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I haven't had the problem yet - but the floor mat attachments suck.

I wish someone with authority would tell Toyota that they should attach the floor mats with velcro - not those stupid plastic hooks that can't stay put.

Or maybe someone will invent some kind of after market attachment that works more like velcro and is easy for even the owner to install.

Zlxr says

I haven't had the problem yet - but the floor mat attachments suck.

I wish someone with authority would tell Toyota that they should attach the floor mats with velcro - not those stupid plastic hooks that can't stay put.

Or maybe someone will invent some kind of after market attachment that works more like velcro and is easy for even the owner to install.

I agree. Velcros or something that attaches it to the seat would work better.

The ultimate extortion. I'm surprised Jesse Jackson wasn't in on this....

AverageBear says

The ultimate extortion. I'm surprised Jesse Jackson wasn't in on this....

Wrong thread perhaps? What has Jesse Jackson got to do with Toyota cars spontaneously accelerating by itself on the freeway??

When I got my car - Toyota let me know it was a safety issue and replaced the missing plastic hooks that hold the mat.

However, one is continuously coming out and my mat does end up over there under the gas pedal and/or under the brake pedal.

So I periodically take it out and move it over. But that's not really the safest thing to do. So I will go check into seeing if I can anchor it with velcro loops that hang onto the metal seat bar. The trick is finding something that will actually stick onto the mat. I'll check into it more. I may have to get a whole new mat.

lostand confused says

Wrong thread perhaps? What has Jesse Jackson got to do with Toyota cars
spontaneously accelerating by itself on the freeway??

Extortion is the common denominator between Toyota's settlement, and Jesse Jackson. Other than the lame excuse of floor mats, there has been no proof of intended acceleration. Toyota though it would be easier to just throw up the $$ and get it over with.....What, you don't know Jesse Jackson's calling in life? Do you think Coca Cola gave Jesse's half-brother a syrup distributorship because he was a nice guy?..... It will take you two seconds to google "Jesse jackson coca cola"..... And the truth will set you free....

Carpet has all but been abandoned in homes for a reason, it's nasty nasty stuff. Cars should have come with a washable, hard floor surface a long time ago. Not the black rubberized rough textured stuff that came in trucks in the 80's but something more resilient and easier to clean by brushing and a quick wipe with a cloth.

CaptainShuddup says

Carpet has all but been abandoned in homes for a reason, it's nasty nasty stuff. Cars should have come with a washable, hard floor surface a long time ago.

I agree about cars but why homes? I really like residential carpeting, everywhere except kitchen and bath. As for cars, I don't know why anybody would want a floor mat anywhere near the pedals, and I agree that an easily washable surface would be much better at least for the driver's side.

Has anyone here been watching Toyota's stock price to see if this had any effect on it?

curious2 says

I agree about cars but why homes?

I did carpet for 15 years. Most new homeowners replacing their carpet for the first time. Were horrified what was under the carpet, and how dirty and discolored the jute backing was when I ripped up the old carpet. Regardless how new the carpet still looked on the top.
Ants bring in 100's pounds of sand under the padding, the oils from your feet collect and eventually make it to the backing. That is why carpet is black in high traffic areas. The Tackstrip busts up the slab around the perimeter of the room. As years go by, and the more frequently carpet gets replaced. Eventually there isn't anywhere to nail in the tack strip because of the pock marks left by the old carpet tacks, so they bring it back and start a new line of pot holes. Your pet might pee on the carpet and you never noticed but there are huge yellow stain on the underside.

People often said, had they known it looked that bad, they would have went with some hard floor instead.

I prefer a wood floor myself. Preferably a wood floor suspended off the ground on a wood framed house. The best floor in the world in my opinion. I never understood why assholes would carpet over them. Every time I showed up to carpet over wood floors it just felt wrong.

CaptainShuddup says

I never understood why....

Thanks for the information about what accumulates under carpet, and what (re)installation does to concrete floors. I don't have experience installing carpet onto a wood floor in a wood frame house, but I can explain why many people prefer carpet at least in other settings.

For elderly people, a fall onto a hard surface can be lethal. The prognosis for a broken hip is within 2yrs the patient has a 50% risk of either death or permanent hospitalization in a nursing home. Carpet can make the difference between a debilitating fracture and a mere bruise, so in those circumstances it can save lives.

Also an apartment building is like the inside of a guitar: anything striking a hard surface creates a sound that carries throughout the structure, and in some instances the structure can even amplify the sound. Upstairs/downstairs neighbor situations are notorious, sometimes escalating to violence. Carpet can be taped down, or installed into a wood layer on top of a concrete floor. It reduces impact noise by more than 90%, and ambient noise significantly also.

I can see how pet stains and slab damage could become significant problems, especially in a single family home, but my experience (without pets) replacing my own carpets is that they're fine underneath. On the other hand I also see landlords in multi-family buildings, that prohibit pets, tearing out carpet to replace it with hard flooring because it's cheaper to clean/re-surface a floor than to replace a carpet. The consequences in those circumstances include higher turnover, higher risk of neighbor disputes, and lower quality of life.

Back to the original topic: I hope the $1 billion payout might encourage car manufacturers to reconsider driver's side flooring and floor treatment. An easily washable surface is much better than a floating mat over carpet.

curious2 says

For elderly people, a fall onto a hard surface can be lethal. The prognosis for a broken hip is within 2yrs the patient has a 50% risk of either death or permanent hospitalization in a nursing home. Carpet can make the difference between a debilitating fracture and a mere bruise, so in those circumstances it can save lives.

I once had to do a carpet repair in the Diplomat towers on Hallendale beach(long since demolished), back in the day. The repair was in the carpeted vanity area near the bathroom of the Master bedroom. It seemed the occupant(this was a senior only building at the time) fell and hit his had on the vanity cabinet, landing face first in the carpet leaving a bloody imprint of his face. It almost look like the shroud of tunic.
Most seniors fall in the bathroom or shower.

CaptainShuddup says

Most seniors fall in the bathroom or shower.

I agree the bathroom is probably the highest risk area, but bedroom and stairs are also significant. Kitchens too, if little old ladies use stepladders to reach high cabinets.

curious2 says

but bedroom and stairs are also significant.

There's not enough padding in the world to soften a plunge down the stairs. They don't call them waterfall stairs for nothing.

zzyzzx says

Has anyone here been watching Toyota's stock price to see if this had any effect on it?

ZZ, I think Japan's gov't's "race to debase" will affect Toyota's worth, rather than the 1 billion in extortion they are willing to pay.