal one AR-15, that's one rifle in the hands of a criminal. If TWO AR-15s are stolen that's potentially TWO rifles in the hands of two separate criminals. So yes, in that case America IS safer.

FYI.. many gun owners have locked down gun safes.

Maybe, but how many owners DON'T keep their guns in a safe figuring - rightly - that keeping their gun in a safe is a hindrance to the very reason for having the damn thing in the first place? When a strung out meth addicted baby raper has broken into your home the last thing you want to do is try to remember the combination to your safe, THEN load the gun, and only then go protect your family.

thomaswong.1986 says

New Renter says

Maybe, but how many owners DON'T keep their guns in a safe figuring - rightly - that keeping their gun in a safe is a hindrance to the very reason for having the damn thing in the first place? When a strung out meth addicted baby raper has broken into your home the last thing you want to do is try to remember the combination to your safe, THEN load the gun, and only then go protect your family.

lots and lots of gun owners do have gun safes....

how often do you hear of hundreds or thousands of AR-15 being stolen...

else do you have heard about this.. but your spreading fear and not facts...

Aparantly lots and lots of gun owners HAVE heard of criminals stealing guns. Not much point investing in a safe otherwise.

thomaswong.1986 says

New Renter says

Maybe, but how many owners DON'T keep their guns in a safe figuring - rightly - that keeping their gun in a safe is a hindrance to the very reason for having the damn thing in the first place? When a strung out meth addicted baby raper has broken into your home the last thing you want to do is try to remember the combination to your safe, THEN load the gun, and only then go protect your family.

lots and lots of gun owners do have gun safes....

how often do you hear of hundreds or thousands of AR-15 being stolen...

else do you have heard about this.. but your spreading fear and not facts...

Here's some facts for you then:

http://articles.courant.com/2012-12-20/community/hc-meriden-rifle-siezed-1221-20121220_1_rifle-30-round-magazines-ar-15

http://news.yahoo.com/police-ore-mall-shooter-used-stolen-rifle-181931596.html

http://www.stolenlostfound.org/stolen-lost-found-property-details-2032

http://www.stolenlostfound.org/stolen-lost-found-property-details-6695

http://gwinnett.patch.com/articles/reward-offered-in-theft-of-a-dozen-guns-aae5ae1c

http://www.fox16.com/news/story/Police-officers-stolen-AR-15-sold-multiple-times/ifyEtrpWeUiLxdApNYAfXQ.cspx

http://www.koat.com/news/new-mexico/albuquerque/AR-15-stolen-from-marked-police-car/-/9153728/17478892/-/kttw00z/-/index.html

http://joco913.com/news/police-recover-rifles-stolen-in-olathe-bass-pro-burglary/

http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=7&f=136&t=948006

http://www.armslist.com/posts/695303/columbia-south-carolina-rifles-for-sale--stolen-ar-15

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/12/24/3152055/miami-springs-police-teens-stole.html

http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/160295-Stolen-AR15-recovered-in-West-Springfield-hotel

http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=3472.0

http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/AR-15-SWAT-rifle-stolen-from-Tempe-officers-personal-car-136599793.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2683985/posts

http://3gn.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=954184

http://www.kentuckyarmoryclub.com/viewtopic.php?f=92&t=4215

http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=6&t=794537

http://www.topix.com/city/fort-lauderdale-fl/T7NVJU05TNTSJ9FI8

There are many, many more out there. What's REALLY scary is how many of these were stolen from the police!

dodgerfanjohn says

New Renter says

dodgerfanjohn says

LOL.

Wahhhhhhhh!

Waaahhhhhhhhhhhhh!

I'm afraid of inatimate objects.

Stand up be a man for once in your snively little life.

Great, then you won't mind if I come over and hide a live Claymore somewhere in your yard?

Hey, its only an inanimate object.

Ok. So long as my leg is tied to a string attached to the trigger on that AR-15 that's pointed directly at your head.

That is, so long as we are making equivalent comparisons.

Um, sure, OK.

I've always said ..... the most dangerous people are the self-haters
and Lindsey Graham will be a self-hater until he finally comes out.

zzyzzx says

121212 says

an AR-15 is a Human hunting rifle!

Considering how overpopulated we are, maybe this is a good thing.

There is no human dignity in this comment.

AR-15's aren't for home protection, they are for defending outside against large groups of people. For home protection you use a 12 gauge shotgun or handgun. Unless of course you live in a castle with very large rooms and stone walls so the bullets don't over penetrate and go into your neighbors house.

spoons says

zzyzzx says

121212 says

an AR-15 is a Human hunting rifle!

Considering how overpopulated we are, maybe this is a good thing.

There is no human dignity in this comment.

zzyzzx has no honor or dignity, he is plainly soulless..

Try saying something meaningfully appropriate to the thread subject Soft Ruki!

Instead of Trolling!

Your not capable are you.

Thousands of kids, and many more adults, die each year for petty conveniences:

Hairdryers, Can Openers, Electric Knives, Pools, Plastic Bags, Hot Dogs (#1 Choking Death Food for Children) , etc.

A few hundred dying because of a device that can save lives is paltry.

thunderlips11 says

Thousands of kids, and many more adults, die each year for petty conveniences:

Hairdryers, Can Openers, Electric Knives, Pools, Plastic Bags, Hot Dogs (#1 Choking Death Food for Children) , etc.

A few hundred dying because of a device that can save lives is paltry.

So why compare in the first place !? You are comparing accidents not MURDERS of elementary school children. What wrong with you?

121212 says

thunderlips11 says

Thousands of kids, and many more adults, die each year for petty conveniences:

Hairdryers, Can Openers, Electric Knives, Pools, Plastic Bags, Hot Dogs (#1 Choking Death Food for Children) , etc.

A few hundred dying because of a device that can save lives is paltry.

So why compare in the first place !? You are comparing accidents not MURDERS of elementary school children. What wrong with you?

Dead is dead, no?

A kid shot in the face by a mental illness sufferer is just as dead as the neighbor's kid who climbed the fence and drowned in the pool while everybody was at work, just so the Atkinsons could cool off on a summer day.

The Kid who drank the Fabric Softener is just as dead, because Mrs. Atkinson hated static cling and Mr. Atkinson loved the Fresh Rain smell.

The Kid who sliced their friend in half with the electric carving knife (stowed in an unlocked drawer in the kitchen) just so Mary Maplecrotch could cut her turkey meat in perfect proportional sizes.

thunderlips11 says

Dead is dead, no?

No. How insensitive can you be.

Some fool walks into a 1st grade class room and blows 20 kids away without reloading and you want to compare it to a child drinking fabric softer!

Get a life!

Soft Ruki, Your spamming my posts and your not welcome.

I don't get the insensitivity claim, going purely by the numbers.

Losing a kid to faulty wiring in the bathroom is no less tragic than to have him shot. Generally people have no control over either. Nobody wants their kids to play with the electric knife. "I just couldn't envision that happening" I'm sure many a parent told themselves.

The Insensitivity is on the part of the gun fetishizers. They are insensitive to the raw, hard, cold facts about the main causes of child deaths, and waste their time on the lesser causes of death.

thunderlips11 says

Losing a kid to faulty wiring in the bathroom is no less tragic than to have him shot

Thats an accident. Maybe you need an awakening. You cannot tell the difference between MDK and an accident?

121212 says

thunderlips11 says

Losing a kid to faulty wiring in the bathroom is no less tragic than to have him shot

Thats an accident. Maybe you need an awakening. You cannot tell the difference between MDK and an accident?

Let's see:

If you get shot in the face, you're dead

If you get electrocuted in the shower, you're dead.

If you drown in a pool, you're also dead.

If you drink too much Acetone, you're dead.

If you eat marbles too big for your throat, you're dead.

The shot in the face might be least painful of the five, likely being instant.

thunderlips11 says

Let's see:

If you get shot in the face, you're dead
If you get electrocuted in the shower, you're dead.
If you drown in a pool, you're also dead.

If you eat marbles too big for your throat, you're dead.

The shot in the face might be least painful of the four, likely being instant.

Your right, how did I not see it your way.

Perhaps you "also" are missing your soul, if you cannot honestly tell the difference between felony homicide and accident death.

121212 says

Perhaps you "also" are missing your soul, if you cannot honestly tell the difference between felony homicide and accident death.

And you fail to realize that losing a child in a car accident is no worse than losing one to a homicide.

Trust me, both sets of parents are equally upset, and both children are equally dead.

"Oh, my kid is deader than yours, he was shot instead of thrown out the windshield".

Thunderfool!

Shut the fuck up! and stop comparing fucking accidents that lead to deaths to MASS MDK!

Your heinous!

Since anything can potentially cause death, everything should be legal to own. Anything from a butter knife to Tomahawk missile launchers. You should be able to buy grenades, land mines, vials of anthrax, mercury laden toothpaste or unlabeled asbestos filled jackets from a store. There should also be zero government regulation for food and products safety. Furthermore, zoning laws should be abolished completely. Should you neighbors decide to sell their houses to a company wanting to build a coal plant right next to your house, they should have that right. If you are afraid of inanimate objects, you need your overly-paranoid head examined.

That chart should updated to include all firearm deaths. You shouldn't really compare only firearm homicides to most other things on that chart. That's comparing the major drivers of vehicle deaths (accidents) to a minority contributor to gun deaths (homicides.) I suppose the intent isn't really to inform, though.

Total firearm deaths are north of thirty thousand per year, which puts them on par with most other items on that chart. Firearm deaths would rank above drugs, which are illegal, and only a little below automobiles, which require licenses to operate. Laws get passed to hamper tobacco use all the time.

Perhaps guns should be regulated like cars? We could require prospective owners to pass tests and get licensed. Perhaps a psych test and a gun safety exam. That seems no more difficult than getting a driver's license.